you dont find it suspicious that Trumps people denied it? The infamous "they" has accused them of suspious activity and trumps people denied it so its true!ValhallaBear said:Why are you getting so emotional?HuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:It was engaged..you just ignored itHuMcK said:Sam Lowry said:Rampant, indeed. So rampant that after three years of non-stop investigation we're still looking for any sign of it.HuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
Still waiting for anyone to actually engage with the substance of the report instead of unrelated deflections...
I genuinely try not to insult people online without provocation, but holy sh/t you present yourself as being shockingly stupid sometimes. I asked why Trump's sycophantic supporters on here (e.g. you) treat this subject like it's radioactive by avoiding it, and to dispute that you produce some of the generic corporate PR speak from Deutsche and the Trump Org? You would have looked less dumb posting one of your gif memes instead to be honest.
You are relying on a NYT article for your report...neither of us has the data...Trump's people categorically deny it...what exactly are you looking for?
Somebody's opinion that you agree with?
Suspicions of Money Laundering
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Huck, campaign violations like O had? Or the new congresswoman AOC? Whatever...
Speaking of Christopher Steele, care to explain the concerns that were flagged in a typed memo and in handwritten notes taken by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec on Oct. 11, 2016?HuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
It is important to note that the FBI swore on Oct. 21, 2016, to the FISA judges that Steele's "reporting has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings" and the FBI has determined him to be "reliable" and was "unaware of any derogatory information pertaining" to their informant, who simultaneously worked for Fusion GPS, the firm paid by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Clinton campaign to find Russian dirt on Trump.
In her typed summary, Kavalec wrote that Steele told her the Russians had constructed a "technical/human operation run out of Moscow targeting the election" that recruited emigres in the United States to "do hacking and recruiting."
She quoted Steele as saying, "Payments to those recruited are made out of the Russian Consulate in Miami," according to a copy of her summary memo obtained under open records litigation by the conservative group Citizens United. Kavalec bluntly debunked that assertion in a bracketed comment: "It is important to note that there is no Russian consulate in Miami."
Kavalec, two days later and well before the FISA warrant was issued, forwarded her typed summary to other government officials. The State Department has redacted the names and agencies of everyone she alerted. It is unlikely that her concerns failed to reach the FBI.
I am shocked! Huck told me that steele was one of the best in the investigation business. How could he have made such a simple clerical error as using the wrong location of the consulate?!Doc Holliday said:Speaking of Christopher Steele, care to explain the concerns that were flagged in a typed memo and in handwritten notes taken by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec on Oct. 11, 2016?HuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
It is important to note that the FBI swore on Oct. 21, 2016, to the FISA judges that Steele's "reporting has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings" and the FBI has determined him to be "reliable" and was "unaware of any derogatory information pertaining" to their informant, who simultaneously worked for Fusion GPS, the firm paid by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Clinton campaign to find Russian dirt on Trump.
In her typed summary, Kavalec wrote that Steele told her the Russians had constructed a "technical/human operation run out of Moscow targeting the election" that recruited emigres in the United States to "do hacking and recruiting."
She quoted Steele as saying, "Payments to those recruited are made out of the Russian Consulate in Miami," according to a copy of her summary memo obtained under open records litigation by the conservative group Citizens United. Kavalec bluntly debunked that assertion in a bracketed comment: "It is important to note that there is no Russian consulate in Miami."
Kavalec, two days later and well before the FISA warrant was issued, forwarded her typed summary to other government officials. The State Department has redacted the names and agencies of everyone she alerted. It is unlikely that her concerns failed to reach the FBI.
DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
Gruvin said:
Huck, campaign violations like O had? Or the new congresswoman AOC? Whatever...
Obama's campaign (not the candidate) was assessed a civil fine for missing a filing deadline, so no not like that at all. Trump personally directed his attorney to carry out an illegal scheme whereby the origin of funds used to pay a campaign expense was deliberately concealed through dummy corps.
What they will wont be able to defend is that they never presented evidence to the FISA court.
They never contacted Trumps campaign.
