Biden funded this mess. Blinken saying it is earmarked for Humanitarian Aid. You gave the a Line of Credit you idiots! He did it twice! Remember the Pallets of Cash?whitetrash said:Jacques Strap said:
Hunter Biden cheated on his sister-in-law with hookers funded by his daughter's college fundQuote:
According to the Mail, Hunter Biden withdrew $20,000 in December of 2018 from his daughter's college fund to pay for hookers and drugs. The kicker here is not just that Hunter Biden was cheating on his current girlfriend, his sister-in-law Hallie, or that he was prioritizing prostitutes and crack over paying child support for his illegitimate daughter Navy Joan, who was born just a few months prior. It is that the Biden family funds were fungible enough that Hunter Biden was allowed to siphon off five figures from a 529 account belonging to someone else and that he reportedly still has not paid the requisite taxes on it, a full five years later.
You mean something like giving Iran billions earmarked for agricultural and medical purposes, and they use it instead to fund an attack on Israel?
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ShooterTX said:whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
What if you pull a fire alarm and force an evacuation?
Severe prosecution for republicans, mild public criticism for democrats. Just like the J6 prosecutions were a joke when the BLM & antifa rioters were ignored.
Justice no longer exists in America when certain groups can act with impunity.
Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The "dual standard of justice" beliefs are reinforced by the actual rioters (BLM, antifa, etc) who remain in prosecuted, much less punished. How can anyone forget three years ago when multiple cities burned, widespread arson, looting, and even instances of murder took place? It was anarchy and Dem politicians looked the other way or actively encouraged them.
So, how many riots can the GOP have that should get a pass?historian said:
The "dual standard of justice" beliefs are reinforced by the actual rioters (BLM, antifa, etc) who remain in prosecuted, much less punished. How can anyone forget three years ago when multiple cities burned, widespread arson, looting, and even instances of murder took place? It was anarchy and Dem politicians looked the other way or actively encouraged them.
How many classified documents can Trump share to even out with Hillary or Joe, does he get to pick one or does he use the whole GOP allotment?
How many impeachments do the GOP get on a Dem President?
Who is keep in score? Is there a National Score Keeper? An official role? Can't use the media.
Joe Biden will not speak today "because of the Columbus Day holiday".
What a WORTHLESS piece of feces. He should be euthanized. What an embarrassment to all of us.
What a WORTHLESS piece of feces. He should be euthanized. What an embarrassment to all of us.
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I'm glad there wasn't any major conflicts this weekend in the Middle East...Cobretti said:Sunday FunDay BBQ at the WH yesterday. Today, a lid before noon. https://t.co/zEW7gavFbH
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based on his prior work, i would rather him not talk tbhJack Bauer said:I'm glad there wasn't any major conflicts this weekend in the Middle East...Cobretti said:Sunday FunDay BBQ at the WH yesterday. Today, a lid before noon. https://t.co/zEW7gavFbH
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You’d think someone would hit pause on the pre-scheduled tweets, if that’s what this is… https://t.co/uaVSThpTUB
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No riots should get a pass but it's unclear that J6 was a riot. Well, maybe the FBI infiltrators rioted.
The issue here is the hypocrisy and double standards. The Left has no room to speak about "riots" or "insurrection" when they condone those actions by their supporters.
Does any sane person believe that whatever happened on J6 compared to the months of chaos, violence, & murder in several cities in 2020? Has anyone been prosecuted yet? Have they even been arrested? Sending the J6 protestors to concentration camps while ignoring the far more numerous and dangerous criminals is the opposite of justice.
The documents Trump had were declassified and he was authorized to do that. That wasn't the case for Joe. And one of the places Joe was storing those documents was owned by the ChiComs. How convenient of him to do that gif his paymasters (the "big guy").
Trump went through two fake impeachments on trumped up charges (no pun intended) based upon no offense committed. It was 100% political theater. Granted, impeachments always are political and usually melodramatic but they also usually involve real laws that were broken. Nixon obstructed justice helping to cover up Watergate. How many crimes have Bill, Hillary, Barack, Joe, etc ad nauseum covered up??? These swamp creature are making House of Cards look more like a documentary than a drama.
