FDR did provide some pretty solid leadership during WWII. The New Deal was a disaster and extended the Great Depression for over a decade.
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Sorry, but that's just wrong. He made some of the toughest decisions any president has ever had to make & mostly got it correct: nuking Japan to end the war, firing MacArthur (who was publicly insubordinate), defending Korea, etc. He made plenty of mistakes along the way & some of his domestic policies were terrible but in some ways he was better than FDR. Also, one must take into account that he took over in one of the worst situations possible and largely in the dark about what was going on. FDR had not kept him in the loop.
historian said:
Sorry, but that's just wrong. He made some of the toughest decisions any president has ever had to make & mostly got it correct: nuking Japan to end the war, firing MacArthur (who was publicly insubordinate), defending Korea, etc. He made plenty of mistakes along the way & some of his domestic policies were terrible but in some ways he was better than FDR. Also, one must take into account that he took over in one of the worst situations possible and largely in the dark about what was going on. FDR had not kept him in the loop.
LOL
Not wrong .
Other than using nukes to end the war Truman was a mediocre president .
Failed in business and had to sell his soul to the Kansas City mafia to make a living .
As president Truman clearly suffered from the 'short man's disease'. Rude, demeaning and crass.
Accomplished next to nothing domestically.
Attempting to equate Truman with FDR is absurd.
KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
You need to read more about Truman
I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
Those 5 things were more than most Presidents had to deal with in 8 years. He never shied from his responsibility and took the fallout.
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing? Nowadays, it is in the form of PACS funded by Hedge Funds. You think that any are cleaner?
Truman had one of the more significant presidencies in the 20th century.FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
Those 5 things were more than most Presidents had to deal with in 8 years. He never shied from his responsibility and took the fallout.
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing? Nowadays, it is in the form of PACS funded by Hedge Funds. You think that any are cleaner?
FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
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Well, I guess there is no need for further discussion. Kai has spoken.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Ridiculous.
Truman had zero to do with anything involving the downfall of the Soviet Union
An event that occurred over 30 years after he left office.
BTW Truman was largely responsible for the U.S. army's unpreparedness for the invasion of South Korea by the North.
Our troops were grossly undertrained and under equipped .
And the North Koreans kicked their ass. Almost to the point of driving them completely off the peninsula.
The best thing that can be said for Truman was he was almost penniless when he retired from politics. The government finally established a retirement income for ex presidents as a result of Truman's situation.
Herbert Hoover ( the only other living ex president at the time ) was a very wealthy man. But he graciously accept his money as to not embarrass Truman.
He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
One of the impactful presidents in the 20th century
The policy of containment led to the downfall of Russia
Well, the little Caesar named Macarther took him on, he pretty much handled it better than Trump handled his Generals.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
I am surprised you are so in to popularity, you make the tough choices and you are not going to be popular. That is why they are tough choices. If he was worried about popular, he would have done a poll.
But, you know as with other things we don't have to agree. You can keep touting how great Obama was, it is your right.
FLBear5630 said:Well, the little Caesar named Macarther took him on, he pretty much handled it better than Trump handled his Generals.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
I am surprised you are so in to popularity, you make the tough choices and you are not going to be popular. That is why they are tough choices. If he was worried about popular, he would have done a poll.
But, you know as with other things we don't have to agree. You can keep touting how great Obama was, it is your right.
Dumb comments all way round .
KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:Well, the little Caesar named Macarther took him on, he pretty much handled it better than Trump handled his Generals.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
I am surprised you are so in to popularity, you make the tough choices and you are not going to be popular. That is why they are tough choices. If he was worried about popular, he would have done a poll.
But, you know as with other things we don't have to agree. You can keep touting how great Obama was, it is your right.
Dumb comments all way round .
F off...
FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:Well, the little Caesar named Macarther took him on, he pretty much handled it better than Trump handled his Generals.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
I am surprised you are so in to popularity, you make the tough choices and you are not going to be popular. That is why they are tough choices. If he was worried about popular, he would have done a poll.