They didn't verify the dossier. It's connections to Clinton. All because they were aware and were trying to hide this information.
Also they had literal spies set traps for low level campaign staff in order to justify the narrative. It's circular. It's parallel construction.
It's all coming to light. Give it a few days and the most damning information will hit: unreleased transcripts involving former Trump aide George Papadopoulos reveal that he denied there was an illegal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia and that intelligence officials did not present that information to the FISA court.
They never contacted Trumps campaign.
They didn't verify the dossier. It's connections to Clinton. All because they were aware and were trying to hide this information.
Also they had literal spies set traps for low level campaign staff in order to justify the narrative. It's circular. It's parallel construction.
It's all coming to light. Give it a few days and the most damning information will hit: unreleased transcripts involving former Trump aide George Papadopoulos reveal that he denied there was an illegal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia and that intelligence officials did not present that information to the FISA court.
ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
Sam Lowry said:Rampant, indeed. So rampant that after three years of non-stop investigation we're still looking for any sign of it.HuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
Quote:
By Tom Winter
The FBI has released 71 pages of what it describes as correspondence between the bureau and Christopher Steele, the former British spy who authored a dossier alleging collusion between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia.
The heavily redacted records show FBI payments to Steele as a Confidential Human Source (CHS) over an unknown period. They also show that Steele told the FBI he had informed a third party he was acting as a CHS for the bureau, and that the FBI determined Steele had been a source for an online article.
On Nov. 1, 2016, according to the documents, the FBI told Steele it was unlikely to continue working with him, and he should not "obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI."
The records also indicate that in February 2016 the FBI "admonished" Steele. A federal law enforcement official explains that an admonishment is typically given when a person begins a stint as a confidential informant and annually thereafter. It is a briefing on the rules of being an informant to ensure the source complies with guidelines set by the Attorney General, and usually not criticism of the source.
Because of the redactions, it is not possible to tell when payments to Steele began, but it has previously been reported that he assisted the FBI with past investigations, including a probe of corruption in international soccer.
Absolutely no potential conflict of interest here.
Wake the hell up!HuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background.
Obama's NSA spied. Obama's IRS targeted Conservatives. Obama's administration laundered billions and shipped it to Iran. Obama's administration lied about Benghazi. Obama behaved just like you leftists love: a community organizer who operated his country like a Banana Republic. The common element of failed states and socialist countries across the planet.
The last thing he did was ordering spy traps, surviellance, illegal leaks against a campaign, President elect, and then President. He wanted to know everything:
You're entire narrative is breaking down. There are holes all over the place.
Best stock up on booze, you're going to need it.
It is literally a non story. There is no traction on this at all. Just another in a long line of NYT failHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
You are acting like this is a coffin nail
You are an IDIOT
You seem awful anxious to change the subject and talk about anything but the OP...
There's no there there with your OP.HuMcK said:
You seem awful anxious to change the subject and talk about anything but the OP...
You need to wake up.
so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
Those felony allegations are dubious at best. Trump is really the one in the Catch-22. Mueller had options. He didn't forego prosecution because of DOJ guidelines. He was scrambling at the last minute for a reason to explain why he didn't do his job. If he thought charges were appropriate, he could have issued sealed indictments or recommended that Congress take up the issue of charging a sitting president. Instead he smeared the suspect without giving him a day in court. What really tipped Mueller's hand was his annoyance at Barr and the media coverage of the report. That's a blatantly political concern, not a prosecutorial one.HuMcK said:Sam Lowry said:Rampant, indeed. So rampant that after three years of non-stop investigation we're still looking for any sign of it.HuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
They've already found felony campaign finance violations and Obstruction of Justice, along with hints of various financial fraud schemes and now a banks own internal investigator was quietly pushed aside after flagging suspicious transactions, but sure "no evidence" or whatever.
It's quite the convenient Catch-22 y'all have set up for Trump now: he's not a criminal until he's charged and convicted, but a sitting POTUS cannot be charged with a crime, so therefore to Trump's sycophants there's no sign of any criminality.
