Praying for people's eyes to be opened to the reality of abortion.

Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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Canada2017 said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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Child support laws should include "dads" of all kinds. Consequences for undisciplined behavior by men should be legally put upon their shoulders. Help make a baby - you have to support its upbringing whether you want to or not. Refuse? Get tossed into a work prison.

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Canada2017 said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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Child support laws should include "dads" of all kinds. Consequences for undisciplined behavior by men should be legally put upon their shoulders. Help make a baby - you have to support its upbringing whether you want to or not. Refuse? Get tossed into a work prison.

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That would be a start. But even if a man contributes his fair share economically, he is free to live his live as he sees fit. A woman has a day-to-day responsibility.

The logical response is "adoption." If the Supreme Court completely guts Roe v. Wade, I will be interested to see the impact on the adoption process.

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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1. No one has the right to impregnate a woman. If she doesn't want to deal with the consequences, then she needs to take the bill before or after...and yes, the man should be held responsible.

2. While I am in favor of abortion in cases of rape, why should rape cost an innocent life? And again, rapists should be castrated, IMO

For the record, about 5% of abortions are from rape.

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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For the record, about 5% of abortions are from rape.

These figures are from Guttmacher, who is the authority on statistical occurance of rape.

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Percentage
Reason

<0.5%Victim of rape

3% Fetal health problems

4% Physical health problems

4% Would interfere with education or career

7% Not mature enough to raise a child

8% Don't want to be a single mother

19% Done having children

23% Can't afford a baby

25% Not ready for a child

6% Other

Just wanted to make sure these aligned properly.

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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Forest Bueller said:

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Booray said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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Too far

Would interfere with education or career
7%
Not mature enough to raise a child
8%
Don't want to be a single mother
19%
Done having children
23%
Can't afford a baby
25%
Not ready for a child
6%


So 82% of abortions are basically "muh i just can't be bothered with this thing so let me kill it"

This is why at the very least abortion should be drastically reduced and regulated.

You don't get to kill a living person because they are an inconvenience.

Especially when the State and other individuals stand ready to step up and take care of the child.

Booray said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Booray said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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evangelicals are not the only ones who oppose child killing.

Also, why should a little female girl child be killed because her father is a rapist? Is she somehow guilty of his crime?

I can totally understand a woman not wanting to raise the child of her rapist......but she should give the child over to the State or to an adopted family.......not murder it.

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Booray said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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evangelicals are not the only ones who oppose child killing.

Also, why should a little female girl child be killed because her father is a rapist? Is she somehow guilty of his crime?

I can totally understand a woman not wanting to raise the child of her rapist......but she should give the child over to the State or to an adopted family.......not murder it.

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I agree that a viable child should never be aborted, but if Alabama wishes to head in the right direction, to not include an exception for rape, which is statistically less than one half of 1% of abortions, is a mistake. With absolutely no incremental step, this will not stand up in court.

Do I pray and hope that one day the average person sees the value and inherent worth of every single child conceived. Of course I do. But, where we are right now, to go from abortion on demand, to no exception for even a rape victim, will not stand.

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Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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This is a succinct summation of what the whole "freedom of choice" position is really all about, which is the belief that people (males and females) should have the "freedom" to indiscriminately have sex without consequences, even if the avoidance of consequences means taking another human being's life. It is at the top of the list of shameful consequences that ultimately resulted from the so-called "sexual revolution" of the late 60's and early 70's.

The physical, emotional and financial burden of pregnancy, childbirth and adoption or child-rearing fall on women in a way that is wildly disproportionate to men.

If you want to reduce abortions, fix that problem. Far fewer women will want abortions.

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Forest Bueller said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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Actually, had The New Extreme Liberal Left just left well enough alone and not literally celebrated laws legalizing the killing of newborn children (i.e., New York and Virginia), none of this would have gotten this far. Most moral Americans are now WOKE and are saying "enough".

Redbrickbear said:

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Would interfere with education or career
7%
Not mature enough to raise a child
8%
Don't want to be a single mother
19%
Done having children
23%
Can't afford a baby
25%
Not ready for a child
6%


So 82% of abortions are basically "muh i just can't be bothered with this thing so let me kill it"

This is why at the very least abortion should be drastically reduced and regulated.

You don't get to kill a living person because they are an inconvenience.

Especially when the State and other individuals stand ready to step up and take care of the child.

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I didn't line up the percentages properly, seems more like 92%.

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Booray said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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Actually, had The New Extreme Liberal Left just left well enough alone and not literally celebrated laws legalizing the killing of newborn children (i.e., New York and Virginia), none of this would have gotten this far. Most moral Americans are now WOKE and are saying "enough".

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You are just flat wrong about the NY and Virginia laws.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addressing-new-yorks-new-abortion-law/

Forest: "With absolutely no incremental step, this will not stand up in court. "

I rather cynically think that was on purpose. The court has an easy reason to kill the bill, and the politicians get to blame the courts.

Abortion is one of those issues where people often let emotions override reason, and politicians really don't want to do anything that significantly changes things, because elections.

As a result, no one wins, not the mothers who need help and support, not the fathers who have no legal standing in regard to their own children, and certainly not the babies whose lives depend on the whim of whether or not they are convenient.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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Wrong state. That's a few miles east in Georgia, and Charlie Daniels got it for them without having to sell anything.

I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

I would hazard to guess the number is greater than 0.

