That is obstruction of justice to the definition.

'Like, with a cloth?'

Don't forget the Stonetear guy that went on Reddit and was asking people how to scrub names and data off of old emails for a 'very important client'










#nothingwillhappen

Precisely what "decision" Trump is referencing is unclear. But if the President is referring to Comey's ultimate decision not to recommend charges, Page's testimony does not show that former FBI Director James Comey "lied."

The former FBI director has explained at length why he did not believe there was a substantive case to be made against Clinton for her handling of classified information.

Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe also backed up Comey's account, further explaining in his book why the group of FBI officials involved agreed it was best to describe her conduct as "extremely careless," instead of the more legally damning phrase, "grossly negligent," since there was agreement that her conduct did not rise to an indictable offense.

Page makes clear in her testimony that Justice Department officials "did not feel they could sustain a charge" against Clinton, but that "nobody had a closed mind."

She does, however, also explain how other FBI officials nevertheless allegedly engaged in "smack talk" against Clinton.

"I am aware of senior FBI officials talking to subordinate FBI officials on the Hillary Clinton investigative team who unquestionably had anti-Hillary sentiment, but who also said: 'You have to get her, or again I don't have an exact quote but like we're counting on you, you know,'" Page testified CNN

"Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"

Never in a million years did these bureaucrats ever believe that Hillary Clinton would in fact....lose the general election to Donald Trump.

They were scared ****less they would all get fired ( or worse ) if they didn't play ball with soon to be President Clinton .

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Chuckle.

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"Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"

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That's one perspective but it was a hot political potato that no knew how to play without being partisan with one side or the other. But it's meaningless now. T is president.

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That is obstruction of justice to the definition.

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Actually it's not. TDS has blinded you.

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Chuckle?

You were throwing out daily conspiracy theory threads repeated from media friends for 2 years w/ no evidence. Here we actually have testimony (real evidence) from Trump hating Lisa page and this is all you can say?

LOL - thanks for confirming what we all already knew about you.

Saw Lindsey Graham explain this who is about to investigate the FISA debacle.


I would like one of our resident liberals to explain this was not a set up. Please try spin this somehow.

1. Bruce Ohr told the head of the investigation (McCabe & Others) you CAN NOT rely on this dossier because the author has a political agenda and hates Trump

2. With that knowledge they still asked for a warrant 4 different occasions on Carter Page and later admitted WITHOUT THE DOSSIER WE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOT THE WARRANT.

3. So After Trump wins - Comey gives Trump a copy of the Dossier and says I want you to know this is out there, we can't verify any of it though.

4. SO - Comey & McCabe signed off on the FISA warrant and told the court the Dossier was reliable when they knew it wasn't.


Mr. Comey - Mr. McCabe - you have the right to remain silent. That's called an 'insurance policy' and Mueller NEVER should have happened.

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Chuckle?

You were throwing out daily conspiracy theory threads repeated from media friends for 2 years w/ no evidence. Here we actually have testimony (real evidence) from Trump hating Lisa page and this is all you can say?

LOL - thanks for confirming what we all already knew about you.

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My threads came from credible news sources. It's true some were quotes, texts or you tubes of Donald Trump.
I don't know who John Ratcliff is.

I saw this on a "Law and Order" episode. In the first 15 minutes, Lenny Briscoe (Lisa Page), wants to charge the suspect with a crime. McCoy (the DOJ) says we don't have enough evidence.

VanBuren says "we've charged with less. If this were some homeboy, we'd charge".

Adam Schiff tells her "this isn't some homeboy". We need evidence. Go get some.

A Tommieatorial, "That's not obstruction". Obstruction is when Clinton says not to charge or investigate a crime for HER benefit. If crime were charged not based upon the evidence or the law but instead based upon the investigating officer's whim, we'd all be screwed.

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My threads came from credible news sources.

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Saw Lindsey Graham explain this who is about to investigate the FISA debacle.


