AI is very likely to be the end of society. Equity is the least of the problems associated with it.

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AI is very likely to be the end of society. Equity is the least of the problems associated with it.

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Centralized and government controlled AI is the issue.

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AI is very likely to be the end of society. Equity is the least of the problems associated with it.

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Centralized and government controlled AI is the issue.

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Who controls the AI is only a small part of the issue. It certainly takes something risky and makes its more dangerous but it's dangerous in and of itself.

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Good question. I'm not sure but there are multiplie possible answers & it may not be the one that seems obvious. Also, polls this early don't mean too much & polls in general tend to be skewed in favor of Democrats. The end results are often at least a few points in the other direction.

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There's One Easy Trick to Winning in 2024


The party that picks a different nominee establishes a massive advantage.

Usually, although not always, what's obvious prevails in politics.

It was pretty obvious, for instance, that Joe Biden was a stronger general-election candidate in 2020 than Bernie Sanders, and lo and behold, Biden rose from the dead and won the Democratic nomination.

Sometimes passion, calculated risk-taking, delusion, or stasis overwhelms the obvious, though. When this happens to one party think of the Goldwater or McGovern nominations it often suffers a debacle. But what if both parties succumb to these forces at the same time?

Then you get a clash of weakness where both parties risk throwing away a winnable race through their insistence on fielding desperately flawed candidates unpalatable to the larger public.

The Republican reaction to the likely renomination of Joe Biden is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your unpopular incumbent who looks as if he could tip over at any moment with an unpopular former president who will likely be convicted of felonies next year."

The Democratic reaction to the likely renomination of Donald Trump is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your radioactive standard-bearer with a president who is trailing him in polls and who most people think can't serve another four years."

Both parties think they are going to win anyway, but even if they are right, their chances of victory would go up appreciably if they switched away from their current presumptive nominees.

A generic Democrat who is not festooned with Biden's failures and weaknesses and is not in his or her 80s would almost certainly beat Trump handily. (Kamala Harris does not meet the definition of such a Democrat.

A generic Republican who hasn't spent years making him- or herself hateful to suburbanites, who isn't wedded to ridiculous yarns about the 2020 election, and who isn't in serious legal jeopardy in multiple jurisdictions would almost certainly beat Biden handily.

According to the latest USA Today/Suffolk poll, Trump leads Biden on who's best to handle the economy, foreign affairs, and the border, while surveys consistently find that about three-quarters have doubts about Biden's ability to continue in the office for another term.

And yet the mandarins of the Democratic Party believe that he's best suited to beating Trump.

On the other hand, despite all his troubles, Biden has a higher favorable rating (39 percent positive, 49 percent negative) than Trump (35 percent positive, 54 percent negative), according to a recent NBC News poll.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/theres-one-easy-trick-to-winning-in-2024/

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That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, the article was published in the NeverTrump News, so it's not like there is spin going on there.

Note the favorability numbers are basically standard of deviation....not enough difference to matter, or at least matter enough. Another big difference is party support. Trump support within the GOP is considerably stronger, roughly 2x stronger, while Biden is not only behind but losing ground within his own party. That creates a big obstacle for Democrats in a turnout election. Dems see that, ergo the numerous articles about needing an alternative. But they also perceive Biden is their best head-to-head option with Trump (see favorability numbers, above), whom they know has rock-solid support of an excited base.

Problem for both parties is.....there is no obvious successor. every single alternative has (or seems likely to have) one or more problems to overcome. So both parties are, for now, sticking with the devil they know, the coalition they know, and will appeal to the voters they know. It will take some exogenous event - health crisis, major scandal, major war escalation, domestic terror event, pandemic, etc......to shake that dynamic up. Don't rule any of that out.... But odds are, both sides will chose to stick with the turnout election model the can see and try to get their guy across the line, because no one else seems likely enough to build a bigger coalition on either side.

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That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, your post was authored by the Always Trump All the Time Spin machine.

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LOL anything other than neverTrump nonsense is pro-Trump spin. Got it.