Still waiting for anyone to actually engage with the substance of the report instead of unrelated deflections...
As for the substance of this report, I don't remember a day since 2016 when someone hasn't been airing "suspicions" about Trump. They've turned out to be groundless time and again. If this disgruntled employee who sued her former employer and got fired from DB turns out to be the real deal, I guess we'll hear about it.
Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
TALK ABOUT MY OP!!!111
Stop using terms you clearly do not understand. Investigating POTUS for crimes is a violation of the Constitution, attorney client privilege, and ethics (as if this administration cared a lick for ethics) now? Give me a break. That may make you sound smart to the other right-wing idiots here in this forum, but in real life it does the opposite. Meanwhile, Republicans want to punish people for an having the audacity to start an investigation that implicated Republicans, which is exactly the kind of thing the ruling party in a so called "banana republic" would do to keep a hold on power.Doc Holliday said:Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
Allegations are not crimes.HuMcK said:Stop using terms you clearly do not understand. Investigating POTUS for crimes is a violation of the Constitution, attorney client privilege, and ethics (as if this administration cared a lick for ethics) now? Give me a break. That may make you sound smart to the other right-wing idiots here in this forum, but in real life it does the opposite. Meanwhile, Republicans want to punish people for an having the audacity to start an investigation that implicated Republicans, which is exactly the kind of thing the ruling party in a so called "banana republic" would do to keep a hold on power.Doc Holliday said:Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
Tell me, why didn't they tell the FISA courts Hillary paid for the Dossier? Why didn't they tell the courts that the guy who wrote it was in his own words "desperate to get Trump"? Why didn't they tell them about all the holes in the story?
Can you answer these questions?
The entire special counsel found ZERO evidence for what the investigation was supposed to be about: Trump colluding. Why did that happen?
They did tell the court that it was politically motivated research (as shown by both Nunes' and Schiff's competing memos), they didn't specify that it was from Dems specifically because a) IDs are protected and that would be improper unmasking and b) the specifics don't really matter to the court and c) it would have been pretty obvious without being stated. They didn't include Steele's statement because it isn't pertinent information whatsoever to include in a warrant, and anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.Doc Holliday said:Allegations are not crimes.HuMcK said:Stop using terms you clearly do not understand. Investigating POTUS for crimes is a violation of the Constitution, attorney client privilege, and ethics (as if this administration cared a lick for ethics) now? Give me a break. That may make you sound smart to the other right-wing idiots here in this forum, but in real life it does the opposite. Meanwhile, Republicans want to punish people for an having the audacity to start an investigation that implicated Republicans, which is exactly the kind of thing the ruling party in a so called "banana republic" would do to keep a hold on power.Doc Holliday said:Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
Tell me, why didn't they tell the FISA courts Hillary paid for the Dossier? Why didn't they tell the courts that the guy who wrote it was in his own words "desperate to get Trump"? Why didn't they tell them about all the holes in the story?
Can you answer these questions?
The entire special counsel found ZERO evidence for what the investigation was supposed to be about: Trump colluding. Why did that happen?
And I'll never stop reminding that Manafort is in prison because of his election-related dealings with Kilimnik. Just because Mueller couldn't bring it all the way home to Trump's doorstep does not mean there was "ZERO evidence" like you pretend.
Edit: not that it matters to you I'm sure, but James Baker (former FBI General counsel) has stated unequivocally that the Page warrant was sound with or without the Steele info.
If there is a single piece of false or faulty information in the dossier, and it was purposely ignored...people are going to prison.
You and the intel community have 4 questions you need to answer:
1.) Kavalec's log of her meeting with Steele, she corrected his "intel," writing: "It is important to note that there is no Russian consulate in Miami."
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
2.) Kavalec's meeting notes prove that Steele lied to the FBI and that the FBI, in turn, lied to the FISA court. The FISA application stated that Steele "told the FBI that he/she only provided [the results of his research] to [his] business associate and the FBI." But in her notes, Kavalec wrote that in "Junereporting started," and the "NYT and WP have," indicating both The New York Times and The Washington Post had Steele's research. Kavalec also added that Steele said he was "managing" four priorities"Client needs, FBI, WashPo/NYT, source protection."
