The Byzantines not the Arabs preserved most what what we know as Western history and philosophy.

https://larsbrownworth.com/blog/2010/03/25/who-preserved-classical-learning-the-byzantines-or-the-muslims/

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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'In the 1400s a Spanish scholar discovered ancient Arabic texts that saved Greek and Latin philosophy and science and Arabic astronomy and mathematics. He learned Arabic and translated the texts which became the texts for the Enlightenment and set us free from the dark ages.

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Its true. The Arabs saved Western civilization

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False again.

All the Ancient Greek texts where preserved in the Greek speaking orthodox Christian Byzantine empire.....which was not destroyed by the Muslims until 1453.

The ancient Latin texts where preserved in western monasteries. We have letters from Celtic monks in Ireland in the 700s quoting vigil and even Roman era dramas and plays.

A small number of Arab writers did re-popularize some of those texts much later on.

That's a far far cry from "saving western civ."


[The empire played a similar catalyst role in the Renaissance. Byzantine migrs traveled to the West and re-introduced the study of Greek classics, tutoring luminaries like Petrarch and Boccaccio in the process. Cosimo Medici was even so impressed by a lecture on Plato from a Byzantine scholar named Pletho, that he restarted the Academy in Florence. Obviously both the Renaissance and Arab thinkers pushed the frontiers of knowledge in ways that were independent of Byzantium, but neither would have been possible without Byzantine pens.]

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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contrario said:

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Both Tommie and 47 started a thread on the exact same topic within minutes of each other and both said they exact same words in the op ("I say yes"). Is this odd to anyone else? Are they on the same trolling email list and were just following instructions, or what. How else could we explain how two independent individuals started a thread on the same topic and used the exact same words in the first post of the thread. Odd

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I immediately apologized.

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No, you need to explain yourself, not apologize.
You too, tommie.
Because right now, you two appear to be frauds*.

*Edit: not suggesting this is the first time

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^^^ ...... and, Crickets!!!

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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contrario said:

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Both Tommie and 47 started a thread on the exact same topic within minutes of each other and both said they exact same words in the op ("I say yes"). Is this odd to anyone else? Are they on the same trolling email list and were just following instructions, or what. How else could we explain how two independent individuals started a thread on the same topic and used the exact same words in the first post of the thread. Odd

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I immediately apologized.

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No, you need to explain yourself, not apologize.
You too, tommie.
Because right now, you two appear to be frauds*.

*Edit: not suggesting this is the first time

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Explain what? Frauds in what way?

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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In the 1400s a Spanish scholar discovered ancient Arabic texts that saved Greek and Latin philosophy and science and Arabic astronomy and mathematics. He learned Arabic and translated the texts which became the texts for the Enlightenment and set us free from the dark ages.

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Its true. The Arabs saved Western civilization

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False again.

All the Ancient Greek texts where preserved in the Greek speaking orthodox Christian Byzantine empire.....which was not destroyed by the Muslims until 1453.

The ancient Latin texts where preserved in western monasteries. We have letters from Celtic monks in Ireland in the 700s quoting vigil and even Roman era dramas and plays.

A small number of Arab writers did re-popularize some of those texts much later on.

That's a far far cry from "saving western civ."

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Read again

Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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In the 1400s a Spanish scholar discovered ancient Arabic texts that saved Greek and Latin philosophy and science and Arabic astronomy and mathematics. He learned Arabic and translated the texts which became the texts for the Enlightenment and set us free from the dark ages.

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Its true. The Arabs saved Western civilization

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False again.

All the Ancient Greek texts where preserved in the Greek speaking orthodox Christian Byzantine empire.....which was not destroyed by the Muslims until 1453.

The ancient Latin texts where preserved in western monasteries. We have letters from Celtic monks in Ireland in the 700s quoting vigil and even Roman era dramas and plays.

A small number of Arab writers did re-popularize some of those texts much later on.

That's a far far cry from "saving western civ."

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Read again

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again waco.........educate yourself.

https://larsbrownworth.com/blog/2010/03/25/who-preserved-classical-learning-the-byzantines-or-the-muslims/


The idea that the arabs invented zero is totally wrong.........its made up........a lie.........period.

Some arab writers and thinkers did help preserve some aspects of the West's literary and scientific history. But far more of a contribution was made by Western monasticism and the massive library collections preserved by the Orthodox Christian Byzantine Empire in Constantinople.

Stop distorting history to try and make it look like the arabs saved Western civ.

https://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html

non-islamic India is the birthplace of the modern concept of Zero.

No serious historian or mathematician doubts that.

"According to Nils-Bertil Wallin of Yale, by the year 773, zero reached Baghdad where it became part of the Arabic number system, which is based upon the much older Indian system."

quash said:

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GolemIII said:

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The Hindu who created the numerals that the Arabs culturally appropriated sure was smart.

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It's genius: the number of angles equals the number represented.

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Would be really cool if it were true. Unfortunately, it's not.

http://www.goodmath.org/blog/2015/07/21/arabic-numerals-have-nothing-to-do-with-angle-counting/

FormerFlash said:

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quash said:

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GolemIII said:

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The Hindu who created the numerals that the Arabs culturally appropriated sure was smart.

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It's genius: the number of angles equals the number represented.

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Would be really cool if it were true. Unfortunately, it's not.

http://www.goodmath.org/blog/2015/07/21/arabic-numerals-have-nothing-to-do-with-angle-counting/

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Aw man.

I did Susan Wise Bauer

^^^ He's drunk again

I don't know much about ancient cultures, but thought arab/muslim medicine was a precursor to modern medicine

bularry said:

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I don't know much about ancient cultures, but thought arab/muslim medicine was a precursor to modern medicine

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They did some good work but it was all based on Greek, Roman, and Persian discoveries.

Really no one did much (or could do much) until Antony Leeuwenhoek discovered bacteria n the late 1670s,

The Greeks and Persians got really good at surgery.....problem was post-op infections that killed the patient.