Biden's approval rating among Independents hits new low: Civiqs poll

Biden Job Approval
Approve 34%
Disapprove 55%

Independents
Approve 21%
Disapprove 65%

Approve/Disapprove
TX: 27/62
GA: 31/58
NV: 32/58
AZ: 32/58
PA: 33/56
FL: 34/57
WI: 35/57

Millions from Biden's COVID relief bill went to museum, university programs pushing social, climate justicehttps://t.co/JJfnu2n04X

— Fox News (@FoxNews) May 25, 2022

4th and Inches said:

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Please quotewhere I said he won in 2020..

Why am I even having this conversation with you..

Trump winning the popular vote by 3 points would be an electoral landslide.. do you know anything about how elections work?

In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral with 304. In 2020, he lost the popular vote and the electorals. For him to get a 3 point popular vote win in 2024, he would win either CA or NY(maybe both). Thats a freakin landslide by friend.

Now, enjoy your evening. Come back when you have a clue.

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Agreed

One of us doesn't have a clue about Trump's electability in 2024, if he is even the best Republican nominee available, or what constitutes a landslide.

The other is in Jupiter, Florida at the insistence of his wife looking at ocean front condos. Ain't gonna happen .

Neither is Trump in 2024 .

Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Please quotewhere I said he won in 2020..

Why am I even having this conversation with you..

Trump winning the popular vote by 3 points would be an electoral landslide.. do you know anything about how elections work?

In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral with 304. In 2020, he lost the popular vote and the electorals. For him to get a 3 point popular vote win in 2024, he would win either CA or NY(maybe both). Thats a freakin landslide by friend.

Now, enjoy your evening. Come back when you have a clue.

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Agreed

One of us doesn't have a clue about Trump's electability in 2024, if he is even the best Republican nominee available, or what constitutes a landslide.

The other is in Jupiter, Florida at the insistence of his wife looking at ocean front condos. Ain't gonna happen .

Neither is Trump in 2024 .

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If we war-game the 2024 GOP primary, it will look something like this:

There are really only 3 names that need mentioning: Trump, DeSantis, Pence. Assuming all three men are healthy, here's how the war game plays out.

1) DeSantis will not run. He has no clear path and will play kingmaker. Key factors to keep in mind:
a) he is the heir apparent to Trumpism
b) he can't beat Trump at Trumpism
c) he can't beat Pence at establishmentarianism
d) he is the Gov of Florida. (and FL is the state that winnows the primary field).
e) the table is set for his endorsement to tip the scales.
f) if he endorses Trump, he guarantees his succession as leader of the movement, no matter what.
g) if he endorses Pence, does his position in the GOP improve, deteriorate, or become less clear? (does he win more followers than he alienates with a Pence endorsement, or a Trump endorsement)
h) at this point, the Trump endorsement clearly has far less downside. Will that still be true for 2024?

2) Trump likely wins Iowa
3) Pence likely wins NH
4) Trump likely wins SC.
5) Both men enter FL with enough cash to continue, but Trump is ahead and SuperTuesday favors him.
6) What does DeSantis do? (see #1 above).
7) If Pence does not WIN Florida, game over. (see Bush, Jeb!)

Barring eschemic event, Trump is your nominee. Get ready for it. Plan for it. He's got a large and growing bi-racial working class coalition. it may not matter what soccer-moms do, although there is no realistic scenario where they stick tight with Dems, given current conditions which can't really change much. Progressives are in control of the Dems and are doing what they want to do. They will not do a Slick Willy and change course. So current conditions are a fair reflection of best-case conditions 24 months from now. Worse, their coalition and their math looks very bad. Two year old analysis, playing out about as expected.....
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/david-shor-2020-democrats-autopsy-hispanic-vote-midterms-trump-gop.html

Here's what the Democrats are facing. They are in a world of hurt.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/biden-2024-democrats-search-for-alternative.html

There is no guarantee Biden will be fit to run for re-election. The bigger problem is the GOP has no candidates that can appeal to Democrats. You need those Democrat votes for any GOP candidate to win.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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There is no guarantee Biden will be fit to run for re-election. The bigger problem is the GOP has no candidates that can appeal to Democrats. You need those Democrat votes for any GOP candidate to win.

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They need the independents just like the Dems need. That's how Biden won

Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Please quotewhere I said he won in 2020..

Why am I even having this conversation with you..

Trump winning the popular vote by 3 points would be an electoral landslide.. do you know anything about how elections work?

In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral with 304. In 2020, he lost the popular vote and the electorals. For him to get a 3 point popular vote win in 2024, he would win either CA or NY(maybe both). Thats a freakin landslide by friend.