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
3.) Kavalec documents in her notes, Steele stated that his client was "keen" that his anti-Trump research be made public before Election Day. This detail further illustrates the purely political nature of Steele's supposed intel
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
4.) Kavalec's notes from her meeting with Steele expose the FBI's failure to conduct even a rudimentary screening of Steele's supposed intel before relying on it in the FISA application. In her talk with Steele, her notes say he identified two Russians involved in the hacking scandal: Mikhail Kalugin and Andrey Bondarev. Steele claimed that Kalugin was quickly pulled out of the United States in the summer of 2016 and replaced with Bondarev. So what did Kavalec do with this information? Did she take Steele at his word? No, she checked "DHS electronic records" to determine when the individuals entered and left the country!
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
Shortly after her meeting with Steele, Kavalec emailed the FBI, Kavalec forwarded some details about her conversation with Steele to her FBI contact, who in turn "immediately forwarded the information he received about Steele on Oct. 13, 2016, to the FBI team leading the Trump-Russia investigation, headed by then-fellow Special Agent Peter Strzok."
We may not know for some time exactly what Kavalec told her FBI contact, but frankly, it doesn't matter. Once the FBI knew Steele had spoken with Kavalec, agents should have reached out to Kavalec to learn the full extent of her conversation with Steele. That conversation would have established that Steele had misled the FBI and that his intel was not reliable and should not be included in the FISA application. In other words, the DOJ and FBI abused the FISA court system.
You and the intel community have 4 questions you need to answer:
1.) Kavalec's log of her meeting with Steele, she corrected his "intel," writing: "It is important to note that there is no Russian consulate in Miami."
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
2.) Kavalec's meeting notes prove that Steele lied to the FBI and that the FBI, in turn, lied to the FISA court. The FISA application stated that Steele "told the FBI that he/she only provided [the results of his research] to [his] business associate and the FBI." But in her notes, Kavalec wrote that in "Junereporting started," and the "NYT and WP have," indicating both The New York Times and The Washington Post had Steele's research. Kavalec also added that Steele said he was "managing" four priorities"Client needs, FBI, WashPo/NYT, source protection."
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
3.) Kavalec documents in her notes, Steele stated that his client was "keen" that his anti-Trump research be made public before Election Day. This detail further illustrates the purely political nature of Steele's supposed intel
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
4.) Kavalec's notes from her meeting with Steele expose the FBI's failure to conduct even a rudimentary screening of Steele's supposed intel before relying on it in the FISA application. In her talk with Steele, her notes say he identified two Russians involved in the hacking scandal: Mikhail Kalugin and Andrey Bondarev. Steele claimed that Kalugin was quickly pulled out of the United States in the summer of 2016 and replaced with Bondarev. So what did Kavalec do with this information? Did she take Steele at his word? No, she checked "DHS electronic records" to determine when the individuals entered and left the country!
This was flagged, why was this either ignored or not shown to the FISA court?
Shortly after her meeting with Steele, Kavalec emailed the FBI, Kavalec forwarded some details about her conversation with Steele to her FBI contact, who in turn "immediately forwarded the information he received about Steele on Oct. 13, 2016, to the FBI team leading the Trump-Russia investigation, headed by then-fellow Special Agent Peter Strzok."
We may not know for some time exactly what Kavalec told her FBI contact, but frankly, it doesn't matter. Once the FBI knew Steele had spoken with Kavalec, agents should have reached out to Kavalec to learn the full extent of her conversation with Steele. That conversation would have established that Steele had misled the FBI and that his intel was not reliable and should not be included in the FISA application. In other words, the DOJ and FBI abused the FISA court system.
