Biden Approval Ratings

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Joe makes it easy for him.
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But LOOK OUT - there are 5 paid actors posing as white supremacists!

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If there were as many white supremacists in this country as the Left claims, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and the rest of the Squad would already all be having breakfast with Allah.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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Cleanup on Aisle WhiteHouse!

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The left is in a pickle of their own creation: they are trying to satisfy both sides and that is impossible. Unfortunately it's probably too much to hope that enough of the supporters will see through their lies and deceptions and hypocrisy.
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And yet 75% still like the corrupt old pervert.
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historian said:

And yet 75% still like the corrupt old pervert.
Yesterday the ballot ballot was Mr. Trump 44.8%, Mr. Biden 44.1%.
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The election is a year away. Much can happen over those 12 months, such as the Dems inventing new ways to steal it.
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historian said:

The election is a year away. Much can happen over those 12 months, such as the Dems inventing new ways to steal it.
My point was that Biden is terrible, most Democrats and no Republicans don't want him to run. And yet Biden is within the margin of error. Why do you think that is?
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Good question. I'm not sure but there are multiplie possible answers & it may not be the one that seems obvious. Also, polls this early don't mean too much & polls in general tend to be skewed in favor of Democrats. The end results are often at least a few points in the other direction.
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not sure that it matters if he is alive..
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"He's down 9 points in the ABC poll nationally. He's down in 5 of 6 battleground states. His approval numbers are almost at historic lows... He's poised to lose the next election to Donald Trump...

50% of Democrats, even more, want a different nominee. 83% of Democrats under 30 want a different nominee...

He beat Trump by about 40,000 votes in 2020. Anybody who can make the case to me that he's in a better position now than he was then, then we're living in different worlds."
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"He's down 9 points in the ABC poll nationally. He's down in 5 of 6 battleground states. His approval numbers are almost at historic lows... He's poised to lose the next election to Donald Trump...

50% of Democrats, even more, want a different nominee. 83% of Democrats under 30 want a different nominee...

He beat Trump by about 40,000 votes in 2020. Anybody who can make the case to me that he's in a better position now than he was then, then we're living in different worlds."

it's more likely to get worse for Biden than better.
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whiterock said:

Cobretti said:



Quote:

"He's down 9 points in the ABC poll nationally. He's down in 5 of 6 battleground states. His approval numbers are almost at historic lows... He's poised to lose the next election to Donald Trump...

50% of Democrats, even more, want a different nominee. 83% of Democrats under 30 want a different nominee...

He beat Trump by about 40,000 votes in 2020. Anybody who can make the case to me that he's in a better position now than he was then, then we're living in different worlds."

it's more likely to get worse for Biden than better.
I starting to believe that neither he or Trump will be the nominees. Both have too many negatives and I am getting a feeling that the Nation needs to move on. Just one of those national feelings that permeates.

I think you may see a younger alternative on both sides. it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the Primary. The feeling is like the 1992 election where a Clinton came out of the blue. If I remember correctly, he was not the favorite until after Super Tuesday. Just a feeling...
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Cobretti said:



Quote:

"He's down 9 points in the ABC poll nationally. He's down in 5 of 6 battleground states. His approval numbers are almost at historic lows... He's poised to lose the next election to Donald Trump...

50% of Democrats, even more, want a different nominee. 83% of Democrats under 30 want a different nominee...

He beat Trump by about 40,000 votes in 2020. Anybody who can make the case to me that he's in a better position now than he was then, then we're living in different worlds."

it's more likely to get worse for Biden than better.
I starting to believe that neither he or Trump will be the nominees. Both have too many negatives and I am getting a feeling that the Nation needs to move on. Just one of those national feelings that permeates.

I think you may see a younger alternative on both sides. it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the Primary. The feeling is like the 1992 election where a Clinton came out of the blue. If I remember correctly, he was not the favorite until after Super Tuesday. Just a feeling...
don't let a sense of what "should be" get in the way of "what is." Reality is, the two coalitions each have assessed that their current leadership is viable and there is no alternative which remotely holds terribly high odds of improvement. And the clock is ticking. Numerous filing deadline dates are near...days/weeks. Approaching implausibility.....


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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Cobretti said:



Quote:

"He's down 9 points in the ABC poll nationally. He's down in 5 of 6 battleground states. His approval numbers are almost at historic lows... He's poised to lose the next election to Donald Trump...

50% of Democrats, even more, want a different nominee. 83% of Democrats under 30 want a different nominee...