Find me another candidate who can beat him and I'll get excited about it. Until then, I'll keep trying to tell you why you're neverTrump nonsense is not working.

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Good question. I'm not sure but there are multiplie possible answers & it may not be the one that seems obvious. Also, polls this early don't mean too much & polls in general tend to be skewed in favor of Democrats. The end results are often at least a few points in the other direction.

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There's One Easy Trick to Winning in 2024


The party that picks a different nominee establishes a massive advantage.

Usually, although not always, what's obvious prevails in politics.

It was pretty obvious, for instance, that Joe Biden was a stronger general-election candidate in 2020 than Bernie Sanders, and lo and behold, Biden rose from the dead and won the Democratic nomination.

Sometimes passion, calculated risk-taking, delusion, or stasis overwhelms the obvious, though. When this happens to one party think of the Goldwater or McGovern nominations it often suffers a debacle. But what if both parties succumb to these forces at the same time?

Then you get a clash of weakness where both parties risk throwing away a winnable race through their insistence on fielding desperately flawed candidates unpalatable to the larger public.

The Republican reaction to the likely renomination of Joe Biden is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your unpopular incumbent who looks as if he could tip over at any moment with an unpopular former president who will likely be convicted of felonies next year."

The Democratic reaction to the likely renomination of Donald Trump is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your radioactive standard-bearer with a president who is trailing him in polls and who most people think can't serve another four years."

Both parties think they are going to win anyway, but even if they are right, their chances of victory would go up appreciably if they switched away from their current presumptive nominees.

A generic Democrat who is not festooned with Biden's failures and weaknesses and is not in his or her 80s would almost certainly beat Trump handily. (Kamala Harris does not meet the definition of such a Democrat.

A generic Republican who hasn't spent years making him- or herself hateful to suburbanites, who isn't wedded to ridiculous yarns about the 2020 election, and who isn't in serious legal jeopardy in multiple jurisdictions would almost certainly beat Biden handily.

According to the latest USA Today/Suffolk poll, Trump leads Biden on who's best to handle the economy, foreign affairs, and the border, while surveys consistently find that about three-quarters have doubts about Biden's ability to continue in the office for another term.

And yet the mandarins of the Democratic Party believe that he's best suited to beating Trump.

On the other hand, despite all his troubles, Biden has a higher favorable rating (39 percent positive, 49 percent negative) than Trump (35 percent positive, 54 percent negative), according to a recent NBC News poll.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/theres-one-easy-trick-to-winning-in-2024/

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That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, the article was published in the NeverTrump News, so it's not like there is spin going on there.

Note the favorability numbers are basically standard of deviation....not enough difference to matter, or at least matter enough. Another big difference is party support. Trump support within the GOP is considerably stronger, roughly 2x stronger, while Biden is not only behind but losing ground within his own party. That creates a big obstacle for Democrats in a turnout election. Dems see that, ergo the numerous articles about needing an alternative. But they also perceive Biden is their best head-to-head option with Trump (see favorability numbers, above), whom they know has rock-solid support of an excited base.

Problem for both parties is.....there is no obvious successor. every single alternative has (or seems likely to have) one or more problems to overcome. So both parties are, for now, sticking with the devil they know, the coalition they know, and will appeal to the voters they know. It will take some exogenous event - health crisis, major scandal, major war escalation, domestic terror event, pandemic, etc......to shake that dynamic up. Don't rule any of that out.... But odds are, both sides will chose to stick with the turnout election model the can see and try to get their guy across the line, because no one else seems likely enough to build a bigger coalition on either side.

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That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, your post was authored by the Always Trump All the Time Spin machine.

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LOL anything other than neverTrump nonsense is pro-Trump spin. Got it.

Find me another candidate who can beat him and I'll get excited about it. Until then, I'll keep trying to tell you why you're neverTrump nonsense is not working.

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Ok, I can deal with this approach. This makes more sense than trying to espouse the benefits and positives of Trump as a candidate. He is a less suave Oswald Mosley from Peaky Blinders! But, I get it. Elections are not logical

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Good question. I'm not sure but there are multiplie possible answers & it may not be the one that seems obvious. Also, polls this early don't mean too much & polls in general tend to be skewed in favor of Democrats. The end results are often at least a few points in the other direction.

