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cinque said:

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Canada2017 said:

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cinque said:

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The only really bad decision Francis made was going along with the idea to fast track JPII's canonization. A person who allowed the most prodigious sexual predator in the history of the modern church to abuse with impunity Is nobody's saint

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I torn about this because I believe that we'll never know how much JPII knew. I want to believe that he was aware of the situation; however, he was misled by people he trusted.

At best, he was naive and didn't understand the scope. At worst, he directly covered up the situation. I choose not to believe the worst.

As I mentioned earlier, two miracles have been directly attributed to his intercession. That definitely means that JPII is in heaven, therefore, a saint.

Many a sinner has become a saint.

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John Paul fought against the Nazis and helped Reagan free Poland and East Germany from the communists .

In addition John Paul helped and inspired millions of people throughout the world .

One life extremely well spent .

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He knew and punted to his successor to actually laicize the worst abuser in Church history just because of his prodigious fund raising capability:

A report from the Legionaries of Christ a Catholic order championed by Pope John Paul II has found that 175 minors were abused by priests since its inception, a third of whom were abused by notorious founder Marcel Maciel.
Key points:

• The order said the abuse happened over decades since its founding in 1941
• Pope John Paul II's secretary of state has resigned as dean of the college of cardinals
• Critics say the report is mere 'whitewashing' and does not reflect the true scale of abuse

When Maciel wasn't abusing seminarians he was raping women, fathering children and abusing some of his own children. JPII knew and did nothing:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-23/legionaries-of-christ-catholic-child-abuse-report-marcel-maciel/11824296

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I don't believe anything you post . You remain little more than virulent hater .

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You're a Russicans. You don't like facts.

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Your managers are a racist nut cases and only hope to destroy the reputation of a great man .

While hiding behind their little bot .

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I don't have any managers. Not surprised you won't criticize JP II's inaction. You're a Russican.

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You have 2 managers both here and other message boards though sometimes one or both cut in on the auto response and post .

Cynical way to spread propaganda but the internet attracts all kinds of bizarre mediocrities.

Without ever visiting Pat Neff, McLane, Floyd Casey, 2 Minnies, or George's, Cinque is an outsider getting 8 cents a post.

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Without ever visiting Pat Neff, McLane, Floyd Casey, 2 Minnies, or George's, Cinque is an outsider getting 8 cents a post.

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

2. There is a young man about your age that posts on this board and several other political boards. He often cuts and pastes posts he finds on other boards and presents them here as his own udeas. He isnt a Baylor grad.

3. There is a Techster whose posts are so predictable its humerous. He wants to imprison people that dont vote like him and wishes they would all get cancer. He has told real Baylor men, including Baylor football heros, that they are the cause of America's problems and need to go somewhere else.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

Do you really think George Soros or Satan would pay anyone to post on a board with 20 active posters? I can understand an ag or tech guy thinking this but you are a young man with a Baylor education.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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This isn't the first time he has brought me up just the most recent example. He has a fixation most likely because my political views don't align with his.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ScottS said:

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Without ever visiting Pat Neff, McLane, Floyd Casey, 2 Minnies, or George's, Cinque is an outsider getting 8 cents a post.

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

2. There is a young man about your age that posts on this board and several other political boards. He often cuts and pastes posts he finds on other boards and presents them here as his own udeas. He isnt a Baylor grad.

3. There is a Techster whose posts are so predictable its humerous. He wants to imprison people that dont vote like him and wishes they would all get cancer. He has told real Baylor men, including Baylor football heros, that they are the cause of America's problems and need to go somewhere else.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

Do you really think George Soros or Satan would pay anyone to post on a board with 20 active posters? I can understand an ag or tech guy thinking this but you are a young man with a Baylor education.

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Funny how this shining example of intelligence presents that only Baylor grads are intelligent enough to comprehend something

LIQ, how has your life been such a great example of a winner in life? Just 3 examples of how you've created anything that's made the world better. You are nothing but all about YOU is all I've noticed about you and that, IMO, is a loser in life

LMAO

quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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Well, tell this to LIQ, you dummy!

BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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This isn't the first time he has brought me up just the most recent example. He has a fixation most likely because my political views don't align with his.

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Gets it

Where LIQ is clueless and childish

Maybe you should give this one a rest, Florda.

You're making LIQR's point for him, by the way.

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Maybe you should give this one a rest, Florda.

You're making LIQR's point for him, by the way.

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Seriously? If that's the case, do you actually believe YOU never make his point YOURSELF?

Geez

Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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Well, tell this to LIQ, you dummy!

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That was LIQ's point to begin with, genius.

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Pope says Christians should never seek to convert unbelievers, anyone who proselytizes "is not a disciple of Jesus"

In a dialogue with Catholic high school students in Rome this weekend, Pope Francis responded to a question about how to deal with atheists and people of other faiths by saying that Christians should never proselytize and any who do are not truly Christians.

The Pope's lengthy answer, reprinted in full at the bottom of this article, contained numerous notable remarks illustrating the Pope's views on evangelism, including:

• [Speaking of having Jewish and Muslim friends]: "We are all the same, all children of God."
• "It didn't occur to me, and it doesn't have to be like, saying to a boy or a girl: 'You are Jewish, you are Muslim: come, be converted!'"
• "We are not in the times of the crusades."
• "In front of an unbeliever the last thing I have to do is try to convince him. Never."
• "But listen: Never, never bring the gospel by proselytizing."
• "If someone says they are a disciple of Jesus and comes to you with proselytism, they are not a disciple of Jesus."
• "The Church does not grow by proselytism."

Last year, Pope Francis told a grieving boy that his late father was in heaven, despite the fact that he was an atheist, because he had his children baptized.

The pope's full answer (via Google translate):

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Let's go to your first. When I taught what a look and what words I had towards believing children or of other religions. But in Argentina there is a social phenomenon, which is the migratory phenomenon. After the two great wars there were waves of migration from Europe, also from Asia Minor and the Italians. He thinks that 40% of Argentines have an Italian surname, almost the other 40 Spanish. Then Poles, Russians, all ... even Arabs, whom we called "Turks" because they came with the passport of the great Ottoman Empire. There is a mixture of blood, a strong mixed race in Argentina I am the son of a migrant, and this has made a culture of coexistence. I went to public school and we always had companions from other religions. We were educated to coexist: "There is a Jew, Russian, ah come, come! I am a friend of Russian!" They said Russian because the majority of the Jews came from Odessa, some from Poland but the majority from Odessa. Then there were some Arabs, Lebanese, Syrians "Ah, Turkish! Come, come!" This was Muslim, this was Jewish. But we all played football together, we were all friends.

This has taught me so much, that we are all the same, all children of God and this purifies your gaze, it makes you human. In Argentina there is a small group of closed-minded Catholics who do not want Jews, do not want Muslims, but this group ... I have never liked it, is a group that is on the fringe, they have a cultural magazine but they do not have impact in society ... This is the secret: You must be consistent with your faith. It didn't occur to me and it doesn't have to be like saying to a boy or a girl: "You are Jewish, you are Muslim: come, be converted!" You be consistent with your faith and that consistency is what will make you mature. We are not in the times of the crusades. It is a bad thing but it made me suffer so much, a step of the "Chanson de Roland," when the Christians, the crusaders had conquered the Muslims and then a line of all the Muslims was queued and the priest was in front of it and a soldier. The priest in front of the baptismal font and everyone came read that passage he asked: "Either the baptism or the sword." This has happened in history! They also do it with us Christians in other parts, they are also doing it but what we did was shameful because it is a story of forced conversion, of not respecting the dignity of the person. This is why my experience was natural with people of other religions because my dad my dad's job was an accountant and he had so many Jewish business clients and they came home, it was normal and I didn't have this as a problem. But it must be normal. Nothing to leave them aside because they have another faith ...

The first is all. In front of an unbeliever the last thing I have to do is try to convince him. Never. The last thing I have to do is speak. I have to live consistent with my faith. And it will be my testimony to awaken the curiosity of the other who says: "But why do you do this?" And yes, I can speak then. But listen: Never, never bring the gospel by proselytizing. If someone says they are a disciple of Jesus and comes to you with proselytism, they are not a disciple of Jesus. Proselytism is not done, the church does not grow by proselytism. Pope Benedict had said it, it grows by attraction, by testimony. Football teams proselytize, this can be done. Political parties, can be done there. But with faith there is no proselytism. And if someone says to me: "But why?" Read, read, read the Gospel, this is my faith. But without pressure.

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article: https://disrn.com/news/pope-says-christians-should-never-try-to-convert-unbelievers-anyone-who-proselytizes-is-not-a-disciple-of-jesus

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Here is another take on the Pope's words. --Taken from The Catholic Herald.

The answer, it turned out, hung on a single word: proselytism. The Pope was speaking to priests, religious and leaders of other Christian communities in the Moroccan capital Rabat. His audience serves in an overwhelmingly Muslim country whose criminal code prohibits conversion from Islam to Christianity. It was in this context that Francis made the following remarks:
"Our mission as baptized persons, priests and consecrated men and women, is not really determined by the number or size of spaces that we occupy, but rather by our capacity to generate change and to awaken wonder and compassion. We do this by the way we live as disciples of Jesus, in the midst of those with whom we share our daily lives, joys and sorrows, suffering and hopes. In other words, the paths of mission are not those of proselytism. Please, these paths are not those of proselytism!"
The confusion perhaps arose because the Pope did not offer a definition of proselytism. In the New Testament, the Greek word proselytos referred to a 1st-century convert to Judaism. Later the Anglicised word "proselyte" came to mean a convert in general. "Proselytism" was therefore the act of making converts, and that is how most Catholics understand it today.
The problem is that, following Vatican II, the word has changed its meaning in theological circles. It is now considered a pejorative term. In an article for the Catholic News Agency last year, Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Paterson, New Jersey, explained the new definition as follows: "This meaning includes using any type of pressure to convert someone, whether it is moral, political or economic. It means caricaturing with unfair criticism the beliefs of others."
It is true that Pope Francis has a fondness for neologisms and startling turns of phrase, but he didn't invent the new meaning of proselytism. In his address in Morocco, he quoted his predecessor, Benedict XVI, as saying that "the Church grows not through proselytism, but through attraction, through witness". That is an accurate paraphrase of a homily that Benedict gave at the Brazilian shrine of Aparecida in 2007.
Put simply, when Church leaders speak of proselytism, they mean a mission that seeks power and influence rather than the salvation of souls.

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I think this is probably a better translation. The pope is not saying that people should quit trying to convert others, rather he is saying use this method, not that one (proselytising).

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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Well, tell this to LIQ, you dummy!

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That was LIQ's point to begin with, genius.

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My post was about your 2nd sentence, genius/dummy

BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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This isn't the first time he has brought me up just the most recent example. He has a fixation most likely because my political views don't align with his.

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Did I mention you or do you see yourself in my post?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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This isn't the first time he has brought me up just the most recent example. He has a fixation most likely because my political views don't align with his.

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Did I mention you or do you see yourself in my post?

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You own these guys. You've been making Independent conservative minded choices since you were 15 with compassion for the poor children and adults. You aren't looking for a hero to latch on and live vicariously some PT Barnum politician. Funny to watch these guys try to throw down on you.

There's a bunch of non Baylor posters polluting the board.

Excellent post TMD.

xiledinok said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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This isn't the first time he has brought me up just the most recent example. He has a fixation most likely because my political views don't align with his.

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Did I mention you or do you see yourself in my post?

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You own these guys. You've been making Independent conservative minded choices since you were 15 with compassion for the poor children and adults. You aren't looking for a hero to latch on and live vicariously some PT Barnum politician. Funny to watch these guys try to throw down on you.

There's a bunch of non Baylor posters polluting the board.

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You're disrespecting the many Baylor posters that pollute the board!

Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Scott, we have met and have had mutual friends. You knw I am real and I know you are real. My questions is how you seperate those you claim are outsiders and those that are not. Do you think your opinion is skewed by political beliefs?

1. There is a TCU poster that posts the same thread starters on at least two college boards (this one and Killer Frogs). He often starts a thread and if he doesnt get a rsponse he just answers his own poats. Sometimes he is responsible for nearly half the threads started on the first page. Since he started on the frog page I assume he is a TCU grad.

There are a slew of non Baylor posters here that have never gone to Showtime or Two Minnies or Georges or Pat Neff or the quad or the other Baylor landmarks that get free passes here only because they echo the majority.

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Lol, you are obsessed with me again. For some reason, you refuse to accept that I also went to Baylor. I guess because it would discredit your claim of trying to say I don't belong here. Funny how you are now talking the opposite tack in this thread for cinque.

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He mentions several posters. It's not all about you.

and the larger point is that ideology trumps alma mater.

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Well, tell this to LIQ, you dummy!

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That was LIQ's point to begin with, genius.

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My post was about your 2nd sentence, genius/dummy

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Yes, Exactly. LIQR's point, the one you somehow think I need to be telling him, the one he came up with. Jeebus.