He beat Trump by about 40,000 votes in 2020. Anybody who can make the case to me that he's in a better position now than he was then, then we're living in different worlds."

it's more likely to get worse for Biden than better.
I starting to believe that neither he or Trump will be the nominees. Both have too many negatives and I am getting a feeling that the Nation needs to move on. Just one of those national feelings that permeates.

I think you may see a younger alternative on both sides. it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the Primary. The feeling is like the 1992 election where a Clinton came out of the blue. If I remember correctly, he was not the favorite until after Super Tuesday. Just a feeling...
Certainly neither Biden nor Trump are saying the things that will win over undecided voters. And for all the noise about polls, I don't see either Biden or Trump pulling more than 45%, which suggests to me that voters are open to someone else if they can just make a good case.

Clinton took off in 1992 because he a) had a good foundation as a successful governor, b) waited for the early noise to boil down (anyone remember Paul Tsongas was the first to jump into the race? How did he end up?), c) Clinton was able to read the room and ran as a moderate, especially on social issues, and d) Clinton was young and charismatic.

So think - who today fits those qualities?
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Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

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"He's down 9 points in the ABC poll nationally. He's down in 5 of 6 battleground states. His approval numbers are almost at historic lows... He's poised to lose the next election to Donald Trump...

50% of Democrats, even more, want a different nominee. 83% of Democrats under 30 want a different nominee...

He beat Trump by about 40,000 votes in 2020. Anybody who can make the case to me that he's in a better position now than he was then, then we're living in different worlds."

it's more likely to get worse for Biden than better.
I starting to believe that neither he or Trump will be the nominees. Both have too many negatives and I am getting a feeling that the Nation needs to move on. Just one of those national feelings that permeates.

I think you may see a younger alternative on both sides. it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the Primary. The feeling is like the 1992 election where a Clinton came out of the blue. If I remember correctly, he was not the favorite until after Super Tuesday. Just a feeling...
Certainly neither Biden nor Trump are saying the things that will win over undecided voters. And for all the noise about polls, I don't see either Biden or Trump pulling more than 45%, which suggests to me that voters are open to someone else if they can just make a good case.

Clinton took off in 1992 because he a) had a good foundation as a successful governor, b) waited for the early noise to boil down (anyone remember Paul Tsongas was the first to jump into the race? How did he end up?), c) Clinton was able to read the room and ran as a moderate, especially on social issues, and d) Clinton was young and charismatic.

So think - who today fits those qualities?
That is a good question. Also, Clinton fit what the 90's wanted, which will differ from today. Clinton fit our generation. So, who fits the mellanial generation? At first Ramaswami fit the bill, but he fell off when people started listening.

I think that Newsome will end up the Dem Nominee he checks all their boxes. We say he was unsuccessful in CA, they see that he actually implemented the agenda.

As for the GOP, thought DeSantis at first. Haley, may be too much 90's globalist for this electorate and can she be the first female Pres? Now, DeSantis fits the bill, except he is as likeable as a rock. Pres needs charisma to win. I fear Newsome will talk rings around him, even though DeSantis will win on substance.

I think in the end, DeSantis is last man standing, in spite of himself...
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historian said:

Good question. I'm not sure but there are multiplie possible answers & it may not be the one that seems obvious. Also, polls this early don't mean too much & polls in general tend to be skewed in favor of Democrats. The end results are often at least a few points in the other direction.
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The party that picks a different nominee establishes a massive advantage.

Usually, although not always, what's obvious prevails in politics.

It was pretty obvious, for instance, that Joe Biden was a stronger general-election candidate in 2020 than Bernie Sanders, and lo and behold, Biden rose from the dead and won the Democratic nomination.

Sometimes passion, calculated risk-taking, delusion, or stasis overwhelms the obvious, though. When this happens to one party think of the Goldwater or McGovern nominations it often suffers a debacle. But what if both parties succumb to these forces at the same time?

Then you get a clash of weakness where both parties risk throwing away a winnable race through their insistence on fielding desperately flawed candidates unpalatable to the larger public.

The Republican reaction to the likely renomination of Joe Biden is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your unpopular incumbent who looks as if he could tip over at any moment with an unpopular former president who will likely be convicted of felonies next year."

The Democratic reaction to the likely renomination of Donald Trump is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your radioactive standard-bearer with a president who is trailing him in polls and who most people think can't serve another four years."

Both parties think they are going to win anyway, but even if they are right, their chances of victory would go up appreciably if they switched away from their current presumptive nominees.

