2nd wave is here

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Canada2017
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Colorado just saw over 6400 cases of covid in the last 24 hours .

All time record number .

Time to get real and forget about politics. Hospitals will be getting swamped within 2 weeks tops.

Obviously cloth and paper masks are not the answer.

If you don't have an N95 mask be completely focused on social distancing.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
fubar
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Truth.

160,000+ new cases in the United States. Today. El Paso the canary in the coal mine.

It's not political. Wear a mask in public, and for the love of all that is holy, maintain social distance. A vaccine is on the way. Do your very best to make sure that you and yours are here to reap the benefit.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.


I thought Corona would disappear in Nov 4th!
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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BearTruth13 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.


I thought Corona would disappear in Nov 4th!
Am drinking a Corona and having a fine cigar on the back porch as we speak. Hope Joe protects himself in the bunker! He really shouldn't risk going out in public. We cannot risk losing his diplomacy, decision-making, and stellar leadership these next four years!!! Stay safe Joe!!!!
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Wrecks Quan Dough
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This so scary. Quick, government. Give us solution. I cannot handle another 8 month long flu season.
Canada2017
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Canada2017 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .


Probably not. Initial projections were 400,000 dead in Dallas county before now. Well, that never happened and it wont.
Mothra
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We heard these dire predictions last time and it wasn't nearly as bad as predicted (in terms of hospitals overflowing). It appears the virus is attenuating as death rates have dropped significantly. I agree be careful but don't live in fear of your neighbor. Don't make the cure worse than the disease.
Canada2017
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Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .


Probably not. Initial projections were 400,000 dead in Dallas county before now. Well, that never happened and it wont.
Interesting; never saw any such projection involving Dallas County . Could you please supply your source ?

We are in a race to produce and distribute Remdesivir ( and other new treatments ) before our hospitals get over run .

Hope the race is won and you can mock these latest estimates from the CDC.

Wrecks Quan Dough
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Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .


Probably not. Initial projections were 400,000 dead in Dallas county before now. Well, that never happened and it wont.
Interesting; never saw any such projection involving Dallas County . Could you please supply your source ?

We are in a race to produce and distribute Remdesivir ( and other new treatments ) before our hospitals get over run .

Hope the race is won and you can mock these latest estimates from the CDC.




The Dallas county health department is my source. They had a nice little chart they put up to justify their foray into fascism.
Canada2017
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Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .


Probably not. Initial projections were 400,000 dead in Dallas county before now. Well, that never happened and it wont.
Interesting; never saw any such projection involving Dallas County . Could you please supply your source ?

We are in a race to produce and distribute Remdesivir ( and other new treatments ) before our hospitals get over run .

Hope the race is won and you can mock these latest estimates from the CDC.




The Dallas county health department is my source. They had a nice little chart they put up to justify their foray into fascism.
Taking you at face value....but doubt I will be able to access such a chart .
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .


Probably not. Initial projections were 400,000 dead in Dallas county before now. Well, that never happened and it wont.
Interesting; never saw any such projection involving Dallas County . Could you please supply your source ?

We are in a race to produce and distribute Remdesivir ( and other new treatments ) before our hospitals get over run .

Hope the race is won and you can mock these latest estimates from the CDC.




The Dallas county health department is my source. They had a nice little chart they put up to justify their foray into fascism.
Taking you at face value....but doubt I will be able to access such a chart .


No ***** That chart done got shredded since it so wrong it is embarrassing.
rudylaw
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Chicago is sort of locking down again... sort of. We just get toothless "guidance" from our leaders but no help to those who need it most. Regardless, we're a catastrophe right now after being solid the whole time. Think it might be a zoom Thanksgiving for us.
Canada2017
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rudylaw said:

Think it might be a zoom Thanksgiving for us.
Needs to be a zoom Thanksgiving for the entire country .

Common...... freaking...... sense .
AZ_Bear
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A major issue is that anyone sick with the flu or other winter virus, and tests positive for COVID, will be considered a COVID case.