Now, enjoy your evening. Come back when you have a clue.

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Agreed

One of us doesn't have a clue about Trump's electability in 2024, if he is even the best Republican nominee available, or what constitutes a landslide.

The other is in Jupiter, Florida at the insistence of his wife looking at ocean front condos. Ain't gonna happen .

Neither is Trump in 2024 .

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you can hand the shovel over any time you feel like it.. or keep digging.. i like being amused

Cobretti said:

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Millions from Biden's COVID relief bill went to museum, university programs pushing social, climate justicehttps://t.co/JJfnu2n04X

— Fox News (@FoxNews) May 25, 2022

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I follow a source that dissects spending bills and every single one of these bills are filled with pork and waste.

Well connected people get their hands in these cookie jars and there's nothing left for the people who funded it.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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There is no guarantee Biden will be fit to run for re-election. The bigger problem is the GOP has no candidates that can appeal to Democrats. You need those Democrat votes for any GOP candidate to win.

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They always say that, but it never seems to work out that way.

Except for Trump. He's the guy who brought millions of blue-collar democrats in Rust Belt states over to the GOP. He's the guy who finally broke the Democrat hold on the Hispanic vote. He's the Republican who got a historically high percentage of the black vote.

you see, he does have "cross-over appeal." Just not with the more genteel voters you would prefer to talk about.

And there's been plenty of polling posted here by me and others showing that the crossover independent voter regrets voting Biden, that they wouldn't have voted Biden had they known about Hunter's laptop, about how gas prices and food prices and rent prices, etc.....are going to drive a lot of voters to vote Republican no matter who the candidate is. And that dynamic is no restricted to the betters in the upper middle & higher classes. Ever heard of Elon Musk?

4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Please quotewhere I said he won in 2020..

Why am I even having this conversation with you..

Trump winning the popular vote by 3 points would be an electoral landslide.. do you know anything about how elections work?

In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral with 304. In 2020, he lost the popular vote and the electorals. For him to get a 3 point popular vote win in 2024, he would win either CA or NY(maybe both). Thats a freakin landslide by friend.

Now, enjoy your evening. Come back when you have a clue.

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Agreed

One of us doesn't have a clue about Trump's electability in 2024, if he is even the best Republican nominee available, or what constitutes a landslide.

The other is in Jupiter, Florida at the insistence of his wife looking at ocean front condos. Ain't gonna happen .

Neither is Trump in 2024 .

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you can hand the shovel over any time you feel like it.. or keep digging.. i like being amused

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You like being a Trump loyalist …..realities be damned .

In 2024 he will be too old …..too mouthy….increasingly erratic .

Our country needs younger , stable leadership . Time for Republicans to nominate someone who respects the office of the Presidency and the interests of our people as a whole .

Doc Holliday said:

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Cobretti said:

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Millions from Biden's COVID relief bill went to museum, university programs pushing social, climate justicehttps://t.co/JJfnu2n04X

— Fox News (@FoxNews) May 25, 2022

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I follow a source that dissects spending bills and every single one of these bills are filled with pork and waste.

Well connected people get their hands in these cookie jars and there's nothing left for the people who funded it.

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This makes me think of Ozark. There is ALWAYS a catch to it - somebody is getting a favor, or a kickback or a political promotion, etc.

Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Please quotewhere I said he won in 2020..

Why am I even having this conversation with you..

Trump winning the popular vote by 3 points would be an electoral landslide.. do you know anything about how elections work?

In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral with 304. In 2020, he lost the popular vote and the electorals. For him to get a 3 point popular vote win in 2024, he would win either CA or NY(maybe both). Thats a freakin landslide by friend.

Now, enjoy your evening. Come back when you have a clue.

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Agreed

One of us doesn't have a clue about Trump's electability in 2024, if he is even the best Republican nominee available, or what constitutes a landslide.

The other is in Jupiter, Florida at the insistence of his wife looking at ocean front condos. Ain't gonna happen .

Neither is Trump in 2024 .

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you can hand the shovel over any time you feel like it.. or keep digging.. i like being amused

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You like being a Trump loyalist …..realities be damned .

In 2024 he will be too old …..too mouthy….increasingly erratic .

Our country needs younger , stable leadership . Time for Republicans to nominate someone who respects the office of the Presidency and the interests of our people as a whole .

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you keep it up, when does your netflix comedy show drop?

I am a Trump loyalist that is so loyal I will be voting against him in the primary if he runs.. I have said that repeatedly but whatever..

This is what one hour of primary coverage on MSNBC looks like. pic.twitter.com/o8kCvKBvU7

— Bill D'Agostino (@Banned_Bill) May 25, 2022

4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Please quotewhere I said he won in 2020..