But, you know as with other things we don't have to agree. You can keep touting how great Obama was, it is your right.
Dumb comments all way round .
F off...
Dude you seriously need to find some educational endeavors to eat up all your empty hours.
And hopefully fill up the huge empty space between your ears in the process.
KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:Well, the little Caesar named Macarther took him on, he pretty much handled it better than Trump handled his Generals.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
I am surprised you are so in to popularity, you make the tough choices and you are not going to be popular. That is why they are tough choices. If he was worried about popular, he would have done a poll.
But, you know as with other things we don't have to agree. You can keep touting how great Obama was, it is your right.
Dumb comments all way round .
F off...
Dude you seriously need to find some educational endeavors to eat up all your empty hours.
And hopefully fill up the huge empty space between your ears in the process.
I can have a discussion without insulting, calling dumb or any other verbal tantrum you throw. If someone disagrees they are dumb, cowards, or any other insult you throw.
You are not worth it. Enjoy your version of all history and what is right or wrong. Snuggle up with that CIB of you really have one and tell yourself how right you are. I am done with you.
KaiBear said:historian said:
Sorry, but that's just wrong. He made some of the toughest decisions any president has ever had to make & mostly got it correct: nuking Japan to end the war, firing MacArthur (who was publicly insubordinate), defending Korea, etc. He made plenty of mistakes along the way & some of his domestic policies were terrible but in some ways he was better than FDR. Also, one must take into account that he took over in one of the worst situations possible and largely in the dark about what was going on. FDR had not kept him in the loop.
LOL
Not wrong .
Other than using nukes to end the war Truman was a mediocre president .
Failed in business and had to sell his soul to the Kansas City mafia to make a living .
As president Truman clearly suffered from the 'short man's disease'. Rude, demeaning and crass.
Accomplished next to nothing domestically.
Attempting to equate Truman with FDR is absurd.
I never equated him with FDR. I compared them.
Truman's accomplishments were mostly in foreign policy not domestic. Neither FDR nor Truman accomplished much there which should not be surprising: both were Democrats. Dems think government can solve all social & economic problems when most of America's economic & social problems were actually caused by governments at all levels.
One very important exception: Civil Rights was a huge success & it required the federal government (all 3 branches) to end Jim Crow. But government failures in the past are largely to blame for those problems too. Truman actually had a success there by desegregating the military.
FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:Well, the little Caesar named Macarther took him on, he pretty much handled it better than Trump handled his Generals.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
I am surprised you are so in to popularity, you make the tough choices and you are not going to be popular. That is why they are tough choices. If he was worried about popular, he would have done a poll.
But, you know as with other things we don't have to agree. You can keep touting how great Obama was, it is your right.
Dumb comments all way round .
F off...
Don't do that
The guy is ignorant
FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:Well, the little Caesar named Macarther took him on, he pretty much handled it better than Trump handled his Generals.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:He made tough decisions that had been punted for years, in terms of desegregation of military 80 years. He established civilian control over the Military, the Marshall Plan, etc... He impacted the future more than almost any modern President I can think of.Osodecentx said:I disagree. Truman had a successful 2 terms and set the policies that eventually brought down Russia without a world war.KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:I disagree here, he made some of the tougher decisions in US History.KaiBear said:historian said:
Truman is one of better presidents of the 20th century. Arguably, he was better than FDR who Leftists practically worship.
Rare to disagree with you involving history.
However this is one of those times.
Truman was a mediocrity who enjoyed the patronage of the Kansas City mafia . Without that patronage Truman would have never been elected to the senate.
As president, Truman accomplished very little.
The obvious one - the Bomb
Desegregated the Military
Responded to Soviet Blockade of Berlin
Responded to Invasions of S Korea
Recognized Israel 11 minutes after created
As for KC Mob, which President doesn't get where he is without backing?