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There's One Easy Trick to Winning in 2024


The party that picks a different nominee establishes a massive advantage.

Usually, although not always, what's obvious prevails in politics.

It was pretty obvious, for instance, that Joe Biden was a stronger general-election candidate in 2020 than Bernie Sanders, and lo and behold, Biden rose from the dead and won the Democratic nomination.

Sometimes passion, calculated risk-taking, delusion, or stasis overwhelms the obvious, though. When this happens to one party think of the Goldwater or McGovern nominations it often suffers a debacle. But what if both parties succumb to these forces at the same time?

Then you get a clash of weakness where both parties risk throwing away a winnable race through their insistence on fielding desperately flawed candidates unpalatable to the larger public.

The Republican reaction to the likely renomination of Joe Biden is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your unpopular incumbent who looks as if he could tip over at any moment with an unpopular former president who will likely be convicted of felonies next year."

The Democratic reaction to the likely renomination of Donald Trump is, in effect, "We'll see and raise your radioactive standard-bearer with a president who is trailing him in polls and who most people think can't serve another four years."

Both parties think they are going to win anyway, but even if they are right, their chances of victory would go up appreciably if they switched away from their current presumptive nominees.

A generic Democrat who is not festooned with Biden's failures and weaknesses and is not in his or her 80s would almost certainly beat Trump handily. (Kamala Harris does not meet the definition of such a Democrat.

A generic Republican who hasn't spent years making him- or herself hateful to suburbanites, who isn't wedded to ridiculous yarns about the 2020 election, and who isn't in serious legal jeopardy in multiple jurisdictions would almost certainly beat Biden handily.

According to the latest USA Today/Suffolk poll, Trump leads Biden on who's best to handle the economy, foreign affairs, and the border, while surveys consistently find that about three-quarters have doubts about Biden's ability to continue in the office for another term.

And yet the mandarins of the Democratic Party believe that he's best suited to beating Trump.

On the other hand, despite all his troubles, Biden has a higher favorable rating (39 percent positive, 49 percent negative) than Trump (35 percent positive, 54 percent negative), according to a recent NBC News poll.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/theres-one-easy-trick-to-winning-in-2024/

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That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, the article was published in the NeverTrump News, so it's not like there is spin going on there.

Note the favorability numbers are basically standard of deviation....not enough difference to matter, or at least matter enough. Another big difference is party support. Trump support within the GOP is considerably stronger, roughly 2x stronger, while Biden is not only behind but losing ground within his own party. That creates a big obstacle for Democrats in a turnout election. Dems see that, ergo the numerous articles about needing an alternative. But they also perceive Biden is their best head-to-head option with Trump (see favorability numbers, above), whom they know has rock-solid support of an excited base.

Problem for both parties is.....there is no obvious successor. every single alternative has (or seems likely to have) one or more problems to overcome. So both parties are, for now, sticking with the devil they know, the coalition they know, and will appeal to the voters they know. It will take some exogenous event - health crisis, major scandal, major war escalation, domestic terror event, pandemic, etc......to shake that dynamic up. Don't rule any of that out.... But odds are, both sides will chose to stick with the turnout election model the can see and try to get their guy across the line, because no one else seems likely enough to build a bigger coalition on either side.

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That could all turn out to be true. Or not. After all, your post was authored by the Always Trump All the Time Spin machine.

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LOL anything other than neverTrump nonsense is pro-Trump spin. Got it.

Find me another candidate who can beat him and I'll get excited about it. Until then, I'll keep trying to tell you why you're neverTrump nonsense is not working.