Manafort is in prison for dealings with Kilimnik related to unregistered foreign lobbying and witness tampering. The charges had nothing to do with the election.HuMcK said:They did tell the court that it was politically motivated research (as shown by both Nunes' and Schiff's competing memos), they didn't specify that it was from Dems specifically because a) IDs are protected and that would be improper unmasking and b) the specifics don't really matter to the court and c) it would have been pretty obvious without being stated. They didn't include Steele's statement because it isn't pertinent information whatsoever to include in a warrant, and anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.Doc Holliday said:Allegations are not crimes.HuMcK said:Stop using terms you clearly do not understand. Investigating POTUS for crimes is a violation of the Constitution, attorney client privilege, and ethics (as if this administration cared a lick for ethics) now? Give me a break. That may make you sound smart to the other right-wing idiots here in this forum, but in real life it does the opposite. Meanwhile, Republicans want to punish people for an having the audacity to start an investigation that implicated Republicans, which is exactly the kind of thing the ruling party in a so called "banana republic" would do to keep a hold on power.Doc Holliday said:Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
Tell me, why didn't they tell the FISA courts Hillary paid for the Dossier? Why didn't they tell the courts that the guy who wrote it was in his own words "desperate to get Trump"? Why didn't they tell them about all the holes in the story?
Can you answer these questions?
The entire special counsel found ZERO evidence for what the investigation was supposed to be about: Trump colluding. Why did that happen?
And I'll never stop reminding that Manafort is in prison because of his election-related dealings with Kilimnik. Just because Mueller couldn't bring it all the way home to Trump's doorstep does not mean there was "ZERO evidence" like you pretend.
Edit: not that it matters to you I'm sure, but James Baker (former FBI General counsel) has stated unequivocally that the Page warrant was sound with or without the Steele info.
YepHuMcK said:Gruvin said:
Huck, campaign violations like O had? Or the new congresswoman AOC? Whatever...
Obama's campaign (not the candidate) was assessed a civil fine for missing a filing deadline, so no not like that at all. Trump personally directed his attorney to carry out an illegal scheme whereby the origin of funds used to pay a campaign expense was deliberately concealed through dummy corps.
Waco1947 ,la
Sam Lowry said:Manafort is in prison for dealings with Kilimnik related to unregistered foreign lobbying and witness tampering. The charges had nothing to do with the election.HuMcK said:
They did tell the court that it was politically motivated research (as shown by both Nunes' and Schiff's competing memos), they didn't specify that it was from Dems specifically because a) IDs are protected and that would be improper unmasking and b) the specifics don't really matter to the court and c) it would have been pretty obvious without being stated. They didn't include Steele's statement because it isn't pertinent information whatsoever to include in a warrant, and anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
And I'll never stop reminding that Manafort is in prison because of his election-related dealings with Kilimnik. Just because Mueller couldn't bring it all the way home to Trump's doorstep does not mean there was "ZERO evidence" like you pretend.
Edit: not that it matters to you I'm sure, but James Baker (former FBI General counsel) has stated unequivocally that the Page warrant was sound with or without the Steele info.
If he had cooperated with Mueller and told the whole truth about Kilimnik instead of stonewalling, there's a good chance that he would have recieved an even lighter sentence than he got and wouldn't be in prison now. Rick Gates is a free man, for instance.
Except Manafort and dt were in the same room all the time talking - campaign managers have unusually good communication with the candidate, generally. dt chose him so it was worth a look.Sam Lowry said:Manafort is in prison for dealings with Kilimnik related to unregistered foreign lobbying and witness tampering. The charges had nothing to do with the election.HuMcK said:They did tell the court that it was politically motivated research (as shown by both Nunes' and Schiff's competing memos), they didn't specify that it was from Dems specifically because a) IDs are protected and that would be improper unmasking and b) the specifics don't really matter to the court and c) it would have been pretty obvious without being stated. They didn't include Steele's statement because it isn't pertinent information whatsoever to include in a warrant, and anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.Doc Holliday said:Allegations are not crimes.HuMcK said:Stop using terms you clearly do not understand. Investigating POTUS for crimes is a violation of the Constitution, attorney client privilege, and ethics (as if this administration cared a lick for ethics) now? Give me a break. That may make you sound smart to the other right-wing idiots here in this forum, but in real life it does the opposite. Meanwhile, Republicans want to punish people for an having the audacity to start an investigation that implicated Republicans, which is exactly the kind of thing the ruling party in a so called "banana republic" would do to keep a hold on power.Doc Holliday said:Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
Tell me, why didn't they tell the FISA courts Hillary paid for the Dossier? Why didn't they tell the courts that the guy who wrote it was in his own words "desperate to get Trump"? Why didn't they tell them about all the holes in the story?