I would like one of our resident liberals to explain this was not a set up. Please try spin this somehow.

1. Bruce Ohr told the head of the investigation (McCabe & Others) you CAN NOT rely on this dossier because the author has a political agenda and hates Trump

2. With that knowledge they still asked for a warrant 4 different occasions on Carter Page and later admitted WITHOUT THE DOSSIER WE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOT THE WARRANT.

3. So After Trump wins - Comey gives Trump a copy of the Dossier and says I want you to know this is out there, we can't verify any of it though.

4. SO - Comey & McCabe signed off on the FISA warrant and told the court the Dossier was reliable when they knew it wasn't.


Mr. Comey - Mr. McCabe - you have the right to remain silent. That's called an 'insurance policy' and Mueller NEVER should have happened.

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1) The part highlighted in bold literally never happened, that is a Fox News fever-dream at best. Ohr told the FBI that Steele was biased (against Russian spies and organized crime, but y'all never seem to acknowledge the connection between those entities and Trump that a career Russian espionage expert named Chris Steele saw...), not that his reports were couldn't be relied on.

2) McCabe testified that they wouldn't have known to look closer without the dossier, at no point has anyone except Nunes said that the Dossier was the sole basis for any warrants. Hell the declassified portion of the Carter Page FISA app made that abundantly clear, even though Nunes continues to lie about it to people he is certain don't know any better.

4) Is also a flat out lie. They told the court the Dossier was partisan oppo research, not FBI work-product, and there were literal pages of redacted sections that contained information obtained independently of the Dossier. Why do y'all continue to ignore that the re-applications require a showing of productivity to be granted? In other words, they uncovered enough evidence pertinent to the investigation for multiple judges (not Comey or McCabe or Yates) to grant 3 extensions! Not to mention Page's previous documented contacts with Russian spies! crazy coincidence I'm sure that multiple people who had pre-existing relationships with Russian asset-handlers ended up working for a campaign that took an inordinate amount of meetings with Russians during the election season.

For the 1000th time, the Trump campaign's leadership met in Trump Tower with Russian spies after being briefed by the FBI that Russians were interested in infiltrating the campaign. Not investigating further would have been stupidity of the highest order. Frankly, defending the Trump campaign's contacts with Russia is also very stupid, but there seems to be no shortage of Trump-supporters willing to step up to that plate.

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Saw Lindsey Graham explain this who is about to investigate the FISA debacle.


I would like one of our resident liberals to explain this was not a set up. Please try spin this somehow.

1. Bruce Ohr told the head of the investigation (McCabe & Others) you CAN NOT rely on this dossier because the author has a political agenda and hates Trump

2. With that knowledge they still asked for a warrant 4 different occasions on Carter Page and later admitted WITHOUT THE DOSSIER WE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOT THE WARRANT.

3. So After Trump wins - Comey gives Trump a copy of the Dossier and says I want you to know this is out there, we can't verify any of it though.

4. SO - Comey & McCabe signed off on the FISA warrant and told the court the Dossier was reliable when they knew it wasn't.


Mr. Comey - Mr. McCabe - you have the right to remain silent. That's called an 'insurance policy' and Mueller NEVER should have happened.

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1) The part highlighted in bold literally never happened, that is a Fox News fever-dream at best. Ohr told the FBI that Steele was biased (against Russian spies and organized crime, but y'all never seem to acknowledge the connection between those entities and Trump that a career Russian espionage expert named Chris Steele saw...), not that his reports were couldn't be relied on.

2) McCabe testified that they wouldn't have known to look closer without the dossier, at no point has anyone except Nunes said that the Dossier was the sole basis for any warrants. Hell the declassified portion of the Carter Page FISA app made that abundantly clear, even though Nunes continues to lie about it to people he is certain don't know any better.