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Always Trump spin

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I feel like Florida Governor doing the job of the US State Department to evacuate Americans shouldn't be a hard one and yet Biden was happy to give DeSantis those optics. https://t.co/AAf1jJzKkE

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) October 17, 2023

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The first flight touched down last night in Florida, with DeSantis in attendance and waiting for the evacuees 270 Americans, 91 of them children on the tarmac. The optics were a coup for DeSantis, while Trump shouted all caps away on Truth Social, and Biden slurred his way through a coordinated 60 Minutes interview, where, as his usual aged and aloof self, he, once again, did not address American casualties.

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It really is a shame, DeSantis would be an outstanding President probably like Truman. He would make the tough decisions, deliver but not very likeable. He would be a damn good President, but not in an era where how you say things and appear is more important than what you do

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I agree all of that in bold 100%. I doubted RDS would win, but thought he'd do a lot better. In no small part, his difficulties are really pretty simple - he's just up against a better candidate for the moment. At this point in time, seems pretty clear he's going to lose the VP nod to Haley. I'd prefer RDS to her, but she's a better candidate this point in time.

I know you think no one, RDS in particular, would be willing to be Trump's VP. You are wrong about that. Unless Trump is up against some really bad polling, any of them will take the nod. (except for ol' perpetual panty wad Asa). And odds are, Trump will continue to get stronger as we go forward, and Biden will continue to get weaker.

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I will say this, going back to Truman. Was just at the Little White House in Key West, Truman is on my mind. Sorry, but the decisions that guy had to make, he gets too little credit.

I do think you have a point on the VP role. At Trump's age, legal issues, and his propensity to get impeached as President, there is a good shot the VP will have to step up. So, like serving for a sick FDR, VP for Trump could end up being President. So, I can see a path for VP. I just think Trump doesn't like RDS...

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Trump is still a narcissist. He doesn't like anyone who he thinks is less than 100% devoted to him. That's foolish & dangerous. It might work in the world of business for a multi millionaire but it doesn't work so well with politics, especially the presidency.

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I feel like Florida Governor doing the job of the US State Department to evacuate Americans shouldn't be a hard one and yet Biden was happy to give DeSantis those optics. https://t.co/AAf1jJzKkE

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) October 17, 2023

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The first flight touched down last night in Florida, with DeSantis in attendance and waiting for the evacuees 270 Americans, 91 of them children on the tarmac. The optics were a coup for DeSantis, while Trump shouted all caps away on Truth Social, and Biden slurred his way through a coordinated 60 Minutes interview, where, as his usual aged and aloof self, he, once again, did not address American casualties.

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It really is a shame, DeSantis would be an outstanding President probably like Truman. He would make the tough decisions, deliver but not very likeable. He would be a damn good President, but not in an era where how you say things and appear is more important than what you do

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I agree all of that in bold 100%. I doubted RDS would win, but thought he'd do a lot better. In no small part, his difficulties are really pretty simple - he's just up against a better candidate for the moment. At this point in time, seems pretty clear he's going to lose the VP nod to Haley. I'd prefer RDS to her, but she's a better candidate this point in time.

I know you think no one, RDS in particular, would be willing to be Trump's VP. You are wrong about that. Unless Trump is up against some really bad polling, any of them will take the nod. (except for ol' perpetual panty wad Asa). And odds are, Trump will continue to get stronger as we go forward, and Biden will continue to get weaker.

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I will say this, going back to Truman. Was just at the Little White House in Key West, Truman is on my mind. Sorry, but the decisions that guy had to make, he gets too little credit.

I do think you have a point on the VP role. At Trump's age, legal issues, and his propensity to get impeached as President, there is a good shot the VP will have to step up. So, like serving for a sick FDR, VP for Trump could end up being President. So, I can see a path for VP. I just think Trump doesn't like RDS...

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Trump is still a narcissist. He doesn't like anyone who he thinks is less than 100% devoted to him. That's foolish & dangerous. It might work in the world of business for a multi millionaire but it doesn't work so well with politics, especially the presidency.

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Takes a pretty big ego to think you are the one person best suited to run the most powerful country in the world. Same for statewide electeds, particularly in larger states......