A generic Democrat who is not festooned with Biden's failures and weaknesses and is not in his or her 80s would almost certainly beat Trump handily. (Kamala Harris does not meet the definition of such a Democrat.)

A generic Republican who hasn't spent years making him- or herself hateful to suburbanites, who isn't wedded to ridiculous yarns about the 2020 election, and who isn't in serious legal jeopardy in multiple jurisdictions would almost certainly beat Biden handily.

According to the latest USA Today/Suffolk poll, Trump leads Biden on who's best to handle the economy, foreign affairs, and the border, while surveys consistently find that about three-quarters have doubts about Biden's ability to continue in the office for another term.

And yet the mandarins of the Democratic Party believe that he's best suited to beating Trump.

On the other hand, despite all his troubles, Biden has a higher favorable rating (39 percent positive, 49 percent negative) than Trump (35 percent positive, 54 percent negative), according to a recent NBC News poll.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/theres-one-easy-trick-to-winning-in-2024/



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Osodecentx said:

historian said:

Good question. I'm not sure but there are multiplie possible answers & it may not be the one that seems obvious. Also, polls this early don't mean too much & polls in general tend to be skewed in favor of Democrats. The end results are often at least a few points in the other direction.
There's One Easy Trick to Winning in 2024


The party that picks a different nominee establishes a massive advantage.

Usually, although not always, what's obvious prevails in politics.

It was pretty obvious, for instance, that Joe Biden was a stronger general-election candidate in 2020 than Bernie Sanders, and lo and behold, Biden rose from the dead and won the Democratic nomination.

Sometimes passion, calculated risk-taking, delusion, or stasis overwhelms the obvious, though. When this happens to one party think of the Goldwater or McGovern nominations it often suffers a debacle. But what if both parties succumb to these forces at the same time?

Then you get a clash of weakness where both parties risk throwing away a winnable race through their insistence on fielding desperately flawed candidates unpalatable to the larger public.

The Republican reaction to the likely renomination of Joe Biden is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your unpopular incumbent who looks as if he could tip over at any moment with an unpopular former president who will likely be convicted of felonies next year."

The Democratic reaction to the likely renomination of Donald Trump is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your radioactive standard-bearer with a president who is trailing him in polls and who most people think can't serve another four years."

Both parties think they are going to win anyway, but even if they are right, their chances of victory would go up appreciably if they switched away from their current presumptive nominees.

A generic Democrat who is not festooned with Biden's failures and weaknesses and is not in his or her 80s would almost certainly beat Trump handily. (Kamala Harris does not meet the definition of such a Democrat.

A generic Republican who hasn't spent years making him- or herself hateful to suburbanites, who isn't wedded to ridiculous yarns about the 2020 election, and who isn't in serious legal jeopardy in multiple jurisdictions would almost certainly beat Biden handily.

According to the latest USA Today/Suffolk poll, Trump leads Biden on who's best to handle the economy, foreign affairs, and the border, while surveys consistently find that about three-quarters have doubts about Biden's ability to continue in the office for another term.

And yet the mandarins of the Democratic Party believe that he's best suited to beating Trump.

On the other hand, despite all his troubles, Biden has a higher favorable rating (39 percent positive, 49 percent negative) than Trump (35 percent positive, 54 percent negative), according to a recent NBC News poll.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/theres-one-easy-trick-to-winning-in-2024/




That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, the article was published in the NeverTrump News, so it's not like there is spin going on there.

Note the favorability numbers are basically standard of deviation....not enough difference to matter, or at least matter enough. Another big difference is party support. Trump support within the GOP is considerably stronger, roughly 2x stronger, while Biden is not only behind but losing ground within his own party. That creates a big obstacle for Democrats in a turnout election. Dems see that, ergo the numerous articles about needing an alternative. But they also perceive Biden is their best head-to-head option with Trump (see favorability numbers, above), whom they know has rock-solid support of an excited base.

Problem for both parties is.....there is no obvious successor. every single alternative has (or seems likely to have) one or more problems to overcome. So both parties are, for now, sticking with the devil they know, the coalition they know, and will appeal to the voters they know. It will take some exogenous event - health crisis, major scandal, major war escalation, domestic terror event, pandemic, etc......to shake that dynamic up. Don't rule any of that out.... But odds are, both sides will chose to stick with the turnout election model the can see and try to get their guy across the line, because no one else seems likely enough to build a bigger coalition on either side.
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

historian said:

Good question. I'm not sure but there are multiplie possible answers & it may not be the one that seems obvious. Also, polls this early don't mean too much & polls in general tend to be skewed in favor of Democrats. The end results are often at least a few points in the other direction.
There's One Easy Trick to Winning in 2024


The party that picks a different nominee establishes a massive advantage.

