Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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Taste the Old Southwest!

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Are you familiar with the COVID situation currently affecting El Paso ?

Think it's contrived ?

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I am sure it is just awful. We should lock everyone up in their homes and treat them like criminals because some folks are skerd.

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There are some good restaurants in El Paso ...still open too.

I'm sure they would appreciate your business .

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I would not mind if I were a little closer.

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Start early and stay late .
Hotels need you too .

Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

Didn't keep any articles. If I have time later, I'll find one. There was a lot on radio and especially tv too that I wouldn't know how to find.

However, it would be pretty much any article you find that says we were being overrun with COVID. We weren't.

fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in the next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

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There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

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What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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I follow what's going on along the border as we have an office in Tucson.

A major problem, though, is that the media has put out very misleading reports so it's hard for many to know what to believe. The reporting in Phoenix during the summer was full of verifiable lies (or at a minimum intentionally uninformed). Lots of discussion about hospitals being overrun that weren't.

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Houston is a good example of the media being very misleading.

The hospital administrators of the 4 largest hospitals in Houston called a press conference to calm people down. Basically, called the media out for being idiots, liars or both about capacity.

Leaders of Houston's 4 largest hospitals say capacity is in good shape as coronavirus cases increase

Texas Medical Center never went beyond 50% of phase 2 utilization and never went into phase 3. Yet the media reported things like:
"All the Hospitals Are Full" In Houston




As of Aug. 3 TMC's Phase 1 (non-pandemic configurations) is at 99%. TMC is no longer in Phase 2 for ICU.

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/61419/replies/1762561

July 4 Total 1,308 | COVID 568 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 5 Total 1,307 | COVID 589 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 6 Total 1,362 | COVID 600 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.0%
July 7 Total 1,364 | COVID 615 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.7%
July 8 Total 1,394 | COVID 626 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.3%
July 9 Total 1,394 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.2%
July 10 Total 1,420 | COVID 651 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.0%
July 11 Total 1,368 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.3%
July 12 Total 1,365 | COVID 682 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.0%
July 13 Total 1,352 | COVID 674 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.9%
July 14 Total 1.359 | COVID 676 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.5%
July 15 Total 1.400 | COVID 678 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.3%
July 16 Total 1.400 | COVID 689 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 18 Total 1.345 | COVID 667 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.8%
July 19 Total 1.361 | COVID 664 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%
July 20 Total 1.347 | COVID 686 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%
July 21 Total 1.386 | COVID 691 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.3%
July 22 Total 1.431 | COVID 716 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.6%
July 23 Total 1.456 | COVID 714 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.7% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -0.4%
July 24 Total 1.422 | COVID 681 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.1% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -1.5%
July 25 Total 1.416 | COVID 691 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.1% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -1.5%
July 26 Total 1.408 | COVID 682 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.5% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -2.5%
July 27 Total 1,373 | COVID 677 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.1% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -2.8%
July 28 Total 1,387 | COVID 650 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU -0.5% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -3.0%
July 29 Total 1,426 | COVID 625 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU -1.4% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -3.0%
July 30 Total 1,435 | COVID 639 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU -1.7% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -3.5%
July 31 Total 1,388 | COVID 632 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU -1.3% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -3.9%
AUG. 1 Total 1,330 | COVID 617 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU -1.3% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -5.0%
AUG. 2 Total 1,324 | COVID 569| 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU -2.0% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits -3.8%
AUG. 3 Total 1,315 | COVID 568| 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU -2.5% | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate COVID hosp admits 0.1%

Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

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What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

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If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

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How many would be required to alter your mindset ?

A mindset that hasn't changed one iota from the onset of this pandemic months ago ...to over 250,000 deaths now .

You have your entire ego invested in your position .

No number of dead , no amount of logic , is going to alter your viewpoint in the slightest .

Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

---

By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

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How many would be required to alter your mindset ?

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How many you got?

Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

How many would be required to alter your mindset ?

---

How many you got?

---

How many would it take ?

Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

How many would be required to alter your mindset ?

---

How many you got?

---

How many would it take ?

---

Ok. This is pretty much over as a conversation.

Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

---

By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

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Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

---

By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

---

Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

---

Premise is the same.

You are attempting the absolve the perpetrator and assign blame to the victim .

Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

---

By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

---

Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

---

Premise is the same.

You are attempting the absolve the perpetrator and assign blame to the victim .

