Yep. It's all about leverage.Canada2017 said:
Trump understands economic power .
Many people don't .
I'd much rather sacrifice in the short term to tackle a long term problem which has much worse consequences.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Actually, this is something our President and Mexico's President should have done without any economic threat. In the old days, we used to call it diplomacy.Doc Holliday said:I'd much rather sacrifice in the short term to tackle a long term problem which has much worse consequences.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Not everything is about money. It's our governments duty to protect it's citizens.
I agree, but we both know that ain't happening.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Actually, this is something our President and Mexico's President should have done without any economic threat. In the old days, we used to call it diplomacy.Doc Holliday said:I'd much rather sacrifice in the short term to tackle a long term problem which has much worse consequences.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Not everything is about money. It's our governments duty to protect it's citizens.
The U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate need to get off their sorry asses and make an effort to fix this problem. Neither body seems to give a ***** Trump can't fix this by himself.
RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
I do not 'like' tariffs, but I recognize the purpose and need.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
There are two ways to get the same result.Oldbear83 said:I do not 'like' tariffs, but I recognize the purpose and need.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
You obviously think there is a unicorn somewhere which magically fixes these things.
You are correct that we will again disagree.
Obviously you and Donald Trump think that taxing Americans is a "weapon in our arsenal". I don't believe it should be.Oldbear83 said:
RD2: "It is called diplomacy."
I don't care what name you give your unicorn, the fact that nothing has been done to address the problem for literally decades means it was already overdue for us to use different weapons in our arsenal.
Tariffs worked fine for the US for a very long time, going back to George Washington himself.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Obviously you and Donald Trump think that taxing Americans is a "weapon in our arsenal". I don't believe it should be.Oldbear83 said:
RD2: "It is called diplomacy."
I don't care what name you give your unicorn, the fact that nothing has been done to address the problem for literally decades means it was already overdue for us to use different weapons in our arsenal.
Option A sounds sweet, except when they say "No" and their inaction is hurting the U.S. In such cases, I like Option B.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:There are two ways to get the same result.Oldbear83 said:I do not 'like' tariffs, but I recognize the purpose and need.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
You obviously think there is a unicorn somewhere which magically fixes these things.
You are correct that we will again disagree.
DONALD TRUMP: "President Obrador. Would you please be so kind to bring me a cerveza out of the fridge?"
or
DONALD TRUMP: "Hey A s shole. Get your ass up and bring me a beer or I am going to whip your ass!"
In the end, you get the same result but just go about it in a different way. It is not called a unicorn. It is called diplomacy. In my opinion, this newest tariff stunt was unnecessary drama, but I am pleased with the result.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
After the Trump administration, our elected politicians will have a new weapon. They can just package and present new taxes as "tariffs". Americans hate taxes. They cost George H. Bush his second term for President. New tariffs are a sure fire way to increase tax revenue since most everybody,(even Republicans) seem to just love them.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
For the record, I am all for enhanced interrogation and waterboarding. I don't think we use them enough. To say the argument against tariffs is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation is kinda like saying Elizabeth Warren will win the Democratic nomination because zebras have black and white stripes. One really has nothing to do with the other.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
Debbie Downer, ladies and gentlemen. She will be here posting as RD2 through January 2025.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:After the Trump administration, our elected politicians will have a new weapon. They can just package and present new taxes as "tariffs". Americans hate taxes. They cost George H. Bush his second term for President. New tariffs are a sure fire way to increase tax revenue since most everybody,(even Republicans) seem to just love them.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
It's not that cinque has created new fake personas, it's more than some people put their personal desires ahead of good of the country, and cannot accept that President Trump means what he says about addressing threats to America.Florda_mike said:
As a result of past catches of Cinque socks, I now find myself questioning newfound anti-Trumpers on this site and others
Right now I'm questioning Aliceinbubble and RD2
It might be wrong but we're dealing with a lowlife in this
Cinque/Jinx/Quash/etc character
Actionable BS is still BS.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
I don't know which of these statements is more perplexing - that tariffs are new or that everyone loves them.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:After the Trump administration, our elected politicians will have a new weapon. They can just package and present new taxes as "tariffs". Americans hate taxes. They cost George H. Bush his second term for President. New tariffs are a sure fire way to increase tax revenue since most everybody,(even Republicans) seem to just love them.GolemIII said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Interesting that you think hating tariffs is un-American. You missed my point. You don't beat the crap out of the cat when the dog poops on the living room floor.Oldbear83 said:RD2's grandad, June 6 1944:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mexico, you either stem the flow of illegal immigrants or I am going to tax the Hell out of the American people so all of your stuff is more expensive!!!"
Actually, DOC, the American people are winners with NO tariffs.
"This invasion is just crazy. It's going to kill lots of Americans and cost I don't know how much in money we could be using for jobs in the US!"
Once again, tariffs are a tax on the American people and American companies. I do not like them. You do. We will once again agree to disagree.
The argument against tariffs (as applied by Trump) is similar to the argument against enhanced interrogation. The naysayers claim the latter doesn't work because it only yields false confessions...when it's not confessions it's intended to yield, but actionable intelligence. The former is denigrated because long term use of tariffs under the guise of protectionism is bad (and it is) but that's not what short term targeted tariffs are being used for.
The tariffs you hate are straw men. Trump uses them to hurt foreign opponents in the short run and, like it or not, they work extraordinarily well in the short run for that purpose.
Oldbear83 said:It's not that cinque has created new fake personas, it's more than some people put their personal desires ahead of good of the country, and cannot accept that President Trump means what he says about addressing threats to America.Florda_mike said:
As a result of past catches of Cinque socks, I now find myself questioning newfound anti-Trumpers on this site and others
Right now I'm questioning Aliceinbubble and RD2
It might be wrong but we're dealing with a lowlife in this
Cinque/Jinx/Quash/etc character
One thing I am very glad to see, is how Trump resists the use of military force as his first option, something Obama, Bush and Clinton did not do.