Can you answer these questions?
The entire special counsel found ZERO evidence for what the investigation was supposed to be about: Trump colluding. Why did that happen?
And I'll never stop reminding that Manafort is in prison because of his election-related dealings with Kilimnik. Just because Mueller couldn't bring it all the way home to Trump's doorstep does not mean there was "ZERO evidence" like you pretend.
Edit: not that it matters to you I'm sure, but James Baker (former FBI General counsel) has stated unequivocally that the Page warrant was sound with or without the Steele info.
Waco1947 ,la
You know that was a collateral issue.HuMcK said:
If he had cooperated with Mueller and told the whole truth about Kilimnik instead of stonewalling, there's a good chance that he would have recieved an even lighter sentence than he got and wouldn't be in prison now. Rick Gates is a free man, for instance.
The dealings in question took place before he was campaign manager.Waco1947 said:Except Manafort and dt were in the same room all the time talking - campaign managers have unusually good communication with the candidate, generally. dt chose him so it was worth a look.Sam Lowry said:Manafort is in prison for dealings with Kilimnik related to unregistered foreign lobbying and witness tampering. The charges had nothing to do with the election.HuMcK said:They did tell the court that it was politically motivated research (as shown by both Nunes' and Schiff's competing memos), they didn't specify that it was from Dems specifically because a) IDs are protected and that would be improper unmasking and b) the specifics don't really matter to the court and c) it would have been pretty obvious without being stated. They didn't include Steele's statement because it isn't pertinent information whatsoever to include in a warrant, and anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.Doc Holliday said:Allegations are not crimes.HuMcK said:Stop using terms you clearly do not understand. Investigating POTUS for crimes is a violation of the Constitution, attorney client privilege, and ethics (as if this administration cared a lick for ethics) now? Give me a break. That may make you sound smart to the other right-wing idiots here in this forum, but in real life it does the opposite. Meanwhile, Republicans want to punish people for an having the audacity to start an investigation that implicated Republicans, which is exactly the kind of thing the ruling party in a so called "banana republic" would do to keep a hold on power.Doc Holliday said:Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
Ho Lee Phuc
I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
Tell me, why didn't they tell the FISA courts Hillary paid for the Dossier? Why didn't they tell the courts that the guy who wrote it was in his own words "desperate to get Trump"? Why didn't they tell them about all the holes in the story?
Can you answer these questions?
The entire special counsel found ZERO evidence for what the investigation was supposed to be about: Trump colluding. Why did that happen?
And I'll never stop reminding that Manafort is in prison because of his election-related dealings with Kilimnik. Just because Mueller couldn't bring it all the way home to Trump's doorstep does not mean there was "ZERO evidence" like you pretend.
Edit: not that it matters to you I'm sure, but James Baker (former FBI General counsel) has stated unequivocally that the Page warrant was sound with or without the Steele info.