---

My point is the "victim" should know the risks and make good choices. If I don't want to be mugged, I'm not walking up and down dark alleys in the projects.

JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

---

By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

---

Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

---

Premise is the same.

You are attempting the absolve the perpetrator and assign blame to the victim .

---

My point is the "victim" should know the risks and make good choices. If I don't want to be mugged, I'm not walking up and down dark alleys in the projects.

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Then you are yielding your rights to the perpetrator.

You have a right to be on any sidewalk or any road for that matter .

It is the obligation of the other party to act responsibly ... be it drinking , violence or going to public places and knowingly transmitting a deadly disease to others .

Which is why drunk driving and assault are crimes .

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ATL Bear said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Mothra said:

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J.R. said:

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For all you deniers, I sure hope people around you don't start dying. i'v lost 4 and counting. One of my BU fraternity brothers is currently in the hospital and going down fast in Houston. It's real, folks. Everybody, can do what they want, but I chose to do my part based on the best science we have.

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No on this thread has suggested anything other than reasonable proposals. But lockdowns for 90 days is not the answer and will lead to more deaths and misery. Some of us need to pay our mortgage and health insurance. As the father of a special. Reds child, I can't afford to be out of work.

I have friends who have lost parents and grandparents and a dad who lost his best friend. It's the reason we are not spending thanksgiving with him. Isolation and lockdowns forever however are not the answer.

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I'm not saying a lockdown is the answer, hell I'm not smart enough to know the answer. It is a real tricky balance between virus mitigation and not completely tanking the economy. We all can't afford not to have income to support our families and ourselves. My businesses have suffered greatly during the last 8 months. One of my businesses is multifamily real estate. Depending on the property, I have many, many tenants that work retail, and or the service industry which have been decimated. We have been working with them on rents, ect., but that can't continue much longer. Unfortunately , my lenders expect their money. It's a hell of a pickle! It all just sucks.

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It has affected my tenants as well.

But money can be replaced...lives cannot .

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See this is my problem with your position. You'll be fine financially regardless. It's not the sacrifice for you it is for others.

Stay in your basement if you want. Don't ask the rest of us to have our families ruined.

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It has already cost me at least $ 200,000 one way or another .

But again, we are talking only 3 months .

We are fortunate the scientific community is going to save us from our own shortsightedness .

3 months of financial suffering or death for additional thousands ?

Good grief you are an attorney and cant ride out 3 months ?

My legal leg breaker could ride out 3 years and still order top shelf .

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So just three months? How does that work exactly. My law firm and all their clients' businesses shut down for three months and then magically restart where we left off? You think that's how this will work?

Come on man. You're smarter than that. Millions of businesses will go under and I won't have a job in 90 days.

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Some will shut down..the ones that are debt loaded.

Other businesses with cash reserves will fill in their niche very quickly......and make even bigger profits.

That's how it always works. Those that manage their debt load usually get ahead in the long run . Those that can't.....lose eventually .



Sorry guy...but there are always other jobs.

Choices.


But dying is a one way street....no overs.

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You might want to research how many people died during the depression because that's what your scenario would lead to.

As flippant as you've accused me of being, you've been awfully flippant about other people's financial ruin. It's easy to be flippant when you've got a cash reserve. As you well know, most Americans are not so lucky.

You're scenario is unworkable and absurd. Thank god no reasonable politician would allow such authoritarian policy here.

I choose not to live my life in fear.

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You have expressed your fear of unemployment and it's priority over peoples lives since the beginning of this pandemic .

As the death count reaches a quarter of a million , nothing has changed. Your job is far more important to you than peoples lives .

And although many people feel the same ....it should be obvious to everyone.....

jobs can be replaced but dead.....is DEAD.

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How many tenants are you going to evict when they can't pay rent? How much government support are you going to ask for to sustain your properties or recover lost rent?

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We have had 3 tenants lose their jobs so far. Two left on their own and one the lease was over and sold the house .

We gave all of them their deposits back in full.

One lady we reduced her rent by 30% the last 3 months of her lease, returned her deposit in full, and gave her $ 2000 dollars to help move.

We have not taken a penny in government assistance nor asked for it .

For the record I expect the rental situation in northern Colorado to get much worse over the next year.

40% due to covid and 60% due to the Dems inevitable assault against the energy industry .

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[sarcasm]Gave them their deposits back? Wow! What a compassionate guy you are.[/sarcasm]

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The tenants initiated the moveouts .The lease contracts were not honored,
Deposits involved were 2 thousand dollars each.