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I feel like Florida Governor doing the job of the US State Department to evacuate Americans shouldn't be a hard one and yet Biden was happy to give DeSantis those optics. https://t.co/AAf1jJzKkE

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) October 17, 2023

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The first flight touched down last night in Florida, with DeSantis in attendance and waiting for the evacuees 270 Americans, 91 of them children on the tarmac. The optics were a coup for DeSantis, while Trump shouted all caps away on Truth Social, and Biden slurred his way through a coordinated 60 Minutes interview, where, as his usual aged and aloof self, he, once again, did not address American casualties.

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It really is a shame, DeSantis would be an outstanding President probably like Truman. He would make the tough decisions, deliver but not very likeable. He would be a damn good President, but not in an era where how you say things and appear is more important than what you do

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I agree all of that in bold 100%. I doubted RDS would win, but thought he'd do a lot better. In no small part, his difficulties are really pretty simple - he's just up against a better candidate for the moment. At this point in time, seems pretty clear he's going to lose the VP nod to Haley. I'd prefer RDS to her, but she's a better candidate this point in time.

I know you think no one, RDS in particular, would be willing to be Trump's VP. You are wrong about that. Unless Trump is up against some really bad polling, any of them will take the nod. (except for ol' perpetual panty wad Asa). And odds are, Trump will continue to get stronger as we go forward, and Biden will continue to get weaker.

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I will say this, going back to Truman. Was just at the Little White House in Key West, Truman is on my mind. Sorry, but the decisions that guy had to make, he gets too little credit.

I do think you have a point on the VP role. At Trump's age, legal issues, and his propensity to get impeached as President, there is a good shot the VP will have to step up. So, like serving for a sick FDR, VP for Trump could end up being President. So, I can see a path for VP. I just think Trump doesn't like RDS...

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Trump is still a narcissist. He doesn't like anyone who he thinks is less than 100% devoted to him. That's foolish & dangerous. It might work in the world of business for a multi millionaire but it doesn't work so well with politics, especially the presidency.

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I thought about that and that's not true, historically. Just in the 20th Century, both Roosevelts, Wilson, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan and Clinton all were strong narcissists who expected their staff to be committed to them personally

You can argue that such behavior may be poor ethics for a President, but there's no question the behavior was actually pretty common at that level.

The one thing this country needs is to have new leadership - not Biden and not Trump. Unfortunately there is only one way that happens . . . behind closed doors, Biden agrees to have all federal charges dropped and to strong arm the various Soros DAs to do the same in exchange for Trump withdrawing from the race. In turn, Biden agrees not to seek re-election.

As this will never happen, the rematch will occur.

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The one thing this country needs is to have new leadership - not Biden and not Trump. Unfortunately there is only one way that happens . . . behind closed doors, Biden agrees to have all federal charges dropped and to strong arm the various Soros DAs to do the same in exchange for Trump withdrawing from the race. In turn, Biden agrees not to seek re-election.

As this will never happen, the rematch will occur.

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Re-match is going to be ugly. Trump is no longer looking to "make deals", he is now on a vendetta. Unfortunately, it will be a slash and burn vendetta. He will take Biden's reprehensible abuses of Govt power and double-down. Biden? Who knows. Does he even know where he is?

Maybe. But our greatest leaders had some humility: Lincoln, Washington, Reagan.

Reagan was not a narcissist. The only other person on your list who was genuinely a great leader was TR. While FDR provided strong leadership during the war (with flaws), his New Deal was a disaster that extended the Great Depression for over a decade & we did not get a genuine economic recovery until after the war. Wilson was a proto-fascist with multiple policies that have proven disasters by increasing federal power at the expense of individual liberties and our wallets, a theme that has continued for most of the time since. JFK had only one truly great moment: but the Cuban Missile Crisis likely would never have happened if he had not screwed up with the Bay of Pigs & his Khrushchev meeting in Vienna. LBJ's only positive accomplishment was civil rights but that would have happened anyway & he was only interested in political opportunism. The Great Society was (& still is) mostly a vastly overpriced boondoggle keeping the poorest Americans poor. Nixon had some great foreign policy accomplishments offset by terrible economic policies (price controls!!) & Watergate. Every Democrat president after him, except Carter, was far more corrupt but never prosecuted for their many crimes & never given enough blame for their huge blunders. (On a side note, they are also terrible perverts).