4) Is also a flat out lie. They told the court the Dossier was partisan oppo research, not FBI work-product, and there were literal pages of redacted sections that contained information obtained independently of the Dossier. Why do y'all continue to ignore that the re-applications require a showing of productivity to be granted? In other words, they uncovered enough evidence pertinent to the investigation for multiple judges (not Comey or McCabe or Yates) to grant 3 extensions! Not to mention Page's previous documented contacts with Russian spies! crazy coincidence I'm sure that multiple people who had pre-existing relationships with Russian asset-handlers ended up working for a campaign that took an inordinate amount of meetings with Russians during the election season.

For the 1000th time, the Trump campaign's leadership met in Trump Tower with Russian spies after being briefed by the FBI that Russians were interested in infiltrating the campaign. Not investigating further would have been stupidity of the highest order. Frankly, defending the Trump campaign's contacts with Russia is also very stupid, but there seems to be no shortage of Trump-supporters willing to step up to that plate.

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So Lindsey Graham is lying? We will see as he's about to have senate investigations into the FISA warrants. Sit back and enjoy.

Again you ignoring the main point. They planted this dossier in the press and then turned around and used the 'article' as justification for the FISA not to mention using it to help start the Mueller investigation when they knew it wasn't true.

The Trump Tower meeting was a setup by the DNC who met with that 'Russian' before & after the meeting. Keep ignoring the real collusion with mounds of evidence. And of course they didn't know they were 'spies' for the DNC. Plus it's not a crime to meet with people about the opposing party, that's called politics.

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Chuckle?

You were throwing out daily conspiracy theory threads repeated from media friends for 2 years w/ no evidence. Here we actually have testimony (real evidence) from Trump hating Lisa page and this is all you can say?

LOL - thanks for confirming what we all already knew about you.

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My threads came from credible news sources. It's true some were quotes, texts or you tubes of Donald Trump.
I don't know who John Ratcliff is.

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Are you serious? www.google.com

Member of the judiciary committee, Homeland Security committee, Ethics committee, cybersecurity expert and was even considered for AG.

I still find it funny and sad and scary that they gave Hillary a pass before they had completed all their interviews including hers. But keep ignoring this corruption.

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Chuckle?

You were throwing out daily conspiracy theory threads repeated from media friends for 2 years w/ no evidence. Here we actually have testimony (real evidence) from Trump hating Lisa page and this is all you can say?

LOL - thanks for confirming what we all already knew about you.

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My threads came from credible news sources. It's true some were quotes, texts or you tubes of Donald Trump.
I don't know who John Ratcliff is.

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Are you serious? www.google.com

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The night cometh............

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We do know. Con. Ratcliffe just doesn't like the answer.

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Do you know what was said on the tarmac?

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Do you know what was said on the tarmac?

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I have no way of knowing what was discussed on the tarmac, but I do know the third paragraph to be true.

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Do you know what was said on the tarmac?

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I have no way of knowing what was discussed on the tarmac, but I do know the third paragraph to be true.

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Oh you know it? Well let's the DOJnknow and that will settle it. Thank God.

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Do you know what was said on the tarmac?

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I have no way of knowing what was discussed on the tarmac, but I do know the third paragraph to be true.

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You believe it to be true. You don't know it. That's a different thing altogether.

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Do you know what was said on the tarmac?

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I have no way of knowing what was discussed on the tarmac, but I do know the third paragraph to be true.

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You believe it to be true. You don't know it. That's a different thing altogether.

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This pretty much describes every post you have ever made.

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riflebear said:

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Saw Lindsey Graham explain this who is about to investigate the FISA debacle.


I would like one of our resident liberals to explain this was not a set up. Please try spin this somehow.

1. Bruce Ohr told the head of the investigation (McCabe & Others) you CAN NOT rely on this dossier because the author has a political agenda and hates Trump

2. With that knowledge they still asked for a warrant 4 different occasions on Carter Page and later admitted WITHOUT THE DOSSIER WE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOT THE WARRANT.