We were under no obligation to return said deposits and had to incur the overhead costs associated with the vacancy of large, single family houses. We did so willingly, and even gave one tenant an additional 2000 dollars ( unasked ) to help . Have no doubt we will be doing more of the same in the coming weeks.

BTW, as I read your childish/clueless comments ......it is becoming more difficult for me to believe you are a fully licensed, practicing attorney.

Though if in fact you are....it's certainly obvious why you are so concerned about losing your job .

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Of course the tenants initiated the move outs. That's what happens when you lose your job and can no longer pay for your home/apartment.

Here's a news flash: most Americans are concerned with losing their jobs. We don't all have a huge savings to rely on for basic necessities.

I couldn't care less what a selfish dolt and coward such as yourself believes about me personally. I find your selfish attitude revolting and repugnant. Hide in your basement.

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Point is ...we treat are tenants very well. Including giving some of them thousands of dollars .

Which is much more than you have done for ANYONE... hypocritical shmuck .

Hell, you want people to DIE just because you were too shortsighted to save 6 months worth of funds.
As an ATTORNEY no less , you couldn't get out of debt.

Well yuppie ........that is 100% on you .

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Mothra....I side with Canada on this one. He's a business man. He treated his tenants better than most would. As far Americans not having a pot to piss in, that is not his fault. I don't know how old you are, but having money in the bank to weather the storm is so, so prudent. Maybe, americans should live within their means. No big house payments in kick ass neighborhoods and maybe no care note. Buy what you can afford in cash.

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We can all lament the lack of savings in America from our cushy perches. Reality is 56% of the workforce is hourly making $20 or less an hour. To add an additional perspective, state unemployment + the $600 Federal add on created a weekly wage that exceeded the earnings of 50%+ of American families.

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All true, however people make choices .

My best mechanic makes close to 100k per year but lives with his parents.
40 years old with lots of toys ...all on credit. One kid in California , one kid in Colorado and never stays at one job longer than a 18 months .

Know professionals making $ 300,000-$ 500,000 a year who can't pay their taxes.

And we all know people who just 'have' to vacation in Cancun every year.........and put it all on their credit cards.

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Unless your mechanic is incredible or very specialized I call bull***** That's my business and the % of technicians making 100k is incredibly small. Most make between $25-75k and the number of guys making 30k is probably 10x that of the guys making 75k. I'm quite literally in repair shops 3-5 days a week and have experience all over the United States.

There are large scale dealerships running alternate week shifts. Ie half of their employees get the week off then they switch. I bet in the greater Cleveland/Akron area we have contracted over 100 shops since April.

We can lament all day how people don't save but this isn't the time for a lesson in savings. The VAST majority of the people I interact with are more concerned with their livelihood than the .03% chance they might die.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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It's not ego. It's fear. Fear of losing their job, their home, their savings...and if the price incredibly tiny possibility they may die that's a price people are willing to pay.

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For all you deniers, I sure hope people around you don't start dying. i'v lost 4 and counting. One of my BU fraternity brothers is currently in the hospital and going down fast in Houston. It's real, folks. Everybody, can do what they want, but I chose to do my part based on the best science we have.

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No on this thread has suggested anything other than reasonable proposals. But lockdowns for 90 days is not the answer and will lead to more deaths and misery. Some of us need to pay our mortgage and health insurance. As the father of a special. Reds child, I can't afford to be out of work.

I have friends who have lost parents and grandparents and a dad who lost his best friend. It's the reason we are not spending thanksgiving with him. Isolation and lockdowns forever however are not the answer.

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I'm not saying a lockdown is the answer, hell I'm not smart enough to know the answer. It is a real tricky balance between virus mitigation and not completely tanking the economy. We all can't afford not to have income to support our families and ourselves. My businesses have suffered greatly during the last 8 months. One of my businesses is multifamily real estate. Depending on the property, I have many, many tenants that work retail, and or the service industry which have been decimated. We have been working with them on rents, ect., but that can't continue much longer. Unfortunately , my lenders expect their money. It's a hell of a pickle! It all just sucks.

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It has affected my tenants as well.

But money can be replaced...lives cannot .

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See this is my problem with your position. You'll be fine financially regardless. It's not the sacrifice for you it is for others.

Stay in your basement if you want. Don't ask the rest of us to have our families ruined.

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It has already cost me at least $ 200,000 one way or another .

But again, we are talking only 3 months .