The issue here is the hypocrisy and double standards. The Left has no room to speak about "riots" or "insurrection" when they condone those actions by their supporters.
Does any sane person believe that whatever happened on J6 compared to the months of chaos, violence, & murder in several cities in 2020? Has anyone been prosecuted yet? Have they even been arrested? Sending the J6 protestors to concentration camps while ignoring the far more numerous and dangerous criminals is the opposite of justice.
The documents Trump had were declassified and he was authorized to do that. That wasn't the case for Joe. And one of the places Joe was storing those documents was owned by the ChiComs. How convenient of him to do that gif his paymasters (the "big guy").
Trump went through two fake impeachments on trumped up charges (no pun intended) based upon no offense committed. It was 100% political theater. Granted, impeachments always are political and usually melodramatic but they also usually involve real laws that were broken. Nixon obstructed justice helping to cover up Watergate. How many crimes have Bill, Hillary, Barack, Joe, etc ad nauseum covered up??? These swamp creature are making House of Cards look more like a documentary than a drama.
Joe Biden deserves much blame for the attacks by the terrorists on Israel. They are funded by Iran & Biden just gave the world's #1 state sponsor of terrorism $6 billion. I wonder how many of the weapons & ammo they are using were left behind in Afghanistan by Biden's bungled withdrawal. He has been a complete disaster on foreign policy for decades and now that he's in the White House the consequences are much worse. The worst part is that whomever is his puppet master is escaping all responsibility that is the Biden disaster.
The US is now officially paying more in interests on its debt than on defense (and, as everyone knows, they spend A LOT on defense).
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) October 8, 2023
Throughout history, this is often quite a telling sign that the end of an empire is approaching...https://t.co/9Km9qhJ6ay
Jacques Strap said:The US is now officially paying more in interests on its debt than on defense (and, as everyone knows, they spend A LOT on defense).
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) October 8, 2023
Throughout history, this is often quite a telling sign that the end of an empire is approaching...https://t.co/9Km9qhJ6ay
Inevitably a result
Osodecentx said:Jacques Strap said:The US is now officially paying more in interests on its debt than on defense (and, as everyone knows, they spend A LOT on defense).
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) October 8, 2023
Throughout history, this is often quite a telling sign that the end of an empire is approaching...https://t.co/9Km9qhJ6ay
Inevitably a result
Yup, something has to change.
It willFLBear5630 said:Osodecentx said:Jacques Strap said:The US is now officially paying more in interests on its debt than on defense (and, as everyone knows, they spend A LOT on defense).
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) October 8, 2023
Throughout history, this is often quite a telling sign that the end of an empire is approaching...https://t.co/9Km9qhJ6ay
Inevitably a result
Yup, something has to change.
When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
It is.Osodecentx said:It willFLBear5630 said:Osodecentx said:Jacques Strap said:The US is now officially paying more in interests on its debt than on defense (and, as everyone knows, they spend A LOT on defense).
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) October 8, 2023
Throughout history, this is often quite a telling sign that the end of an empire is approaching...https://t.co/9Km9qhJ6ay
Inevitably a result
Yup, something has to change.
look at inflation.
inflation services debt.
No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Wow
— Tim Pool (@Timcast) September 18, 2023
A guy who made a documentary and was covering the J6 riot was sentenced as a rioter https://t.co/rxhGfeq3aj
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
You always bring in other issues.Doc Holliday said:Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
Armed Robbers and sexual assault should be prosecuted fully, No argument. ANTIFA should all be prosecuted for 2020. No doubt. Every jurisdiction determines who gets prosecuted. That is the law.
You make it sound like I am saying prosecute Jan 6th and let everyone else off. I have never said that, nor do I believe it. ALL CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
The fact that some corrupt or incompetent DAs are not prosecuting cases DOES NOT make the Jan 6th people innocent or free from prosecution. I do not get what part you don't understand. The two are not related in terms of prosecuting peoplet that broke the law on Jan 6th.