Why am I even having this conversation with you..

Trump winning the popular vote by 3 points would be an electoral landslide.. do you know anything about how elections work?

In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral with 304. In 2020, he lost the popular vote and the electorals. For him to get a 3 point popular vote win in 2024, he would win either CA or NY(maybe both). Thats a freakin landslide by friend.

Now, enjoy your evening. Come back when you have a clue.

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Agreed

One of us doesn't have a clue about Trump's electability in 2024, if he is even the best Republican nominee available, or what constitutes a landslide.

The other is in Jupiter, Florida at the insistence of his wife looking at ocean front condos. Ain't gonna happen .

Neither is Trump in 2024 .

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you can hand the shovel over any time you feel like it.. or keep digging.. i like being amused

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You like being a Trump loyalist …..realities be damned .

In 2024 he will be too old …..too mouthy….increasingly erratic .

Our country needs younger , stable leadership . Time for Republicans to nominate someone who respects the office of the Presidency and the interests of our people as a whole .

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you keep it up, when does your netflix comedy show drop?

I am a Trump loyalist that is so loyal I will be voting against him in the primary if he runs.. I have said that repeatedly but whatever..

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Whatever indeed .



Have a nice day .

For those keeping score..

2022 Trump endorsements- 100 wins, 6 losses, 2 run offs

4th and Inches said:

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For those keeping score..

2022 Trump endorsements- 100 wins, 6 losses, 2 run offs

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The Georgia loss is a big blow to Trump.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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There is no guarantee Biden will be fit to run for re-election. The bigger problem is the GOP has no candidates that can appeal to Democrats. You need those Democrat votes for any GOP candidate to win.

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That's a joke, right?

Democrats are not half the nation... and haven't been for decades.

Clinton only won because Ross Perot split the Republican vote, and Bob Dole was a horrible candidate.

Obama won because of white guilt and no one wanted to vote against the first black president... and Romney was a bad candidate.

Biden won because of 2000 mules.


The Republican don't need the Dimcrat vote. They only need to rally the base, and swing some of the independent voters. It also helps when the leftists run a horrible candidate like Hillary, Biden or Bernie.

The idea that Republicans need Dem voters is just laughable. Are you actually deluded enough to think that massive amounts of Dems voted for Trump in 2016? Maybe a few did, but no where near enough to swing the election. What happened in 2016 is that Hillary was a terrible candidate, especially in the rust belt. Her base didn't turn out because she took them for granted. Trump rallied Republicans and Independents in the rust belt, as well as other swing states like Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, etc.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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4th and Inches said:

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For those keeping score..

2022 Trump endorsements- 100 wins, 6 losses, 2 run offs

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The Georgia loss is a big blow to Trump.

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perdue was a flawed canidate and Kemp was an "ok" gov in the eyes of the GA voters

I dont know anyone that was expecting perdue to beat Kemp. Trump even admits some of those primaries were a tough hill/unwinnable

whiterock said:

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Canada2017 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Please quotewhere I said he won in 2020..

Why am I even having this conversation with you..

Trump winning the popular vote by 3 points would be an electoral landslide.. do you know anything about how elections work?

In 2016 he lost the popular vote but won the electoral with 304. In 2020, he lost the popular vote and the electorals. For him to get a 3 point popular vote win in 2024, he would win either CA or NY(maybe both). Thats a freakin landslide by friend.

Now, enjoy your evening. Come back when you have a clue.

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Agreed

One of us doesn't have a clue about Trump's electability in 2024, if he is even the best Republican nominee available, or what constitutes a landslide.

The other is in Jupiter, Florida at the insistence of his wife looking at ocean front condos. Ain't gonna happen .

Neither is Trump in 2024 .

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If we war-game the 2024 GOP primary, it will look something like this:

There are really only 3 names that need mentioning: Trump, DeSantis, Pence. Assuming all three men are healthy, here's how the war game plays out.

1) DeSantis will not run. He has no clear path and will play kingmaker. Key factors to keep in mind:
a) he is the heir apparent to Trumpism
b) he can't beat Trump at Trumpism
c) he can't beat Pence at establishmentarianism
d) he is the Gov of Florida. (and FL is the state that winnows the primary field).
e) the table is set for his endorsement to tip the scales.
f) if he endorses Trump, he guarantees his succession as leader of the movement, no matter what.
g) if he endorses Pence, does his position in the GOP improve, deteriorate, or become less clear? (does he win more followers than he alienates with a Pence endorsement, or a Trump endorsement)
h) at this point, the Trump endorsement clearly has far less downside. Will that still be true for 2024?