By the time Truman left office he had the lowest approval rating ever.
There was a reason for it.
His domestic policies were failures.
Other than dropping the Bomb ( developed by FDR's administration ) his foreign policies were failures.
To brush off Truman's MAFIA overlords is ridiculous. Other than Kennedy no US president has been so obligated to such a criminal element.
The man was a caustic, obnoxious mediocrity who left many problems for Eisenhower to solve.
Compared to Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy , Nixon, Reagan , Clinton, And Obama; Truman remains a blip on the historical record.
For all practical purposes; forgotten.
And justifiably so.
If you like polls, Truman's average approval % was higher than Trump's
Good grief every president makes 'tough decisions'.
It's a ridiculous assumption that Truman established 'civilian control of the military '. Even Lincoln had control of the military a century earlier.
Truman's approval ratings the day he left office say it all.
He was so unpopular a Republican was his successor in the White House.
I am surprised you are so in to popularity, you make the tough choices and you are not going to be popular. That is why they are tough choices. If he was worried about popular, he would have done a poll.
But, you know as with other things we don't have to agree. You can keep touting how great Obama was, it is your right.
Dumb comments all way round .
F off...
Dude you seriously need to find some educational endeavors to eat up all your empty hours.
And hopefully fill up the huge empty space between your ears in the process.
I can have a discussion without insulting, calling dumb or any other verbal tantrum you throw. If someone disagrees they are dumb, cowards, or any other insult you throw.
You are not worth it. Enjoy your version of all history and what is right or wrong. Snuggle up with that CIB of you really have one and tell yourself how right you are. I am done with you.
LOL
Your F bombs certainly demonstrate your intellectual prowess.
historian said:KaiBear said:historian said:
Sorry, but that's just wrong. He made some of the toughest decisions any president has ever had to make & mostly got it correct: nuking Japan to end the war, firing MacArthur (who was publicly insubordinate), defending Korea, etc. He made plenty of mistakes along the way & some of his domestic policies were terrible but in some ways he was better than FDR. Also, one must take into account that he took over in one of the worst situations possible and largely in the dark about what was going on. FDR had not kept him in the loop.
LOL
Not wrong .
Other than using nukes to end the war Truman was a mediocre president .
Failed in business and had to sell his soul to the Kansas City mafia to make a living .
As president Truman clearly suffered from the 'short man's disease'. Rude, demeaning and crass.
Accomplished next to nothing domestically.
Attempting to equate Truman with FDR is absurd.
I never equated him with FDR. I compared them.
Truman's accomplishments were mostly in foreign policy not domestic. Neither FDR nor Truman accomplished much there which should not be surprising: both were Democrats. Dems think government can solve all social & economic problems when most of America's economic & social problems were actually caused by governments at all levels.
One very important exception: Civil Rights was a huge success & it required the federal government (all 3 branches) to end Jim Crow. But government failures in the past are largely to blame for those problems too. Truman actually had a success there by desegregating the military.
Enjoy your contributions, we will just have to agree to disagree.
Though I suspect most lovers of history would rate FDR's accomplishments far above those of Truman.
That's probably true of most historians but that's because they are mostly Leftists that think the government is always the hero despite the abundance of evidence to the contrary. They are ideologues. Some even think FDR is the greatest president we've ever had because they give him credit for ending the Depression (he didn't; the New Deal made it worse). That may be true of lay people because they pay attention to the historians because they are the "experts" & they don't know better.
Most historians recognize that Lincoln was best for all kinds of obvious reasons.
Most historians recognize that Lincoln was best for all kinds of obvious reasons.
FDR certainly did more damage to our nation than Truman.KaiBear said:historian said:KaiBear said:historian said:
Sorry, but that's just wrong. He made some of the toughest decisions any president has ever had to make & mostly got it correct: nuking Japan to end the war, firing MacArthur (who was publicly insubordinate), defending Korea, etc. He made plenty of mistakes along the way & some of his domestic policies were terrible but in some ways he was better than FDR. Also, one must take into account that he took over in one of the worst situations possible and largely in the dark about what was going on. FDR had not kept him in the loop.