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Reagan was not a narcissist. The only other person on your list who was genuinely a great leader was TR. While FDR provided strong leadership during the war (with flaws), his New Deal was a disaster that extended the Great Depression for over a decade & we did not get a genuine economic recovery until after the war. Wilson was a proto-fascist with multiple policies that have proven disasters by increasing federal power at the expense of individual liberties and our wallets, a theme that has continued for most of the time since. JFK had only one truly great moment: but the Cuban Missile Crisis likely would never have happened if he had not screwed up with the Bay of Pigs & his Khrushchev meeting in Vienna. LBJ's only positive accomplishment was civil rights but that would have happened anyway & he was only interested in political opportunism. The Great Society was (& still is) mostly a vastly overpriced boondoggle keeping the poorest Americans poor. Nixon had some great foreign policy accomplishments offset by terrible economic policies (price controls!!) & Watergate. Every Democrat president after him, except Carter, was far more corrupt but never prosecuted for their many crimes & never given enough blame for their huge blunders. (On a side note, they are also terrible perverts).

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All of them are mixed bags.

Look at Churchill. At least a plurality of his contemporaries would describe him as an insufferable ass, to family, friend, and foe alike. His ego and scathing wit complicated (to put it mildly) his career many times. But when things turned to ****, to whom did all of his erstwhile political enemies turn? And did he not rise to the occasion? Among all that, there are numerous occasions of him showing great kindness and understanding the people around him.

Without an ego towering to heights that would make ordinary men flinch, we would not know the names of the men we are discussing. They had all the faults of lesser men. It is their talents which loft them up for commendation, the ability to make tough decisions when times were tough. leadership of great nations in crisis is not a job for the managerial class. It takes a formidable person to forge destiny. Those who do are typically remembered most for their strengths, not their weaknesses.

Multiple valid points

I think the great leaders in history are remembered for their strengths AND their ability to overcome their deficiencies.

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Multiple valid points

I think the great leaders in history are remembered for their strengths AND their ability to overcome their deficiencies.

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that latter gives rise to the "tragic hero" of Greek mythology......that person whose skills are singularly suited to the moment, and whose weaknesses make them quite poorly suited for other challenges or even ordinary times and ultimately cause them to fall, often ignominiously.

VDH has made some interesting observations about Trump as a tragic hero, and I think they are spot on. The question is....has his moment passed? are the trials his undoing? The answer today is....it's not clear, but as time and events clunk forward, there are reasons to suspect his finest hour may indeed be ahead of him.

Good questions. No easy answers.

Trump has been compared to Andrew Jackson and I think there is something there but with limits. I don't know if VDH has gone there. He is a wise scholar. We do not have many of those.

The % of Americans who think things are going badly today has hit a high for the year - so we might expect any incumbent to be down.
And Biden is trailing Trump in a potential 2024 match-up by 3 points. https://t.co/XyjrRAogP3 pic.twitter.com/z84n9zb6wO

— CBS News Poll (@CBSNewsPoll) November 5, 2023

Trump Leads in 5 Critical States as Voters Blast Biden, Times/Siena Poll Finds

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President Biden is trailing Donald J. Trump in five of the six most important battleground states one year before the 2024 election, suffering from enormous doubts about his age and deep dissatisfaction over his handling of the economy and a host of other issues, new polls by The New York Times and Siena College have found.

The results show Mr. Biden losing to Mr. Trump, his likeliest Republican rival, by margins of three to 10 percentage points among registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania. Mr. Biden is ahead only in Wisconsin, by two percentage points, the poll found.

Across the six battlegrounds all of which Mr. Biden carried in 2020 the president trails by an average of 48 to 44 percent.