3. So After Trump wins - Comey gives Trump a copy of the Dossier and says I want you to know this is out there, we can't verify any of it though.

4. SO - Comey & McCabe signed off on the FISA warrant and told the court the Dossier was reliable when they knew it wasn't.


Mr. Comey - Mr. McCabe - you have the right to remain silent. That's called an 'insurance policy' and Mueller NEVER should have happened.

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1) The part highlighted in bold literally never happened, that is a Fox News fever-dream at best. Ohr told the FBI that Steele was biased (against Russian spies and organized crime, but y'all never seem to acknowledge the connection between those entities and Trump that a career Russian espionage expert named Chris Steele saw...), not that his reports were couldn't be relied on.

2) McCabe testified that they wouldn't have known to look closer without the dossier, at no point has anyone except Nunes said that the Dossier was the sole basis for any warrants. Hell the declassified portion of the Carter Page FISA app made that abundantly clear, even though Nunes continues to lie about it to people he is certain don't know any better.

4) Is also a flat out lie. They told the court the Dossier was partisan oppo research, not FBI work-product, and there were literal pages of redacted sections that contained information obtained independently of the Dossier. Why do y'all continue to ignore that the re-applications require a showing of productivity to be granted? In other words, they uncovered enough evidence pertinent to the investigation for multiple judges (not Comey or McCabe or Yates) to grant 3 extensions! Not to mention Page's previous documented contacts with Russian spies! crazy coincidence I'm sure that multiple people who had pre-existing relationships with Russian asset-handlers ended up working for a campaign that took an inordinate amount of meetings with Russians during the election season.

For the 1000th time, the Trump campaign's leadership met in Trump Tower with Russian spies after being briefed by the FBI that Russians were interested in infiltrating the campaign. Not investigating further would have been stupidity of the highest order. Frankly, defending the Trump campaign's contacts with Russia is also very stupid, but there seems to be no shortage of Trump-supporters willing to step up to that plate.

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1. Ohr told the FBI that Steele was desperate for Trump not to be elected. He didn't say Steele couldn't be relied on, but he did say the FBI would have to make that determination with Steele's possible bias in mind. The FBI lied when they told FISC they were unaware of any derogatory information about Steele.

2. There are only two disputed issues with regard to the Nunes memo. One is whether the dossier was an "essential" part of the application. We don't know the answer because much of the application is still classified, but it's clear that it was an important part. The other issue is whether McCabe told the committee they wouldn't have sought the warrant without it. We don't know this, either, because his testimony is also classified. Everything else in the Nunes memo is accurate. I lean toward trusting Nunes over McCabe on the disputed issues since he's the only one of the two who hasn't lied under oath recently.

4. The court was never told that the dossier was opposition research. The FBI said they "speculated" that Steele had been hired to find dirt on Trump. This was another lie, as there was absolutely no speculation involved. They knew exactly why he was hired and who hired him.

As for the Trump tower meeting, it took place in early June 2016. Trump wasn't briefed on the Russian threat until August 2016, more than two months later.

Hannity's "This is the end for the Deep State" rants remind me much of the mainstream news media and our own cingue's "This is the end for Donald Trump" claims. They are both getting very, very tiring. Big yawn. Nothing gonna happen. The status quo is very much intact.

I really think new AG William Barr does not have any balls just like his predecessor. I am not surprised. Have really not heard much from him.

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Hannity's "This is the end for the Deep State" rants remind me much of the mainstream news media and our own cingue's "This is the end for Donald Trump" claims. They are both getting very, very tiring. Big yawn. Nothing gonna happen. The status quo is very much intact.

I really think new AG William Barr does not have any balls just like his predecessor. I am not surprised. Have really not heard much from him.

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Barr has been around since the Reagan administration. I'd say him coming back protects the part of the deep state they want protected just like Lindsey Graham will steer his senate investigation away from any of McCain's shenanigans.