LOL
Not wrong .
Other than using nukes to end the war Truman was a mediocre president .
Failed in business and had to sell his soul to the Kansas City mafia to make a living .
As president Truman clearly suffered from the 'short man's disease'. Rude, demeaning and crass.
Accomplished next to nothing domestically.
Attempting to equate Truman with FDR is absurd.
I never equated him with FDR. I compared them.
Truman's accomplishments were mostly in foreign policy not domestic. Neither FDR nor Truman accomplished much there which should not be surprising: both were Democrats. Dems think government can solve all social & economic problems when most of America's economic & social problems were actually caused by governments at all levels.
One very important exception: Civil Rights was a huge success & it required the federal government (all 3 branches) to end Jim Crow. But government failures in the past are largely to blame for those problems too. Truman actually had a success there by desegregating the military.
Enjoy your contributions, we will just have to agree to disagree.
Though I suspect most lovers of history would rate FDR's accomplishments far above those of Truman.
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historian said:
That's probably true of most historians but that's because they are mostly Leftists that think the government is always the hero despite the abundance of evidence to the contrary. They are ideologues. Some even think FDR is the greatest president we've ever had because they give him credit for ending the Depression (he didn't; the New Deal made it worse). That may be true of lay people because they pay attention to the historians because they are the "experts" & they don't know better.
Most historians recognize that Lincoln was best for all kinds of obvious reasons.
Interesting
I am politically a little to the right of Attila the Hun yet would easily rate FDR as one of the greatest presidents and certainly better than Lincoln.
Whose constant interference with military strategy possibly extended the war by another year. Add in his suspension of habeas corpus and a host of other issues; it is safe to say only Sherman's timely occupation of Atlanta made Lincoln's re election possible.
Then an even more timely martyr's death cemented Lincoln's legacy .
Interesting turn to a thread that was already the most epic crash and burn by an OP in SE365 history. The thread has now claimed another victim who decided to jettison his parachute 10 seconds after he flung himself from the plane; then just for good measure, threw up double birds 25 feet before he hit the ground. At least misplaced arrogance always gets you somewhere, even if you are the only one there when the wheels come off.
KaiBear said:historian said:
That's probably true of most historians but that's because they are mostly Leftists that think the government is always the hero despite the abundance of evidence to the contrary. They are ideologues. Some even think FDR is the greatest president we've ever had because they give him credit for ending the Depression (he didn't; the New Deal made it worse). That may be true of lay people because they pay attention to the historians because they are the "experts" & they don't know better.
Most historians recognize that Lincoln was best for all kinds of obvious reasons.
Interesting
I am politically a little to the right of Attila the Hun yet would easily rate FDR as one of the greatest presidents and certainly better than Lincoln.
Whose constant interference with military strategy possibly extended the war by another year. Add in his suspension of habeas corpus and a host of other issues; it is safe to say only Sherman's timely occupation of Atlanta made Lincoln's re election possible.
Then an even more timely martyr's death cemented Lincoln's legacy.
Lincoln has his share of conservative critics, with books written on the subject. Suspension of habeus corpus was necessary under the circumstances and completely constitutional. The constitution explicitly authorizes it under this circumstance: rebellion.
As for the war, Lincoln had clear military objectives and made sure his commanders followed through, removing them when they failed. I think he had some grasp or intuition of the immensity of the conflict and that the Civil War was different than previous wars. It was total war, a model for the two world wars.
I like Lincoln above all others because he made many tough decisions, had the courage to do the difficult things (emancipation, aggressively win the war, etc), had the political skill to do the difficult things & manage the administration (including a cabinet that was sometimes unruly), and rare leadership traits one doesn't often see, especially some humility.
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