Usually, although not always, what's obvious prevails in politics.

It was pretty obvious, for instance, that Joe Biden was a stronger general-election candidate in 2020 than Bernie Sanders, and lo and behold, Biden rose from the dead and won the Democratic nomination.

Sometimes passion, calculated risk-taking, delusion, or stasis overwhelms the obvious, though. When this happens to one party think of the Goldwater or McGovern nominations it often suffers a debacle. But what if both parties succumb to these forces at the same time?

Then you get a clash of weakness where both parties risk throwing away a winnable race through their insistence on fielding desperately flawed candidates unpalatable to the larger public.

The Republican reaction to the likely renomination of Joe Biden is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your unpopular incumbent who looks as if he could tip over at any moment with an unpopular former president who will likely be convicted of felonies next year."

The Democratic reaction to the likely renomination of Donald Trump is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your radioactive standard-bearer with a president who is trailing him in polls and who most people think can't serve another four years."

Both parties think they are going to win anyway, but even if they are right, their chances of victory would go up appreciably if they switched away from their current presumptive nominees.

A generic Democrat who is not festooned with Biden's failures and weaknesses and is not in his or her 80s would almost certainly beat Trump handily. (Kamala Harris does not meet the definition of such a Democrat.

A generic Republican who hasn't spent years making him- or herself hateful to suburbanites, who isn't wedded to ridiculous yarns about the 2020 election, and who isn't in serious legal jeopardy in multiple jurisdictions would almost certainly beat Biden handily.

According to the latest USA Today/Suffolk poll, Trump leads Biden on who's best to handle the economy, foreign affairs, and the border, while surveys consistently find that about three-quarters have doubts about Biden's ability to continue in the office for another term.

And yet the mandarins of the Democratic Party believe that he's best suited to beating Trump.

On the other hand, despite all his troubles, Biden has a higher favorable rating (39 percent positive, 49 percent negative) than Trump (35 percent positive, 54 percent negative), according to a recent NBC News poll.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/theres-one-easy-trick-to-winning-in-2024/




That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, the article was published in the NeverTrump News, so it's not like there is spin going on there.

Note the favorability numbers are basically standard of deviation....not enough difference to matter, or at least matter enough. Another big difference is party support. Trump support within the GOP is considerably stronger, roughly 2x stronger, while Biden is not only behind but losing ground within his own party. That creates a big obstacle for Democrats in a turnout election. Dems see that, ergo the numerous articles about needing an alternative. But they also perceive Biden is their best head-to-head option with Trump (see favorability numbers, above), whom they know has rock-solid support of an excited base.

Problem for both parties is.....there is no obvious successor. every single alternative has (or seems likely to have) one or more problems to overcome. So both parties are, for now, sticking with the devil they know, the coalition they know, and will appeal to the voters they know. It will take some exogenous event - health crisis, major scandal, major war escalation, domestic terror event, pandemic, etc......to shake that dynamic up. Don't rule any of that out.... But odds are, both sides will chose to stick with the turnout election model the can see and try to get their guy across the line, because no one else seems likely enough to build a bigger coalition on either side.
That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, your post was authored by the Always Trump All the Time Spin machine.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

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Cobretti said:



Quote:

"He's down 9 points in the ABC poll nationally. He's down in 5 of 6 battleground states. His approval numbers are almost at historic lows... He's poised to lose the next election to Donald Trump...

50% of Democrats, even more, want a different nominee. 83% of Democrats under 30 want a different nominee...

He beat Trump by about 40,000 votes in 2020. Anybody who can make the case to me that he's in a better position now than he was then, then we're living in different worlds."

it's more likely to get worse for Biden than better.
I starting to believe that neither he or Trump will be the nominees. Both have too many negatives and I am getting a feeling that the Nation needs to move on. Just one of those national feelings that permeates.

I think you may see a younger alternative on both sides. it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the Primary. The feeling is like the 1992 election where a Clinton came out of the blue. If I remember correctly, he was not the favorite until after Super Tuesday. Just a feeling...
don't let a sense of what "should be" get in the way of "what is." Reality is, the two coalitions each have assessed that their current leadership is viable and there is no alternative which remotely holds terribly high odds of improvement. And the clock is ticking. Numerous filing deadline dates are near...days/weeks. Approaching implausibility.....



BTW, thanks for posting this. It is helpful
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