2) Trump likely wins Iowa
3) Pence likely wins NH
4) Trump likely wins SC.
5) Both men enter FL with enough cash to continue, but Trump is ahead and SuperTuesday favors him.
6) What does DeSantis do? (see #1 above).
7) If Pence does not WIN Florida, game over. (see Bush, Jeb!)

Barring eschemic event, Trump is your nominee. Get ready for it. Plan for it. He's got a large and growing bi-racial working class coalition. it may not matter what soccer-moms do, although there is no realistic scenario where they stick tight with Dems, given current conditions which can't really change much. Progressives are in control of the Dems and are doing what they want to do. They will not do a Slick Willy and change course. So current conditions are a fair reflection of best-case conditions 24 months from now. Worse, their coalition and their math looks very bad. Two year old analysis, playing out about as expected.....
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/david-shor-2020-democrats-autopsy-hispanic-vote-midterms-trump-gop.html

Here's what the Democrats are facing. They are in a world of hurt.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/biden-2024-democrats-search-for-alternative.html

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This is a pretty fair analysis. Will read again.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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4th and Inches said:

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For those keeping score..

2022 Trump endorsements- 100 wins, 6 losses, 2 run offs

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The Georgia loss is a big blow to Trump.

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Not really, Perdue was always a longshot. Trump just wanted to take a shot at Kemp.

At least George BIg P Bush is done.

Biden's public approval falls to 36%, lowest of his presidency

U.S. President Joe Biden's public approval rating fell this week to 36%, the lowest level of his presidency, as Americans suffered from rising inflation, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll completed on Tuesday.

The two-day national poll found that 59% of Americans disapprove of Biden's job performance. His overall approval was down six percentage points from 42% last week.

Big Data Poll

Biden Job Approval (net: -24)
Approve 37%
Disapprove 61%

Independents (net: -42)
Approve 27%
Disapprove 69%

Suburban Voters (net: -30)
Approve 34%
Disapprove 64%

2,526 LV / Public Polling Project: May

Side note- this pollster was very accurate with GA primary, best I have seen for that roller coaster of contests

Who are the 37%?

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Who are the 37%?

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DNC and a lot of bots

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Who are the 37%?

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sadly, i have at least 4 in my family(out of 11 registered voters)

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Who are the 37%?

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Blue dog Democrats .

13 PRIMARIES GOP TURNOUT:

Turnout for the GOP in the primaries INCREASED by 38% from 2018, while Democrat turnout is up just 1%

Our national press was thrown into a complete fit when the former president offered hyperbolic rhetoric concerning Iran, North Korea, or NATO. But that was Trump, writes @redsteeze.

"It's a different media rule book for Biden."

https://t.co/7QwyMZR8a9

— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) May 26, 2022

First-quarter GDP declined at a 1.5% annual pace, worse than expected. Initial jobless claims also declined, totaling 210,000, a drop of 8,000 from the previous week. https://t.co/YVGVZLz2ZI

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) May 26, 2022

Slidin’ Biden: Two Polls Show Biden’s Approval Collapsing Into The Mid-30s https://t.co/PoG7WnVaDt pic.twitter.com/HegHdCs9Bl

— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) May 26, 2022

Cobretti said:

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First-quarter GDP declined at a 1.5% annual pace, worse than expected. Initial jobless claims also declined, totaling 210,000, a drop of 8,000 from the previous week. https://t.co/YVGVZLz2ZI

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) May 26, 2022

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First time claims were down but overall claims were up.

BaylorBJM said:

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Fifty-five percent approval rating among voters. Wow.

Broken down by eligible voters thats over five million MORE than those who voted for him back in November. I suppose that puts another bullet in the already logically-riddled "81m voters" crowd.

Oh wellz, lol

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BREAKING: Approval rating for Joe Biden falls to 36%, the lowest level of his presidency, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll completed today.

— Election Wizard 🇺🇸 (@ElectionWiz) May 24, 2022

It’s not official till it’s official, but senior Biden officials tell @tylerpager & me the current plan is for Biden to cancel 10K in student debt per borrowerhttps://t.co/YWTBywoPcb

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) May 27, 2022

Cobretti said:

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It’s not official till it’s official, but senior Biden officials tell @tylerpager & me the current plan is for Biden to cancel 10K in student debt per borrowerhttps://t.co/YWTBywoPcb

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) May 27, 2022

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Ok. Now do the same for federal income taxes.

Cobretti said:

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It’s not official till it’s official, but senior Biden officials tell @tylerpager & me the current plan is for Biden to cancel 10K in student debt per borrowerhttps://t.co/YWTBywoPcb

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) May 27, 2022

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