I'm sure there will be those that become very sick due to having COVID and flu at same time, but there will be tons of extra COVID counts for people who are mostly sick with the flu and happen to just test positive for COVID. And children who get rotavirus and test positive for COVID will cause many to panic.

The hospitals are normally full (or close to it) during flu season anyway. So, the hospitals will now be full with COVID patients of all ages and the sky will be falling.

Again, I'm not saying there isn't legitimate concern with multiple viruses hitting at the same time. I'm just saying it might be indistinguishable in many cases from those that would otherwise be asymptomatic COVID.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Canada2017 said:

rudylaw said:

Think it might be a zoom Thanksgiving for us.
Needs to be a zoom Thanksgiving for the entire country .

Common...... freaking...... sense .


Or what? 400,000 Texans will be dead by 7 months ago?

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort-worth/coppell-valley-ranch-las-colinas/coronavirus/2020/03/22/breaking-dallas-county-judge-announces-stay-at-home-order-effective-just-before-midnight-march-23-for-all-residents/#&gid=2&pid=2

There is the chart. It was for Texans, not just Dallas county, but still the embarrassing miss is the same.
Grumpy
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Technically this is a third wave as mid-summer saw a second. Interestingly, the Spanish Flu saw four major waves during its pandemic a century ago.
Dnicknames
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Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .


Probably not. Initial projections were 400,000 dead in Dallas county before now. Well, that never happened and it wont.
Interesting; never saw any such projection involving Dallas County . Could you please supply your source ?

We are in a race to produce and distribute Remdesivir ( and other new treatments ) before our hospitals get over run .

Hope the race is won and you can mock these latest estimates from the CDC.




The Dallas county health department is my source. They had a nice little chart they put up to justify their foray into fascism.
Taking you at face value....but doubt I will be able to access such a chart .


No ***** That chart done got shredded since it so wrong it is embarrassing.


That would be 15% of the entire population of one of our largest cities, really?
rudylaw
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Grumpy said:

Technically this is a third wave as mid-summer saw a second. Interestingly, the Spanish Flu saw four major waves during its pandemic a century ago.
Actually, we're still in the first wave with multiple spikes since we have 50 states doing whatever they please with no guidance or binding voice from Washington.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Dnicknames said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.
Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .


Probably not. Initial projections were 400,000 dead in Dallas county before now. Well, that never happened and it wont.
Interesting; never saw any such projection involving Dallas County . Could you please supply your source ?

We are in a race to produce and distribute Remdesivir ( and other new treatments ) before our hospitals get over run .

Hope the race is won and you can mock these latest estimates from the CDC.




The Dallas county health department is my source. They had a nice little chart they put up to justify their foray into fascism.
Taking you at face value....but doubt I will be able to access such a chart .


No ***** That chart done got shredded since it so wrong it is embarrassing.


That would be 15% of the entire population of one of our largest cities, really?


Wasn't my chart. It was a government chart. I haven't believed anything the government has propagated about Covid since about the second or third day of the attempt to lock me out of my office. I am done with the government on this issue. No more trust left.
Canada2017
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AZ_Bear said:



Again, I'm not saying there isn't legitimate concern with multiple viruses hitting at the same time. I'm just saying it might be indistinguishable in many cases from those that would otherwise be asymptomatic COVID.

Another concern is patients weakened by other winter illnesses...later getting hammered by C-19.

One theory as to why the number of deaths have often skyrocketed in November-December- January during past pandemics .

Canada2017
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Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

rudylaw said:

Think it might be a zoom Thanksgiving for us.
Needs to be a zoom Thanksgiving for the entire country .

Common...... freaking...... sense .


Or what? 400,000 Texans will be dead by 7 months ago?

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort-worth/coppell-valley-ranch-las-colinas/coronavirus/2020/03/22/breaking-dallas-county-judge-announces-stay-at-home-order-effective-just-before-midnight-march-23-for-all-residents/#&gid=2&pid=2

There is the chart. It was for Texans, not just Dallas county, but still the embarrassing miss is the same.
Big difference between a state and one county .