Your argument is just as bad as the corrupt and incompetent DAs, let the Jan 6th people off regardless of what they did because 2020 rioters didn't get prosecuted enough for you. If ANYONE is letting their political views make their decisions it is you.
ANTIFA, BLM and street thugs robbing, burning down buildings and assaulting people aren't being charged because political targeting is entrenched in our country.FLBear5630 said:You always bring in other issues.Doc Holliday said:Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
Armed Robbers and sexual assault should be prosecuted fully, No argument. ANTIFA should all be prosecuted for 2020. No doubt. Every jurisdiction determines who gets prosecuted. That is the law.
You make it sound like I am saying prosecute Jan 6th and let everyone else off. I have never said that, nor do I believe it. ALL CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
The fact that some corrupt or incompetent DAs are not prosecuting cases DOES NOT make the Jan 6th people innocent or free from prosecution. I do not get what part you don't understand. The two are not related in terms of prosecuting peoplet that broke the law on Jan 6th.
Your argument is just as bad as the corrupt and incompetent DAs, let the Jan 6th people off regardless of what they did because 2020 rioters didn't get prosecuted enough for you. If ANYONE is letting their political views make their decisions it is you.
One group can get away with it and the other can't. Those that get away with it commit far worse crimes. This is a MASSIVE and widespread problem.
If that doesn't change, this country will break. You need to be FAR more concerned with this issue than being gleeful about J6 grandmas dying in prison. Concerned enough to agree that we shouldn't hand down severe sentences to J6 protestors until that changes.
If only J6 protestors are prosecuted while others aren't, it will make political targeting worse. You embolden them when you don't put your foot down.
You do realize you are talking about multiple jurisdictions??Doc Holliday said:ANTIFA, BLM and street thugs robbing, burning down buildings and assaulting people aren't being charged because political targeting is entrenched in our country.FLBear5630 said:You always bring in other issues.Doc Holliday said:Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
Armed Robbers and sexual assault should be prosecuted fully, No argument. ANTIFA should all be prosecuted for 2020. No doubt. Every jurisdiction determines who gets prosecuted. That is the law.
You make it sound like I am saying prosecute Jan 6th and let everyone else off. I have never said that, nor do I believe it. ALL CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
The fact that some corrupt or incompetent DAs are not prosecuting cases DOES NOT make the Jan 6th people innocent or free from prosecution. I do not get what part you don't understand. The two are not related in terms of prosecuting peoplet that broke the law on Jan 6th.
Your argument is just as bad as the corrupt and incompetent DAs, let the Jan 6th people off regardless of what they did because 2020 rioters didn't get prosecuted enough for you. If ANYONE is letting their political views make their decisions it is you.
One group can get away with it and the other can't. Those that get away with it commit far worse crimes. This is a MASSIVE and widespread problem.
If that doesn't change, this country will break. You need to be FAR more concerned with this issue than being gleeful about J6 grandmas dying in prison. Concerned enough to agree that we shouldn't hand down severe sentences to J6 protestors until that changes.
If only J6 protestors are prosecuted while others aren't, it will make political targeting worse. You embolden them when you don't put your foot down.
ANTIFA and the riots took place in Cities. Those State's laws take precedence.
Jan 6th took place in DC, Federal law takes precedence.
You are complaining of unfairness because the Federal Courts prosecuted and the Cities/States didn't. The two are not connected. Trump's AG didn't charge Federal charges to make it a Federal crime. Once again, like Hillary and Hunter why didn't Trump's Administration do something??????
Jan 6th Grandmas? So, you are proposing doing away with the State legal system and having only a Federal one? That will be a tough pull...