We are fortunate the scientific community is going to save us from our own shortsightedness .

3 months of financial suffering or death for additional thousands ?

Good grief you are an attorney and cant ride out 3 months ?

My legal leg breaker could ride out 3 years and still order top shelf .

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So just three months? How does that work exactly. My law firm and all their clients' businesses shut down for three months and then magically restart where we left off? You think that's how this will work?

Come on man. You're smarter than that. Millions of businesses will go under and I won't have a job in 90 days.

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Some will shut down..the ones that are debt loaded.

Other businesses with cash reserves will fill in their niche very quickly......and make even bigger profits.

That's how it always works. Those that manage their debt load usually get ahead in the long run . Those that can't.....lose eventually .



Sorry guy...but there are always other jobs.

Choices.


But dying is a one way street....no overs.

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You might want to research how many people died during the depression because that's what your scenario would lead to.

As flippant as you've accused me of being, you've been awfully flippant about other people's financial ruin. It's easy to be flippant when you've got a cash reserve. As you well know, most Americans are not so lucky.

You're scenario is unworkable and absurd. Thank god no reasonable politician would allow such authoritarian policy here.

I choose not to live my life in fear.

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You have expressed your fear of unemployment and it's priority over peoples lives since the beginning of this pandemic .

As the death count reaches a quarter of a million , nothing has changed. Your job is far more important to you than peoples lives .

And although many people feel the same ....it should be obvious to everyone.....

jobs can be replaced but dead.....is DEAD.

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How many tenants are you going to evict when they can't pay rent? How much government support are you going to ask for to sustain your properties or recover lost rent?

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We have had 3 tenants lose their jobs so far. Two left on their own and one the lease was over and sold the house .

We gave all of them their deposits back in full.

One lady we reduced her rent by 30% the last 3 months of her lease, returned her deposit in full, and gave her $ 2000 dollars to help move.

We have not taken a penny in government assistance nor asked for it .

For the record I expect the rental situation in northern Colorado to get much worse over the next year.

40% due to covid and 60% due to the Dems inevitable assault against the energy industry .

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[sarcasm]Gave them their deposits back? Wow! What a compassionate guy you are.[/sarcasm]

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The tenants initiated the moveouts .The lease contracts were not honored,
Deposits involved were 2 thousand dollars each.

We were under no obligation to return said deposits and had to incur the overhead costs associated with the vacancy of large, single family houses. We did so willingly, and even gave one tenant an additional 2000 dollars ( unasked ) to help . Have no doubt we will be doing more of the same in the coming weeks.

BTW, as I read your childish/clueless comments ......it is becoming more difficult for me to believe you are a fully licensed, practicing attorney.

Though if in fact you are....it's certainly obvious why you are so concerned about losing your job .

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Of course the tenants initiated the move outs. That's what happens when you lose your job and can no longer pay for your home/apartment.

Here's a news flash: most Americans are concerned with losing their jobs. We don't all have a huge savings to rely on for basic necessities.

I couldn't care less what a selfish dolt and coward such as yourself believes about me personally. I find your selfish attitude revolting and repugnant. Hide in your basement.

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Point is ...we treat are tenants very well. Including giving some of them thousands of dollars .

Which is much more than you have done for ANYONE... hypocritical shmuck .

Hell, you want people to DIE just because you were too shortsighted to save 6 months worth of funds.
As an ATTORNEY no less , you couldn't get out of debt.

Well yuppie ........that is 100% on you .

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Mothra....I side with Canada on this one. He's a business man. He treated his tenants better than most would. As far Americans not having a pot to piss in, that is not his fault. I don't know how old you are, but having money in the bank to weather the storm is so, so prudent. Maybe, americans should live within their means. No big house payments in kick ass neighborhoods and maybe no care note. Buy what you can afford in cash.

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We can all lament the lack of savings in America from our cushy perches. Reality is 56% of the workforce is hourly making $20 or less an hour. To add an additional perspective, state unemployment + the $600 Federal add on created a weekly wage that exceeded the earnings of 50%+ of American families.

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All true, however people make choices .

My best mechanic makes close to 100k per year but lives with his parents.
40 years old with lots of toys ...all on credit. One kid in California , one kid in Colorado and never stays at one job longer than a 18 months .

Know professionals making $ 300,000-$ 500,000 a year who can't pay their taxes.

And we all know people who just 'have' to vacation in Cancun every year.........and put it all on their credit cards.