Regardless , I hope we can all be embarrassed by the CDC's latest estimates come spring .
Mothra
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Those of you scared of a virus that kills less than 1% of those who get it, do what you feel is right. If you want to live in fear of this disease and think there is a magic bullet coming, then isolate and lockdown the next year and inject yourself with a vaccine - the lasting effects of which are unknown.

Let the rest of us do what we feel is best for us.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Canada2017 said:

Carlos Safety said:

Canada2017 said:

rudylaw said:

Think it might be a zoom Thanksgiving for us.
Needs to be a zoom Thanksgiving for the entire country .

Common...... freaking...... sense .


Or what? 400,000 Texans will be dead by 7 months ago?

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort-worth/coppell-valley-ranch-las-colinas/coronavirus/2020/03/22/breaking-dallas-county-judge-announces-stay-at-home-order-effective-just-before-midnight-march-23-for-all-residents/#&gid=2&pid=2

There is the chart. It was for Texans, not just Dallas county, but still the embarrassing miss is the same.
Big difference between a state and one country .

Regardless , I hope we can all be embarrassed by the CDC's latest estimates come spring .


The point is our fear mongering government is wrong by magnitudes of tens and hundreds on Covid. 400,000 dead in Texas? Not in our lifetime, much less in two months or less than when this all started.
Canada2017
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Mothra said:

Those of you scared of a virus that kills less than 1% of those who get it, do what you feel is right. If you want to live in fear of this disease and think there is a magic bullet coming, then isolate and lockdown the next year and inject yourself with a vaccine - the lasting effects of which are unknown.

Let the rest of us do what we feel is best for us.
Heard this same argument last March when the death count was below 1,000.

Approaching 240,000 dead now and the number of new infections is increasing dramatically .

Not trying to be snarky ....but Is there any number of deaths that would alter your mindset ?
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Canada2017 said:

Mothra said:

Those of you scared of a virus that kills less than 1% of those who get it, do what you feel is right. If you want to live in fear of this disease and think there is a magic bullet coming, then isolate and lockdown the next year and inject yourself with a vaccine - the lasting effects of which are unknown.

Let the rest of us do what we feel is best for us.
Heard this same argument last March when the death count was below 1,000.

Approaching 240,000 dead now and the number of new infections is increasing dramatically .

Not trying to be snarky ....but Is there any number of deaths that would alter your mindset ?


Why don't we stop acting like this is VX gas?
Mothra
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Canada2017 said:

Mothra said:

Those of you scared of a virus that kills less than 1% of those who get it, do what you feel is right. If you want to live in fear of this disease and think there is a magic bullet coming, then isolate and lockdown the next year and inject yourself with a vaccine - the lasting effects of which are unknown.

Let the rest of us do what we feel is best for us.
Heard this same argument last March when the death count was below 1,000.

Approaching 240,000 dead now and the number of new infections is increasing dramatically .

Not trying to be snarky ....but Is there any number of deaths that would alter your mindset ?


I have eternal security and don't fear death. I've come close to dying once and it changed me. Perhaps that gives me a different perspective on death in general.

We've seen that social distancing and lockdowns don't work. See Europe. The virus is going to virus. If I truly thought your solution was correct, I'd be on board. I just think Europe proves your solution doesn't work.

And I also think that we don't yet know the implications of lockdowns and social distancing. It's warped our kids, made us afraid of our neighbors, caused us to ignore signs of other diseases, decreased preventative screenings, significantly increased depression, suicide and abuse and led to economic ruin. Do you know we are on track to have the exact same number of deaths because of disease as every other year? It seems nature finds a way.

Like I said - if you guys want to live in fear of this thing, then isolate yourself. For me that is a cure worse than the disease.
midgett
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Case counts in a vacuum is useless information. How many are asymptomatic? How many are kids or healthy people under 40? Why hasn't Covid blew up many African countries? Is it because Trump isn't their president? Is it because they developed a vaccine and aren't sharing it? Or is it because their life expectancy is a lot lower so they don't have lots of elderly?