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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Get them pregnant young and keep them until they're 18

-Roy Moore

Redbrickbear said:

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Would interfere with education or career
7%
Not mature enough to raise a child
8%
Don't want to be a single mother
19%
Done having children
23%
Can't afford a baby
25%
Not ready for a child
6%


So 82% of abortions are basically "muh i just can't be bothered with this thing so let me kill it"

This is why at the very least abortion should be drastically reduced and regulated.

You don't get to kill a living person because they are an inconvenience.

Especially when the State and other individuals stand ready to step up and take care of the child.

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Seems like made up numbers. You left off "talked into it by the father" who... (I met at church, was married, was willing to pay, wasn't ready, didn't want the responsibility)

Also left of the fetus wasn't viable.

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I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

I would hazard to guess the number is greater than 0.

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Think Slick Willie paid for some?

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Forest: "With absolutely no incremental step, this will not stand up in court. "

I rather cynically think that was on purpose. The court has an easy reason to kill the bill, and the politicians get to blame the courts.

Abortion is one of those issues where people often let emotions override reason, and politicians really don't want to do anything that significantly changes things, because elections.

As a result, no one wins, not the mothers who need help and support, not the fathers who have no legal standing in regard to their own children, and certainly not the babies whose lives depend on the whim of whether or not they are convenient.

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Yep.

Make themselves look good to their ardent supporters knowing full well it has no chance to pass and all blame is put on the courts while the Alabama legislators hail themselves as proponents for life, who were unjustly overruled.

That is the cynical viewpoint, and as I age I look at politicians with a very cynical eye, because they have well earned it.

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I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

I would hazard to guess the number is greater than 0.

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Think Slick Willie paid for some?

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It wouldn't surprise me if he did. But he was in favor of choice so I don't see the blatant hypocrisy there. I just wonder how you reconcile that, a man who not 10 years ago was raw dogging a porn star while his wife is home with a newborn...has likely funded a handful of abortions, but you perhaps voted for him and would again.

While we are at the comparison game, I bet Obama paid for 0, yet the sight of him likely infuriates you.

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Forest: "With absolutely no incremental step, this will not stand up in court. "

I rather cynically think that was on purpose. The court has an easy reason to kill the bill, and the politicians get to blame the courts.

Abortion is one of those issues where people often let emotions override reason, and politicians really don't want to do anything that significantly changes things, because elections.

As a result, no one wins, not the mothers who need help and support, not the fathers who have no legal standing in regard to their own children, and certainly not the babies whose lives depend on the whim of whether or not they are convenient.

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Yep.

Make themselves look good to their ardent supporters knowing full well it has no chance to pass and all blame is put on the courts while the Alabama legislators hail themselves as proponents for life, who were unjustly overruled.

That is the cynical viewpoint, and as I age I look at politicians with a very cynical eye, because they have well earned it.

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You guys have it backwards. The abortion rights activists drafted the bill and made the strategy calls. The politicians are doing exactly what their supporters want them to do,

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/abortion-law-alabama.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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Actually, had The New Extreme Liberal Left just left well enough alone and not literally celebrated laws legalizing the killing of newborn children (i.e., New York and Virginia), none of this would have gotten this far. Most moral Americans are now WOKE and are saying "enough".

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You are just flat wrong about the NY and Virginia laws.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addressing-new-yorks-new-abortion-law/

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It appears to me, Sir, you did not take the time to read your own link.

Should Roe vs. Wade be overturned, the decision on abortion will simply go back to the individual states. It will not be the end of the world and "the destruction of women's healthcare" as the Lefties keep proclaiming. Might mean taking a road trip to New York, Illinois, or California. It will just make abortion much more difficult and inconvenient for some, which in my opinion is a good thing. Abortion should not be as easy as buying a Pepsi at the convenience store on the corner. Human life should be taken much more seriously.

the alabama law makes it illegal to leave the state for an abortion.

in most every poll you can find, the majority of Americans do not support an all out ban on Abortion.

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Booray said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Will be surprised if the Alabama governor signs the anti abortion bill into law.

Would be shocked if the Supreme Court then overturned Roe vs Wade

Too many folks demand the 'right' to undisciplined behavior free of inconvenient consequences.

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Like the right to impregnate a women and then leave her to deal with the consequences?

The Alabama GOP consciously decided not to include a rape/incest exclusion. How is a rape victim guilty of "undisciplined behavior?"

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That was a very big mistake if you ask me.

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The evangelicals have sold their soul to the devil; they want the golden fiddle.

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Actually, had The New Extreme Liberal Left just left well enough alone and not literally celebrated laws legalizing the killing of newborn children (i.e., New York and Virginia), none of this would have gotten this far. Most moral Americans are now WOKE and are saying "enough".

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You are just flat wrong about the NY and Virginia laws.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addressing-new-yorks-new-abortion-law/

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It appears to me, Sir, you did not take the time to read your own link.

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This is what I was referring to:

Modern abortion techniques do not result in live birth; however, in the great unlikelihood that a baby was born alive, the medical provider and team of medical support staff would provide all necessary medical care, as they would in the case of any live birth," he wrote in an email. "The RHA does not change standard medical practices. To reiterate, any baby born alive in New York State would be treated like any other live birth, and given appropriate medical care. This was the case before the RHA, and it remains the case now

What are you referring to?

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the alabama law makes it illegal to leave the state for an abortion.

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Yep. Alabama has let their position on abortion be known. Just like New York, Virginia, and Georgia.