By the way, the Grandma:
Convicted Jan. 6 grandma erupts at Trump for using her (nypost.com)
FLBear5630 said:You do realize you are talking about multiple jurisdictions??Doc Holliday said:ANTIFA, BLM and street thugs robbing, burning down buildings and assaulting people aren't being charged because political targeting is entrenched in our country.FLBear5630 said:You always bring in other issues.Doc Holliday said:Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
Armed Robbers and sexual assault should be prosecuted fully, No argument. ANTIFA should all be prosecuted for 2020. No doubt. Every jurisdiction determines who gets prosecuted. That is the law.
You make it sound like I am saying prosecute Jan 6th and let everyone else off. I have never said that, nor do I believe it. ALL CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
The fact that some corrupt or incompetent DAs are not prosecuting cases DOES NOT make the Jan 6th people innocent or free from prosecution. I do not get what part you don't understand. The two are not related in terms of prosecuting peoplet that broke the law on Jan 6th.
Your argument is just as bad as the corrupt and incompetent DAs, let the Jan 6th people off regardless of what they did because 2020 rioters didn't get prosecuted enough for you. If ANYONE is letting their political views make their decisions it is you.
One group can get away with it and the other can't. Those that get away with it commit far worse crimes. This is a MASSIVE and widespread problem.
If that doesn't change, this country will break. You need to be FAR more concerned with this issue than being gleeful about J6 grandmas dying in prison. Concerned enough to agree that we shouldn't hand down severe sentences to J6 protestors until that changes.
If only J6 protestors are prosecuted while others aren't, it will make political targeting worse. You embolden them when you don't put your foot down.
ANTIFA and the riots took place in Cities. Those State's laws take precedence.
Jan 6th took place in DC, Federal law takes precedence.
You are complaining of unfairness because the Federal Courts prosecuted and the Cities/States didn't. The two are not connected. Trump's AG didn't charge Federal charges to make it a Federal crime. Once again, like Hillary and Hunter why didn't Trump's Administration do something??????
Meanwhile people present at J6, many who didn't even enter the capitol are being charged and spending serious time in prison.Quote:
WASHINGTON Charges have been dropped against the remaining defendants arrested in the wake of violent protests on Inauguration Day 2017.
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia said in a statement Friday that they believe "evidence shows that a riot occurred on January 20, 2017, during which more than $100,000 in damage was caused," and that 21 people have pleaded guilty for their actions that day, including one felony.
"In light of the results in the cases brought to trial, however, the U.S. Attorney's Office has now moved to dismiss charges against the 39 remaining defendants in this matter," the statement said.
Dane Powell, of Tampa, Florida, pleaded guilty in April 2017 to a felony charge of assaulting a police officer. He was sentenced to four months. Twenty more protesters pleaded guilty to misdemeanor rioting, paid fines and were placed on probation.
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Doc Holliday said:FLBear5630 said:You do realize you are talking about multiple jurisdictions??Doc Holliday said:ANTIFA, BLM and street thugs robbing, burning down buildings and assaulting people aren't being charged because political targeting is entrenched in our country.FLBear5630 said:You always bring in other issues.Doc Holliday said:Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
Armed Robbers and sexual assault should be prosecuted fully, No argument. ANTIFA should all be prosecuted for 2020. No doubt. Every jurisdiction determines who gets prosecuted. That is the law.
You make it sound like I am saying prosecute Jan 6th and let everyone else off. I have never said that, nor do I believe it. ALL CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
The fact that some corrupt or incompetent DAs are not prosecuting cases DOES NOT make the Jan 6th people innocent or free from prosecution. I do not get what part you don't understand. The two are not related in terms of prosecuting peoplet that broke the law on Jan 6th.
Your argument is just as bad as the corrupt and incompetent DAs, let the Jan 6th people off regardless of what they did because 2020 rioters didn't get prosecuted enough for you. If ANYONE is letting their political views make their decisions it is you.
One group can get away with it and the other can't. Those that get away with it commit far worse crimes. This is a MASSIVE and widespread problem.
If that doesn't change, this country will break. You need to be FAR more concerned with this issue than being gleeful about J6 grandmas dying in prison. Concerned enough to agree that we shouldn't hand down severe sentences to J6 protestors until that changes.