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“Black voters — long a bulwark for Democrats and for Mr. Biden — are now registering 22 percent support in these states for Mr. Trump, a level unseen in presidential politics for a Republican in modern times.” https://t.co/VnGlvOWJRj pic.twitter.com/n2YqbNujLH

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 5, 2023

Polite calls for Joe to drop out of the race. They won't be so polite if he continues to poll like this.

Only @JoeBiden can make this decision. If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it's in HIS best interest or the country's?

— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) November 5, 2023

It's time.

President Biden has served our country well. I'm confident he'll do so for the next year.

But it's time for an act of personal sacrifice and public spirit.

It's time to pass the torch to the next generation.

It's time for Biden to announce he won't run in 2024.

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) November 5, 2023

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The % of Americans who think things are going badly today has hit a high for the year - so we might expect any incumbent to be down.
And Biden is trailing Trump in a potential 2024 match-up by 3 points. https://t.co/XyjrRAogP3 pic.twitter.com/z84n9zb6wO

— CBS News Poll (@CBSNewsPoll) November 5, 2023

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Anyone who still believes Biden is going to garner the Democratic Party nomination for president in 2024 is hopelessly ignorant on what the Dem power brokers did to Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020.

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Texas installed a border fence to keep illegal migrants out.

The federal government came and lifted it to allow hundreds of illegals to pour in.

It’s not a crisis. It’s an invasion.

pic.twitter.com/oVRMEadF8I

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) November 2, 2023

He literally is making border patrol lift the fence because a court said they can't cut the wire anymore pic.twitter.com/aw9wYAuqAa

— 🇺🇸 Army of the Awakened 🇺🇸 (@armyoftheawaken) November 4, 2023

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The % of Americans who think things are going badly today has hit a high for the year - so we might expect any incumbent to be down.
And Biden is trailing Trump in a potential 2024 match-up by 3 points. https://t.co/XyjrRAogP3 pic.twitter.com/z84n9zb6wO

— CBS News Poll (@CBSNewsPoll) November 5, 2023

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In 11 months expect that margin to be significantly higher. Then take into account that these polls often overstate the Dem support.

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Polite calls for Joe to drop out of the race. They won't be so polite if he continues to poll like this.

Only @JoeBiden can make this decision. If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it's in HIS best interest or the country's?

— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) November 5, 2023

It's time.

President Biden has served our country well. I'm confident he'll do so for the next year.

But it's time for an act of personal sacrifice and public spirit.

It's time to pass the torch to the next generation.

It's time for Biden to announce he won't run in 2024.

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) November 5, 2023

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Those Leftists are acting like Joe cares about what's best for them, the party, of the country. He doesn't care and never has. He might care what China thinks since they have made him filthy rich over the years.

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Those two are demagogues and rule thwarters in their own right.

They probably described most Dem politicians & quite a few Republicans (aka RINO's).

https://t.co/u4uJV33MGv pic.twitter.com/HqoYDd9UJo

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) November 6, 2023

Wrapping up the first week of the White House’s Islamaphobia awareness campaign with Palestinians burning Israeli flags and pictures of Joe Biden.

pic.twitter.com/ZofFiQCxbp

— Jason Curtis Anderson (@JCAndersonNYC) November 5, 2023

Big polling problems facing Joe Biden per Axios:

• “Biden's support among nonwhite voters dropped 33 points compared to 2020 results.”
• “The more diverse a state, the worse Biden does”
• “Biden's lead among Hispanics is in single digits in the six swing states polled… pic.twitter.com/x6YW9ef9Ne

— Steve Guest (@SteveGuest) November 6, 2023

A graph so striking you have to wonder if there was anything going on going before January 2021... https://t.co/5vQPGG0Rs7

— Byron York (@ByronYork) November 7, 2023

Home Depot Founder Calls Biden A "Dunce," Says President Is A "Puppet" https://t.co/U90ELTFdOl

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) November 7, 2023

Quote:

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"I've said this to all of my friends, anybody who would listen: if this election goes the way the last one went, this country will be a Third World country."

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CNN POLL: Just 25% of Americans say Biden has the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively as president pic.twitter.com/Fbh6RxMWAU

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) November 8, 2023