PCR tests at 40 cycle rates (as most are) generate lots of false positives as many athletes and sports teams are learning.

In one study just published in Journal of American Medicine, they ran PCR tests on 176 RECOVERED Covid patients 4-11 weeks after diagnosis. 32 tested positive. 31 of 32 used PCR thresholds of 30 or higher (extremely sensitive). None had a live virus - it was old dead virus material. The only patient with a live virus was the one using the lowest PCR threshold.

Elon Musk took 4 PCR tests yesterday using the same test. 2 were positive and 2 were negative. Most PCR tests use high cycle rates which generates lots of false positives.

Will the spike lead to more hospitalizations and more deaths? Yes. Will it be overwhelming? Probably not. Remember, people are very alert to their health in fear of getting Covid. That results in earlier detection. Physicians have also learned ways to help those with early detection.

Virus cases may skyrocket. Hospitalizations and deaths may spike some. The odds we are about to have ICUs and morgues overrun is quite low.

Covid, or perhaps more accurately, those WITH Covid will account for about 2% of deaths worldwide this year. Tragic not doubt.
midgett
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From June through September, Michigan reported 2300 more deaths than the same period in 2019. All Covid, right. No. There were 784 Covid related deaths. Would they have missed any COVID related deaths? Not likely with the financial incentives and aggressiveness to track the illness.

Deaths from COPD and pneumonia dropped by 250. Hmmm. Could be some unreported Covid deaths there. Cancer deaths dropped and heart-related deaths (the biggest category) rose slightly.

Where did the other 1500 extra deaths occur? Suicide, overdose, accident, alcoholism, dementia, Alzheimer's & homicide. Some of those are directly related to lockdowns and despair.

Don't let the cure be worse than the disease.

(Alex Berenson provides links directly to the above data on his Twitter.)
Canada2017
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Nice way of saying there is no number of deaths that would alter your mindset .


BTW even half of a percent death rate would result in over a million deaths .

That is not acceptable to me .

Not if common sense for only 90 more days could save hundreds of thousands of lives with vaccines and treatments on route .
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Canada2017 said:

Colorado just saw over 6400 cases of covid in the last 24 hours .

All time record number .

Time to get real and forget about politics. Hospitals will be getting swamped within 2 weeks tops.

Obviously cloth and paper masks are not the answer.

If you don't have an N95 mask be completely focused on social distancing.

They have been saying for 8 months now that hospitals are fixing to be full
Canada2017
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DAC said:

Canada2017 said:

Colorado just saw over 6400 cases of covid in the last 24 hours .

All time record number .

Time to get real and forget about politics. Hospitals will be getting swamped within 2 weeks tops.

Obviously cloth and paper masks are not the answer.

If you don't have an N95 mask be completely focused on social distancing.

They have been saying for 8 months now that hospitals are fixing to be full


In Colorado we are seeing our hospitals fill up rapidly .

ICU usage up dramatically.

Record amount of new infections in the last 24 hours .

And it's only mid November .
midgett
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Canada2017 said:

DAC said:

Canada2017 said:

Colorado just saw over 6400 cases of covid in the last 24 hours .

All time record number .

Time to get real and forget about politics. Hospitals will be getting swamped within 2 weeks tops.

Obviously cloth and paper masks are not the answer.

If you don't have an N95 mask be completely focused on social distancing.

They have been saying for 8 months now that hospitals are fixing to be full


In Colorado we are seeing our hospitals fill up rapidly .

ICU usage up dramatically.

Record amount of new infections in the last 24 hours .

And it's only mid November .


What's your solution? More lockdowns to kill more people otherwise especially young people?
AZ_Bear
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I have no doubt that there will be an increase. Just be careful putting too much stock in what's reported and overly attributing causation to correlation. There were so many truly misleading reports I knew first hand here in Arizona during the summer.

Hospitals fill up during flu season anyway. Also, Hospitals are cautious and they want the COVID billing too, at least until they are actually overrun.
 
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