If only J6 protestors are prosecuted while others aren't, it will make political targeting worse. You embolden them when you don't put your foot down.
ANTIFA and the riots took place in Cities. Those State's laws take precedence.
Jan 6th took place in DC, Federal law takes precedence.
You are complaining of unfairness because the Federal Courts prosecuted and the Cities/States didn't. The two are not connected. Trump's AG didn't charge Federal charges to make it a Federal crime. Once again, like Hillary and Hunter why didn't Trump's Administration do something??????Meanwhile people present at J6, many who didn't even enter the capitol are being charged and spending serious time in prison.Quote:
WASHINGTON Charges have been dropped against the remaining defendants arrested in the wake of violent protests on Inauguration Day 2017.
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia said in a statement Friday that they believe "evidence shows that a riot occurred on January 20, 2017, during which more than $100,000 in damage was caused," and that 21 people have pleaded guilty for their actions that day, including one felony.
"In light of the results in the cases brought to trial, however, the U.S. Attorney's Office has now moved to dismiss charges against the 39 remaining defendants in this matter," the statement said.
Dane Powell, of Tampa, Florida, pleaded guilty in April 2017 to a felony charge of assaulting a police officer. He was sentenced to four months. Twenty more protesters pleaded guilty to misdemeanor rioting, paid fines and were placed on probation.
LINK
You really should read up on what you believe. 7% have received jail time. Here is a link,
Explore NPR database of Jan. 6 Capitol riot cases and sentencing status updates : NPR
The website has the stories for everyone. They really have you worked up, you need to learn what is really happening. I am not a NPR fan, but this site goes into some depth about the people and what they did based on Court records. I
Here are the stats...
An overview of the cases so far
- Number of people charged, federal: 1,162
- Number of people who have pleaded guilty: 679
- Number of individuals who have had jury, bench, or stipulated bench trials: 150
- The number with mixed verdicts: 42
- The number convicted on all charges: 106
- The number acquitted on all charges: 2
- Number of people sentenced: 674
- The percentage of people sentenced who have received prison time: 64
- The median sentence for those who received prison time, in days: 120
- The number of cases dismissed: 6 federal
Biden just said a whole lot of nothing in his speech today. No mention of Iran.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Biden takes no questions after delivering remarks on Israel — his first public appearance since Saturday pic.twitter.com/yeE3hBVBxb
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 10, 2023
Now, ask yourself a couple of questions . . . the left was prepared to riot had Trump won the election, there were foot soldiers on the ground, ready to go . . . had Jan 6th been perpetrated by leftists, do you think 1,162 people would have been charged? Do you think there would have been 150 trials? Would there have been a congressional inquiry? Or do you think the call for unity (as opposed to revenge) would have been the national talking point? My God, the national narrative was that it was worse than Pearl Harbor.FLBear5630 said:Doc Holliday said:FLBear5630 said:You do realize you are talking about multiple jurisdictions??Doc Holliday said:ANTIFA, BLM and street thugs robbing, burning down buildings and assaulting people aren't being charged because political targeting is entrenched in our country.FLBear5630 said:You always bring in other issues.Doc Holliday said:Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
Armed Robbers and sexual assault should be prosecuted fully, No argument. ANTIFA should all be prosecuted for 2020. No doubt. Every jurisdiction determines who gets prosecuted. That is the law.
You make it sound like I am saying prosecute Jan 6th and let everyone else off. I have never said that, nor do I believe it. ALL CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
The fact that some corrupt or incompetent DAs are not prosecuting cases DOES NOT make the Jan 6th people innocent or free from prosecution. I do not get what part you don't understand. The two are not related in terms of prosecuting peoplet that broke the law on Jan 6th.
Your argument is just as bad as the corrupt and incompetent DAs, let the Jan 6th people off regardless of what they did because 2020 rioters didn't get prosecuted enough for you. If ANYONE is letting their political views make their decisions it is you.
