Mothra said:
Canada2017 said:
Mothra said:
Clearly, you are no longer reading what I wrote. As stated above, I have sufficient assets that I can liquidate and my family and I will be fine for a few years. Sure, my law firm will go under, as will most small businesses with any extended shutdown of the economy, but I am one of the lucky ones who, like yourself, will be able to survive a few years of depression.
Again, it's the middle class and the poor people that concern me. Unfortunately, they do not have the assets we do to survive a depression. Mortgages will be foreclosed. Tenants will be evicted. And the bread lines will be long. When you take away a poor person's ability to make a living and foist a depression upon the world, that's what will happen.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Amusing
Your narrative in the past ( repeatedly ) has been your concern to retain your job and the loss of your ability to support your family . Now you have enough assets to be fine for a 'few years'. Will you be a multimillionaire tomorrow ? I certainly hope so .
No one is suggesting a total/extended shutdown . The emergence of not one, but two viable vaccines ( and more on the way ) makes extended shutdowns unnecessary . What IS plainly necessary are shutdowns in areas where the infections rates threaten hospital capacities . El Paso , Texas ( NOW ) for example. But local businesses have successfully stopped such measures in court . Brilliant.
It is the working class who are most at risk to get this infection. Are they dying as frequently......thankfully no. But this virus often causes extended and even permanent organ damage. We could literally have millions of disabled people coming out of this pandemic . Again, exactly what happened as a result of the 1918 pandemic.
Better to protect our working class now rather have a significant number of them disabled later.
1-2 month lockdowns ...where necessary .
2-3 more financial aid packages . for the low and middle class.
Vaccines by February at the latest.
Back to normalcy by mid May. Attacks on the energy industry begin in earnest.
Widespread rioting resuming by July 1st....this time spreading to the suburbs .
There's no evidence that there are going to be long term disabilities with this disease. There's also no evidence that the vaccines are going to not have long term effects for those who think a vaccine is the answer.
If I misunderstood you regarding lockdowns, my apologies. Given your call for banning all professional and college sports, I thought that was what you are arguing.
COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven't Had Any Symptoms
A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus
By Carolyn Barber on August 31, 2020
[T]he evidence has strengthened that cardiac damage can happen even among people who have never displayed symptoms of coronavirus infection. And these frightening findings help explain why college and professional sports leagues are proceeding with special caution as they make decisions about whether or not to play.
Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation triggered by the body's overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet, doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C) - a rare illness - who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child's cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus' direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers are reporting the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure, having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.
Ossama Samuel, associate chief of cardiology at Mount Sinai Beth Israel in New York, told me about a cluster of younger adults developing myocarditis, some of them a month or so after they had recovered from COVID-19. One patient, who developed myocarditis four weeks after believing he had recovered from the virus, responded to a course of steroid treatment only to develop a recurrence in the form of pericarditis (an inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart). A second patient, in her 40s, now has reduced heart function from myocarditis, and a third - an athletic man in his 40s - is experiencing recurring and dangerous ventricular heart rhythms, necessitating that he wear a LifeVest defibrillator for protection. His MRI also demonstrates fibrosis and scarring of his heart muscle, which may be permanent, and he may ultimately require placement of a permanent defibrillator.
"Even the Advil and acetaminophen wouldn't help my fevers," said J.N. Just 34 years old, he was diagnosed with COVID-induced myocarditis and severe heart failure. Doctors admitted him to the intensive care unit and placed him on a lifesaving intra-aortic balloon pump due to the very poor function of his heart. He spent two weeks in the hospital, has suffered recurrences since his discharge, and now says, "I'm very careful. I'm very concerned about the length of time I've been feeling sick, and if these symptoms are lifelong or will go away anytime soon." J.N. said that everyday activities, like carrying his one-year-old daughter up a flight of stairs, leave him feeling winded and fatigued. He has been unable to work since March.
Experts estimate that half of myocarditis cases resolve without a chronic complication, but several studies suggest that COVID-19 patients show signs of the condition months after contracting the virus. One non-peer reviewed study, involving 139 health care workers who developed coronavirus infection and recovered, found that about 10 weeks after their initial symptoms, 37 percent of them were diagnosed with myocarditis or myopericarditis - and fewer than half of those had showed symptoms at the time of their scans.
Any such cardiac sequelae lingering weeks to months after the fact is clearly concerning, and we're seeing more evidence of it.
A German study found that 78 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients, the majority of whom had only mild to moderate symptoms, demonstrated cardiac involvement more than two months after their initial diagnoses. Six in 10 were found to have persistent myocardial inflammation. While emphasizing that individual patients need not be nervous, lead investigator Elike Nagel added in an e-mail, "My personal take is that COVID will increase the incidence of heart failure over the next decades."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-can-wreck-your-heart-even-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/