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Unless your mechanic is incredible or very specialized I call bull***** That's my business and the % of technicians making 100k is incredibly small. Most make between $25-75k and the number of guys making 30k is probably 10x that of the guys making 75k. I'm quite literally in repair shops 3-5 days a week and have experience all over the United States.

There are large scale dealerships running alternate week shifts. Ie half of their employees get the week off then they switch. I bet in the greater Cleveland/Akron area we have contracted over 100 shops since April.

We can lament all day how people don't save but this isn't the time for a lesson in savings. The VAST majority of the people I interact with are more concerned with their livelihood than the .03% chance they might die.

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This mechanic is obnoxious and STILL gets job offers left and right . So he must have some special certifications.

Yeah I hear you . People rarely save for bad times .

Farmers have to because one year in four ( minimum ) your crop fails or prices aren't worth a **** .

Insidious virus....especially it's ability to be transmitted before any symptoms become apparent. THAT's the complicating factor.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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Well if you're people like Florduh-Mikey, literally no number of deaths would be enough.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

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There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

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If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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So your suggestion is for big govt. to step in and shut it all down?

It's so interesting how many so-called "conservatives" and "limited govt." advocates are willing to abandon conservative principles in the face of this pandemic.

I view this as a Darwinian market correction. Survival of the fittest. Not trying to be callous but the virus is gonna virus.

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I view this as a Darwinian market correction. Survival of the fittest. Not trying to be callous but the virus is gonna virus.

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Callous toward human beings is okay. Just keep all that Darwinian market correction stuff away from...you know, the market. We are conservatives, after all.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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Well if you're people like Florduh-Mikey, literally no number of deaths would be enough.

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Florida is a good guy . We just disagree on this topic . And many folks feel the exact same way he does .

Meanwhile the United States now over has over 11,695,711 confirmed c-19 cases and over 254,255 coronavirus related deaths .

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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Well if you're people like Florduh-Mikey, literally no number of deaths would be enough.

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Florida is a good guy . We just disagree on this topic . And many folks feel the exact same way he does .

Meanwhile the United States now over has over 11,695,711 confirmed c-19 cases and over 254,255 coronavirus related deaths .

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And you and I will have to disagree on this one. I don't think being completely blind to science/ facts, and constantly disseminating dangerous misinformation are the qualities of a "good guy."

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Canada2017 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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Well if you're people like Florduh-Mikey, literally no number of deaths would be enough.

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Florida is a good guy . We just disagree on this topic . And many folks feel the exact same way he does .

Meanwhile the United States now over has over 11,695,711 confirmed c-19 cases and over 254,255 coronavirus related deaths .

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And you and I will have to disagree on this one. I don't think being completely blind to science/ facts, and constantly disseminating dangerous misinformation are the qualities of a "good guy."

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Depending on ones political , social and religious views you just described about 2/3 the guys on this board on any given day .

Including me .

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I view this as a Darwinian market correction. Survival of the fittest. Not trying to be callous but the virus is gonna virus.

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Pretty Malthusian and I concur. Sucks if you're part of the segment that dies though.

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

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There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

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If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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So your suggestion is for big govt. to step in and shut it all down?

It's so interesting how many so-called "conservatives" and "limited govt." advocates are willing to abandon conservative principles in the face of this pandemic.

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What isn't interesting is your stupid straw man arguments. Reasonable precautions could have slowed the spread. We don't have to close everything down. But you object to any limitation.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

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There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

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If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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So your suggestion is for big govt. to step in and shut it all down?

It's so interesting how many so-called "conservatives" and "limited govt." advocates are willing to abandon conservative principles in the face of this pandemic.

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What isn't interesting is your stupid straw man arguments. Reasonable precautions could have slowed the spread. We don't have to close everything down. But you object to any limitation.

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Probably best to read the entire thread and understand the context of my exchange with Canada (and Sam) before commenting. No one has ever said, much less suggested, that "reasonable precautions" should not have been taken. I am all for social distancing, mask mandates (within reason, I think forcing school children to wear masks all day behind plexiglass borders on abusive), and limiting the number of patrons in certain businesses. What I am arguing against is the martial law and shut down of the economy that Canada has advocated on these boards, as well as the 5-month shutdown of non-essential businesses that Sam has advocated for on this very thread.

In short, I have not argued a straw man, and I am certainly not against any limitation. I AM against another shut down, because I believe it hurts poor people the most.