One group can get away with it and the other can't. Those that get away with it commit far worse crimes. This is a MASSIVE and widespread problem.
If that doesn't change, this country will break. You need to be FAR more concerned with this issue than being gleeful about J6 grandmas dying in prison. Concerned enough to agree that we shouldn't hand down severe sentences to J6 protestors until that changes.
If only J6 protestors are prosecuted while others aren't, it will make political targeting worse. You embolden them when you don't put your foot down.
ANTIFA and the riots took place in Cities. Those State's laws take precedence.
Jan 6th took place in DC, Federal law takes precedence.
You are complaining of unfairness because the Federal Courts prosecuted and the Cities/States didn't. The two are not connected. Trump's AG didn't charge Federal charges to make it a Federal crime. Once again, like Hillary and Hunter why didn't Trump's Administration do something??????Meanwhile people present at J6, many who didn't even enter the capitol are being charged and spending serious time in prison.Quote:
WASHINGTON Charges have been dropped against the remaining defendants arrested in the wake of violent protests on Inauguration Day 2017.
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia said in a statement Friday that they believe "evidence shows that a riot occurred on January 20, 2017, during which more than $100,000 in damage was caused," and that 21 people have pleaded guilty for their actions that day, including one felony.
"In light of the results in the cases brought to trial, however, the U.S. Attorney's Office has now moved to dismiss charges against the 39 remaining defendants in this matter," the statement said.
Dane Powell, of Tampa, Florida, pleaded guilty in April 2017 to a felony charge of assaulting a police officer. He was sentenced to four months. Twenty more protesters pleaded guilty to misdemeanor rioting, paid fines and were placed on probation.
LINK
You really should read up on what you believe. 7% have received jail time. Here is a link,
Explore NPR database of Jan. 6 Capitol riot cases and sentencing status updates : NPR
The website has the stories for everyone. They really have you worked up, you need to learn what is really happening. I am not a NPR fan, but this site goes into some depth about the people and what they did based on Court records. I
Here are the stats...
An overview of the cases so far
- Number of people charged, federal: 1,162
- Number of people who have pleaded guilty: 679
- Number of individuals who have had jury, bench, or stipulated bench trials: 150
- The number with mixed verdicts: 42
- The number convicted on all charges: 106
- The number acquitted on all charges: 2
- Number of people sentenced: 674
- The percentage of people sentenced who have received prison time: 64
- The median sentence for those who received prison time, in days: 120
- The number of cases dismissed: 6 federal
You know the answers; everyone does - which is what makes this political hackery.
There are two systems of justice. Everyone sees it.
Some folks prefer the view underground.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
They stormed Congress during Voter Certification. A Capital Policeman died. The HOR had to leave the Chambers. Secret Service had to draw weapons. You thought they would ignore it?GrowlTowel said:Now, ask yourself a couple of questions . . . the left was prepared to riot had Trump won the election, there were foot soldiers on the ground, ready to go . . . had Jan 6th been perpetrated by leftists, do you think 1,162 people would have been charged? Do you think there would have been 150 trials? Would there have been a congressional inquiry? Or do you think the call for unity (as opposed to revenge) would have been the national talking point? My God, the national narrative was that it was worse than Pearl Harbor.FLBear5630 said:Doc Holliday said:FLBear5630 said:You do realize you are talking about multiple jurisdictions??Doc Holliday said:ANTIFA, BLM and street thugs robbing, burning down buildings and assaulting people aren't being charged because political targeting is entrenched in our country.FLBear5630 said:You always bring in other issues.Doc Holliday said:Dude they're throwing people in jail who didn't even enter the building.FLBear5630 said:No, it is not that theoretical. The building was closed, you trespassed. Cut and dry, not a political philosophical discussion. They only took selfies, they may get a suspended sentence. If they have proof that someone let them in and said the building was open, case dismissed. THEY WENT INSIDE A CLOSED FEDERAL BUILDING WHILE A RIOT WAS GOING ON. That is not a gray area. You are overthinking it.whiterock said:When that is the standard for one side but not the other, you have a real problem.FLBear5630 said:Once again you go to polling. What