Material evidence that implicates DtSam Lowry said:The dealings in question took place before he was campaign manager.Waco1947 said:Except Manafort and dt were in the same room all the time talking - campaign managers have unusually good communication with the candidate, generally. dt chose him so it was worth a look.Sam Lowry said:Manafort is in prison for dealings with Kilimnik related to unregistered foreign lobbying and witness tampering. The charges had nothing to do with the election.HuMcK said:They did tell the court that it was politically motivated research (as shown by both Nunes' and Schiff's competing memos), they didn't specify that it was from Dems specifically because a) IDs are protected and that would be improper unmasking and b) the specifics don't really matter to the court and c) it would have been pretty obvious without being stated. They didn't include Steele's statement because it isn't pertinent information whatsoever to include in a warrant, and anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.Doc Holliday said:Allegations are not crimes.HuMcK said:Stop using terms you clearly do not understand. Investigating POTUS for crimes is a violation of the Constitution, attorney client privilege, and ethics (as if this administration cared a lick for ethics) now? Give me a break. That may make you sound smart to the other right-wing idiots here in this forum, but in real life it does the opposite. Meanwhile, Republicans want to punish people for an having the audacity to start an investigation that implicated Republicans, which is exactly the kind of thing the ruling party in a so called "banana republic" would do to keep a hold on power.Doc Holliday said:Do you even realize what you're advocating for?HuMcK said:Not really sure what you think that last sentence is supposed to prove. It's happened to me 3 times and every time the bank contacted me they were correct that my credentials had been stolen...Gruvin said:so Supposition is corooberated by more supposition so that makes it a fact? WhateverHuMcK said:ValhallaBear said:DuuuuuudeHuMcK said:Gruvin said:probably not the best source material... fusion GPS? Really? Ask Glen Simpson if he ready to stop pleading fifth about the steele dossier? SMHHuMcK said:
It's not even like these suspicions are brand new either...
Glenn Simpson is a professional investigator who heads up a highly respected oppo research firm. I get why Republicans don't like them these days (otherwise they might have to admit that their orange messiah is less than perfect), but Fusion GPS didn't get where they are by just making things up. Chris Steele is also a career professional investigator, with specific expertise in Russian espionage and crime. So the word of both men carries some weigh by itself. That said, this new report of internal Duetsche Bank investigators flagging suspicious transactions is something called "corroboration", and if I were Trump it would make me very nervous.
Also can't help but notice that still noone has attempted to actually deal with or spin the substance of the report. One chant of "fake news" and a little circle-jerking is evidently all y'all need to dismiss rampant criminality in a POTUS...
I didn't even see this...you're hanging your hat on the credibility of Simpson/Fusion GPS and Steele?????
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I'm not hanging my hat on anything, but if you're asking me who has more credibility between Donald Trump and almost literally anyone else, like most Americans I'm gonna pick against Trump on that one.
To be clear, this latest NYTimes story has nothing to do with Steele. It's main source is a former Deutsche Bank employee who is named and on the record, along with other anonymous sources on background. It just so happens that Trump has been previously accused (by Steele, Glenn Simpson, et al) of money laundering for years now. This new corroborating evidence kind of bolsters those previous accusations, almost as if those professional investigators weren't making that up...
So when the bank cancels your debit card for suspicious activity, that means it happened right?
An SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) isn't proof of anything, but it certainly warrants further investigation (probably why Trump is suing prevent compliance with Congressional subpoenas of his financial records...), and it means that the investigators who previously saw signs of money-laundering activity in Trump's financial past were't so crazy after all.
Even Bannon knew where Trump's liability was all the way back in 2017, btw; "This is all about money laundering," Wolff quotes Bannon saying. "Their path to fcking Trump goes right through Paul Manafort, Don Jr. and Jared Kushner." For good measure he added, "It's as plain as a hair on your face."
Violating the Constitution, right to privacy, attorney client privilege, ethics etc. all on grounds of baseless accusations.
All while simultaneously screeching about attacks on our democracy.
Go move to a Banana republic, you'll love it.
Tell me, why didn't they tell the FISA courts Hillary paid for the Dossier? Why didn't they tell the courts that the guy who wrote it was in his own words "desperate to get Trump"? Why didn't they tell them about all the holes in the story?
Can you answer these questions?
The entire special counsel found ZERO evidence for what the investigation was supposed to be about: Trump colluding. Why did that happen?
And I'll never stop reminding that Manafort is in prison because of his election-related dealings with Kilimnik. Just because Mueller couldn't bring it all the way home to Trump's doorstep does not mean there was "ZERO evidence" like you pretend.
Edit: not that it matters to you I'm sure, but James Baker (former FBI General counsel) has stated unequivocally that the Page warrant was sound with or without the Steele info.
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