The Democrats Miss the Meaning by Peggy Noonan

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" a nonstop hum of grievance at the convention. "

The Democrats Miss the Meaning
Their convention was marked by a sense of grievance, but voters need to know what they'll do.

To be fair in critiquing certain public events you have to be like a judge in the Olympics and factor in degree of difficulty. No one had ever done a Zoom convention before, so no one knew how to do it. Should there be a host each night? Should it be an earnest actress? Does that make us look shallow? Do we want to look shallow?
What hadn't been done before was done rather poorly, with high schlock content. You got the impression no one creative or daring was authorized to be either. It has been compared to a telethon, an infomercial, and fundraising week on public television. Marianne Williamson said it was "like binge watching a Marriott commercial." Mostly it was the Democratic Party talking to itself and playing to its base.
Missing was any hint of priorities or plans, of the meaning of the party or its intentions. They made the case against Donald Trump, and a case for Joe Biden as an essentially decent person. But they didn't say what they'll do. And this year that is key.
I'm not sure they're sufficiently aware of two things. One is the number of people who don't like Mr. Trump and will vote for him anyway. They don't have to be talked into thinking he's a bad character, they're already on board.

All summer I've been running into two kinds of people. One kind says, "That man is a living shame on our country and must be removed." The other kind says very little. They don't defend him. They say, "I can't believe I may vote for him, but . . ." And always they explain it this way: "What the other guys are gonna do on taxes," "What the other guys will do to my industry," "What the Democrats will do to the economy."
I'm getting the impression that for a lot of people, the ballot this fall won't read "Trump vs. Biden" but "Trump vs. What the Other Guys Will Do."
Do the Democrats understand how hunkered-down many people feel, psychologically and physically, after the past six months? If I asked this right now of a convention planner or participant I think they'd say, "Yes, people feel battered by systemic bias, inequality, and climate change." And I'd say no, they're afraid of foreclosures! They're afraid of a second wave, no schools, more shutdowns, job losses and suddenly the supply lines break down this winter and there are food shortages.
When this is the context, what a great party plans to do couldn't be more crucial.
To the speeches:
Barack Obama's speech will stick in history; it won't just slide away. No former president has ever publicly leveled anything like this criticism at a sitting successor: "I did hope, for the sake of our country, that Donald Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously, that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care. But he never did. For close to four years now, he has shown no interest in putting in the work."
This is a former president calling the current one shallow and lazy. He also suggested he's greedy and intellectually incapable. Unprecedented? Yes. Unjustified? No, alas. And I'm not seeing Trump supporters rise up in indignant defense. They know it's true, too.

Kamala Harris achieved complete adequacy. I can't remember anything she said without referring to notes, so she gets no quotes. She's a natural performer of politics and good at acting out warmth and joy, but she did something that they're all doing more and more, which involves a husky catch in the voice as if they're so sincere, so moved by what they're saying, that their throats constrict for a moment. Mr. Obama did it. Michelle Obama did it a lot. Panelists will soon do it on cable news. Please everyone, stop.
As for Mr. Biden, all his political life he's tried to express himself in ways he thinks eloquent but that tend to be only long-winded. He chases a thought a long way, even when it's a small one and not worth the hunt. All of this is part of his old-school way and is neither harmful nor helpful. But he had a strong, tight speech. He looked good, spoke crisply, maintained focus. The speech is going to do him some significant good. Though he didn't make his plans and intentions clear.
Two small thoughts I'll try not to chase too far:
First, Democratic Party professionals are funny about policy. They take it seriously but don't think other people do. The past three decades they wound up thinking all politics is about glitz, emotion and compelling characters. Part of the reason they're like this is they never thought Republicans were serious about policy, because if they were, they'd be Democrats. They find it hard to credit the importance of policy in the making of a party's fortunes. They thought Republicans liked Reagan because he was handsome, and George H.W. Bush because he fought in the war. But their elections were policy victories. Charm and humor, stagecraft and showbiz matter, but they're not everything. They're not even half of everything.
Because boomer Democrats thought Republicans won on glitz, they got glitzy in return. It was the central Clintonian insight of 1992: We have to become actors, like the actors we seek to replace.
It only made politics worse and left Democrats unable to speak in public forums of the central point of politics: why you stand where you stand and what you intend to do.
(Fairness forces me to note that socialists love talking about policy, and so does Elizabeth Warren. And that Republican political operatives, as a class, are naturally hostile to the meaning of anything.)
Second, apart from the "We The People" gauziness, there was a nonstop hum of grievance at the convention. To show their ferocious sincerity in the struggle against America's injustices, most of the speakers thought they had to beat the crap out of the countryover and over. Its sins: racism, sexism, bigotry, violence, xenophobia, being unwelcoming to immigrants. The charges, direct and indirect, never let up. Little love was expressed, little gratitude. Everyone was sort of overcoming being born here.

Even Mr. Obama, trying, in a spirit of fairness, to expand the circle of the aggrieved, spoke of "Irish and Italians and Asians and Latinos told: Go back where you come from. Jews and Catholics, Muslims and Skihs, made to feel suspect . . . black Americans chained and whipped and hanged. Spit on for trying to sit at lunch counters, beaten for trying to vote. . . . They knew how far the daily reality of America strayed from the myth."
The cumulative effect of all this, especially for the young, would prompt an inevitable question: Why would anyone fight to save this place? Who needs it?
If I were 12 and watched, I'd wonder if I had a chance here. If I were 20, they'd have flooded me with unearned bitterness.
Injustice is real, history is bloody. But guys, do you ever think you're overdoing it? Are you afraid that this is all you got? Is that why you don't talk about policy?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-democrats-miss-the-meaning-11597980333
George Truett
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Summary of Republican response to the DNC:

whitetrash
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George Truett said:

Summary of Republican response to the DNC:




FIFY, Floyd.
Osodecentx
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George Truett said:

Summary of Republican response to the DNC:


I see you didn't read Noonan's article
fubar
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Peggy Noonan, as always, is the best at what she does. She's right.

I'll be voting for Joe Biden, but Noonan has a point (and made it well).
Flaming Moderate
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It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.
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fubar said:

Peggy Noonan, as always, is the best at what she does. She's right.

I'll be voting for Joe Biden, but Noonan has a point (and made it well).
She is good
Booray
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Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
4th and Inches
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Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
it is an absolute terrible platform but you are right... it is enough for many during this election. Time will tell if it is enough
Booray
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Gruvin said:

Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
it is an absolute terrible platform but you are right... it is enough for many during this election. Time will tell if it is enough


Funny..."Donald Trump was not Hillary Clinton" is the rationale all the ashamed closet Trumpkins trot out to explain their votes. Don't see much difference.

And "we need to get rid of a corrupt incompetent who spends most of his time trying to divide us" as a campaign platform probably needs to be blamed on the corrupt incompetent trying to divide us as a starting point.
Doc Holliday
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Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
You were going to vote blue no matter what.

In 8 years you'll still be voting blue when the leftists control the majority of the party.
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4th and Inches
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Booray said:

Gruvin said:

Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
it is an absolute terrible platform but you are right... it is enough for many during this election. Time will tell if it is enough


Funny..."Donald Trump was not Hillary Clinton" is the rationale all the ashamed closet Trumpkins trot out to explain their votes. Don't see much difference.

And "we need to get rid of a corrupt incompetent who spends most of his time trying to divide us" as a campaign platform probably needs to be blamed on the corrupt incompetent trying to divide us as a starting point.
in 2016, it was an unknown vs a known. This time it is a known vs a known

you think this country was less divided after O's 8 years? The democrats and media have been dividing and playing identity politics the entire time Trump has been president.

At this moment, the democratic party is divided. The sensible democrats and the extremist faction, if they fail to come together then Biden will lose. If the extremist faction is seen as a negative by voters then Biden will lose.

Most of the convention seemed more like a telethon than a party.

We can talk again after the republican convention to see if they are as divided and whether they go towards emotion or policy. Trumps first campain was filled with policy promises(some good, some bad)
blackie
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Doc Holliday said:

Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
You were going to vote blue no matter what.

In 8 years you'll still be voting blue when the leftists control the majority of the party.
I can't speak for Boo, but I would vote for Pence although I think he is just a suit, but not for Trump. It has gotten to the point of feeling that any concern for any damage to the country a Dem president would bring (if you buy into the exaggerations and fear mongering seen on this board) is more than outweighed by the damage I believe another Trump term would bring. It isn't about blue or red for me, it is about the sorriest decorum for a President I have witnessed in my lifetime. We can have red policies if that is your desire without demeaning ourselves in the process.
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blackie said:

Doc Holliday said:

Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
You were going to vote blue no matter what.

In 8 years you'll still be voting blue when the leftists control the majority of the party.
I can't speak for Boo, but I would vote for Pence although I think he is just a suit, but not for Trump. It has gotten to the point of feeling that any concern for any damage to the country a Dem president would bring (if you buy into the exaggerations and fear mongering seen on this board) is more than outweighed by the damage I believe another Trump term would bring. It isn't about blue or red for me, it is about the sorriest decorum for a President I have witnessed in my lifetime. We can have red policies if that is your desire without demeaning ourselves in the process.
Can you be specific about the damage? I'm not seeing it.

With any outsider in the Oval Office, the political machine will have you believing exactly what you believe about Trump.

Decorum is how we get wolves in sheep's clothing. It's all fake anyways. If Winston Churchill had decorum in the social sense, he wouldn't have made the same decisions.
Booray
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Doc Holliday said:

Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
You were going to vote blue no matter what.

In 8 years you'll still be voting blue when the leftists control the majority of the party.
Conservatives having been crying about the socialists who want to rip apart the American way of life in response to: Alexander Hamilton's attempt to start a national bank; abolitionists attempts to do away with slavery; Lincoln's attempts to save the Union; TR's attempts to curb monopolies; Wilson's attempts to put us in an international leadership position to stave off more World Wars; FDR's attempts to get us out of the depression and establish a social safety net; the suffragists' drive to gain the franchise; the Civil Rights' movement; LBJ's battle to lift people out of poverty; Nixon's establishment of the EPA; Clinton's expansion of family leave and additional protections for workers and Obama's attempt to make healthcare accessible to all.

And they have been wrong every single time. So yes, if I have to stray out of my fairly moderate lane, I will probably stray away from the reactionaries who really don't give one **** about the quality of life our citizens enjoy.

But I won't be faced with that decision, because the legislation that would be passed by a Democrat congress and signed by President Biden will continue to be moderate.
Booray
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Gruvin said:

Booray said:

Gruvin said:

Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.
it is an absolute terrible platform but you are right... it is enough for many during this election. Time will tell if it is enough


Funny..."Donald Trump was not Hillary Clinton" is the rationale all the ashamed closet Trumpkins trot out to explain their votes. Don't see much difference.

And "we need to get rid of a corrupt incompetent who spends most of his time trying to divide us" as a campaign platform probably needs to be blamed on the corrupt incompetent trying to divide us as a starting point.
in 2016, it was an unknown vs a known. This time it is a known vs a known

you think this country was less divided after O's 8 years? The democrats and media have been dividing and playing identity politics the entire time Trump has been president.

At this moment, the democratic party is divided. The sensible democrats and the extremist faction, if they fail to come together then Biden will lose. If the extremist faction is seen as a negative by voters then Biden will lose.

Most of the convention seemed more like a telethon than a party.

We can talk again after the republican convention to see if they are as divided and whether they go towards emotion or policy. Trumps first campain was filled with policy promises(some good, some bad)
You really have no understanding about what has happened the last 3.5 years.

The country has always been divided; Obama was in no way unique in that regard.. But with the exception of the Civil War, we have also always been able to unite to fight a crisis.

Thanks to Trump's pandering to those who think their individual freedom is the only thing that matters int he world, we now have a decent portion of the citizenry taking the position that "you shouldn't ask me to to do anything that makes me slightly uncomfortable" even if doing that thing is in the best interests of the country.

Its not about red v. blue. Its about a bunch of selfish nitwits who have no earthly idea how good they have it or how it got to be that way. The shame of it all is that the GOP won't lead because they are afraid of the Donald's twitter account.
HuMcK
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Was thinking about this thread today when I heard that a full 50% (6 out of 12) keynote speakers at the RNC Convention have the last name Trump. Dont know why I made a connection to the two things in my mind...
HuMcK
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I thought the headline was an exaggeration, but nope, that's what the resolution says. Principals and platform planks don't matter, only winning so Trump can avoid prison.
curtpenn
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Booray said:

Flaming Moderate said:

It was four nights of gaslighting, projection, and "Orange Man" is so orange and so bad.


He is orange and he is bad, so that is appropriate.

We have had 4 years of DJT hurling insults at everyone who doesn't give him abject loyalty, so the criticism that the Dens spent too much time criticizing Trump and not enough of offering substantive policy ideas rings a little hollow to me.

"I am not Donald Trump" isn't a great platform, but it is good enough for me this time around.


Which tells us all we need to know about your opinions.
4th and Inches
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HuMcK said:

I thought the headline was an exaggeration, but nope, that's what the resolution says. Principals and platform planks don't matter, only winning so Trump can avoid prison.

guessing you did t read it well enough... lol

It says they stand behind Trumps
Platform, to continue to current goals. The public wants restored economy and public order. I hope you are paying attention. Dems lack of a voice on these issues could cost Biden the election. Rassmussen showed a bump to Trump during/after Dem convention. That is not how it usually works.
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