people think and what actually happened are not alway, actually rarely, the same thing. You should know this based on your background. It doesn't matter if 100% think it was a picnic.whiterock said:Your argument presumes that the whole show was a riot. Not true. Most of the people who went inside that day did not engage in the behavior you describe. The doors were open, not broken down. Once they're open, how is someone to know they were supposed to be closed? lots of videos showing demonstrators standing calmly talking to CAPO, taking direction from CAPO, staying within rope lines, etc... Sure, that's not representative of the whole picture. But neither are the photos of the hand to hand tussling with CAPO and banging at the doors.FLBear5630 said:Huge difference between arguing a point and attacking the closed door to the point the Secret Service drew weapons.whiterock said:a few. most walked around, took selfies, and left of their own accord. insurrection it was not......FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:but not in revolt, which is how they're being treated.FLBear5630 said:Dude, the J6 people deserve what they got. I watched that, it was inexcusable. They were wrong.historian said:
What our Gestapo (aka FBI) are labeling domestic terrorism is anything but. The fascists have already started jailing people randomly (J6 protestors). We have no reason your believe they won't continue this tyranny. When they call parents "domestic terrorists" for protesting the perversion they put in schools or protesting the mass murder of innocent Americans in the womb, anything is possible.
They broke into Congress and threatened elected officials. That isn't going to be a slap on the wrist, nor does the US want that.
Many were charged with "obstructing an official proceeding." Think about the precedence that sets..... You walk in. Say something the chair doesn't like. Chair adjourns the meeting over safety concerns. And you now have to hire a lawyer. I'm amazed it hasn't already happened.
Yes, some were taking selfies. Come on, you see the guys pop smoke, storm the doors, the Police are trying to keep you out of a Federal building. What do you do? I think I am going inside and take a picture???? Think about it. The only ones charged went inside. There were hundreds of selfies taken outside and nobody said a word. You really go inside? You wear combat gear with radios and go inside? You bring a Confederate Battle Flag inside?
We all saw what happened that day, you really think it is all right to go inside? They should get a ticket?
Just stand back and look at the discussion we're having. Was it a riot or not? Reasonable people can find common ground on that = sorta, in some places yes, in some places no, in all places not acceptable. But Democrats need it to be an insurrection, so it is as far as the media and law enforcement is concerned. Because the congregants were Republicans.
look at the polling. by numbers approaching 70% the American people think the riot was instigated by by federal agents. Forget the minutia of how the question was asked and margins of error, etc.....you could cut that number in half and it should still alarm you. A lot of Americans did not trust government, so they demonstrated. A riot broke out. And as a result of it all, an even larger part of the American people trust government even less. And the harsh treatment of rioters is furthering the "dual standard of justice" narrative.
the investigations/ prosecutions are the furthest thing from keystone cops. Serious business. But the decision to frame it as an insurrection and crack down harshly has been counterproductive, to say the least.
You also go into "two justice systems" and that crap when discussing individual actions. Did you break the law? Yes or no. The Capital was not open for business, any reasonable person could tell that this was not normal operations. You are mistaking staff trying to de-escalate for permission. Like it or not, the Feds can control and shut Federal land, including the Capital.
Sorry, anyone that went inside should be prosecuted. Anyone that stayed outside and did not take part in violence is good. Very simple, the only ones trying to muddy it are those with an agenda. Sorry, that is my view. Going in and putting your feet up on the Speaker of the Houses desk, when is that acceptable to any reasonable person? We break and go through windows everyday...
The polling just gives you an indicator for where you are. When one side is convinced it cannot get a fair deal, you have a serious problem. And at this point in time, the people in power are doubling down on that serious problem with highly political prosecutions of the front-runner of the opposing party.....a front-runner who is actually leading the incumbent. That of course is not dispositive in all things, but neither can you ignore it, as you consistently do.
Perceptions matter, and nowhere moreso than in politics.
Years in prison!
Contrast that to armed robbers and men committing physical/sexual assault and getting a slap on the wrist.
You're supporting unequal application of law because of your political views
Armed Robbers and sexual assault should be prosecuted fully, No argument. ANTIFA should all be prosecuted for 2020. No doubt. Every jurisdiction determines who gets prosecuted. That is the law.
You make it sound like I am saying prosecute Jan 6th and let everyone else off. I have never said that, nor do I believe it. ALL CRIMES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
The fact that some corrupt or incompetent DAs are not prosecuting cases DOES NOT make the Jan 6th people innocent or free from prosecution. I do not get what part you don't understand. The two are not related in terms of prosecuting peoplet that broke the law on Jan 6th.
Your argument is just as bad as the corrupt and incompetent DAs, let the Jan 6th people off regardless of what they did because 2020 rioters didn't get prosecuted enough for you. If ANYONE is letting their political views make their decisions it is you.
One group can get away with it and the other can't. Those that get away with it commit far worse crimes. This is a MASSIVE and widespread problem.
If that doesn't change, this country will break. You need to be FAR more concerned with this issue than being gleeful about J6 grandmas dying in prison. Concerned enough to agree that we shouldn't hand down severe sentences to J6 protestors until that changes.
If only J6 protestors are prosecuted while others aren't, it will make political targeting worse. You embolden them when you don't put your foot down.
ANTIFA and the riots took place in Cities. Those State's laws take precedence.
Jan 6th took place in DC, Federal law takes precedence.
You are complaining of unfairness because the Federal Courts prosecuted and the Cities/States didn't. The two are not connected. Trump's AG didn't charge Federal charges to make it a Federal crime. Once again, like Hillary and Hunter why didn't Trump's Administration do something??????Meanwhile people present at J6, many who didn't even enter the capitol are being charged and spending serious time in prison.Quote:
WASHINGTON Charges have been dropped against the remaining defendants arrested in the wake of violent protests on Inauguration Day 2017.
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia said in a statement Friday that they believe "evidence shows that a riot occurred on January 20, 2017, during which more than $100,000 in damage was caused," and that 21 people have pleaded guilty for their actions that day, including one felony.
"In light of the results in the cases brought to trial, however, the U.S. Attorney's Office has now moved to dismiss charges against the 39 remaining defendants in this matter," the statement said.
Dane Powell, of Tampa, Florida, pleaded guilty in April 2017 to a felony charge of assaulting a police officer. He was sentenced to four months. Twenty more protesters pleaded guilty to misdemeanor rioting, paid fines and were placed on probation.
LINK
You really should read up on what you believe. 7% have received jail time. Here is a link,
Explore NPR database of Jan. 6 Capitol riot cases and sentencing status updates : NPR
The website has the stories for everyone. They really have you worked up, you need to learn what is really happening. I am not a NPR fan, but this site goes into some depth about the people and what they did based on Court records. I
Here are the stats...
An overview of the cases so far
- Number of people charged, federal: 1,162
- Number of people who have pleaded guilty: 679
- Number of individuals who have had jury, bench, or stipulated bench trials: 150
- The number with mixed verdicts: 42
- The number convicted on all charges: 106
- The number acquitted on all charges: 2
- Number of people sentenced: 674
- The percentage of people sentenced who have received prison time: 64
- The median sentence for those who received prison time, in days: 120
- The number of cases dismissed: 6 federal
You know the answers; everyone does - which is what makes this political hackery.
There are two systems of justice. Everyone sees it.
You thought they would get a slap on the wrist? That this was the same as a COVID riot in Portland? Who is living in a dream world? Everyone with a shred of common sense knew two things after January 6th.
Trump was going to be investigated and indicted
Those that did this would be made examples, they would throw the book at them.
You really thought they would just say it was political demonstration and call it a day?????
There is a lot of spittle on your screen right now, judging by that little outburst.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier