Reading through their Facebook content is a tour de force in anti American, anti capitalist doctrine.

Here is just one example: https://www.presbyterianmission.org/story/one-congregations-response-to-american-imperialism/?fbclid=IwAR1TLUAHLzmcYyBV5GbpZmHOis91Bj0HFJFu225UAQ7Ad1Xf3wi_arrHoTk

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Reading through their Facebook content is a tour de force in anti American, anti capitalist doctrine.

Here is just one example: https://www.presbyterianmission.org/story/one-congregations-response-to-american-imperialism/?fbclid=IwAR1TLUAHLzmcYyBV5GbpZmHOis91Bj0HFJFu225UAQ7Ad1Xf3wi_arrHoTk

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Wow... that's pretty horrible and messed up stuff.

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Reading through their Facebook content is a tour de force in anti American, anti capitalist doctrine.

Here is just one example: https://www.presbyterianmission.org/story/one-congregations-response-to-american-imperialism/?fbclid=IwAR1TLUAHLzmcYyBV5GbpZmHOis91Bj0HFJFu225UAQ7Ad1Xf3wi_arrHoTk

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Wow... that's pretty horrible and messed up stuff.

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And social media gives such loonies a massive audience .

Jim Jones missed out .

There is some truth in that, but also it's a very narrow view of the US, or for that matter, Rome. It's also 1 single pastor from 1 church that posted this.

The guy needs to accept that his attempt to build a heaven on earth will fail too.

But he's right about the US exploiting underdeveloped countries and people. Wrong about the US's rationale. Our rationale was always money and power. Never race. We didn't do it as badly as many European nations, but sure, we have sins in our past.

He's mostly wrong about the race aspect. Everyone exploits everyone, no matter their race.

It appears they simply parrot absurd left wing talking points and dogma and then simply label them "missions", etc. Politics in religion corrupts both politics and religion. Liberation theology has turned every church it touched into a Marxist, anti Christian political cult.

It's these kind of beliefs - not far right politicization - that are one of the true reasons the Christian Church is "dying." It's not like we should be surprised that the denominations hit the hardest are those that have exchanged sound doctrine for wokeness.

This guy needs to go find a better country.



Our church does not merely engage in deconstructive analysis. We resist empire through life-giving ministry. Healing from the perverse effects of Western ideologies requires creative approaches. We pool together to buy houses near our church to counteract individualism. Today almost a third of our congregation lives in our community houses. We've also launched multiple church-based businesses to "exploit capitalism to fund village renewal," as we like to say. Our Underground Seminary seeks to decolonize our mind and body (both human and non-human), and that keeps wealth circulating within. I believe every Christian community can do amazing things if we renounce the evil of Western civilization and move toward the kind of kinship and village renewal that Jesus inaugurated.

They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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Hardly.

TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

---

Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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From here it looks like you want everyone else to be as miserable and hopeless as you are. There is hope in Christ.

TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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What is "reality"? You only believe you know what it is. Everything is faith.

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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What is "reality"? You only believe you know what it is. Everything is faith.

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I suspect there could be a thread on the utility of aglets, those little things on the ends of shoelaces, and this gentleman would find a way to work his hatred of faith into it.

"They are intended to stop frayed knots. Also, if you believe there is a heaven and a God there, I'm afraid not."

I live in a small two church village. I am neither a Catholic or Russian Orthodox member but attend both churches. They arent Southern Baptist but they do teach the gospels. I take my KJ new testament to the local Russian Orthodox and follow along with the readings. I prefer the Catholic Church because they dont sing as many songs. The RO service lasts two hours.

Did you have trouble in the service you attended?

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I live in a small two church village. I am neither a Catholic or Russian Orthodox member but attend both churches. They arent Southern Baptist but they do teach the gospels. I take my KJ new testament to the local Russian Orthodox and follow along with the readings. I prefer the Catholic Church because they dont sing as many songs. The RO service lasts two hours.

Did you have trouble in the service you attended?

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. Do either openly and proudly teach Marxism and call it the gospel?

Last Easter Sunday I attended the sermon was about the resurrection of Christ as the most important event in the history of man. He threw in some metaphors of the rising sun driving away the darkness and Jesus's triumph over death gave man the chance to share eternity.. The father does have a big beard that some could say makes him look like Karl but beards are not uncommon in this area.

The big Easter service this year will be this Sunday. Though I usually attend the Catholic church here l look forward to next Sunday..

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Last Easter Sunday I attended the sermon was about the resurrection of Christ as the most important event in the history of man. He threw in some metaphors of the rising sun driving away the darkness and Jesus's triumph over death gave man the chance to share eternity.. The father does have a big beard that some could say makes him look like Karl but beards are not uncommon in this area.

The big Easter service this year will be this Sunday. Though I usually attend the Catholic church here l look forward to next Sunday..

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So neither church you attend is like the anti-Christian Marxist pseudo Presbyterian 'church' in the OP. Why post your experience at churches not related to the OP?

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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That's beside the point. Christianity may be true or it may be false, but whatever it is, it isn't Marxism.

Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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That's beside the point. Christianity may be true or it may be false, but whatever it is, it isn't Marxism.

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The formulation goes something like this:

God is love; Government hand outs and social engineering are love; the Government is God.

In practice, the result is anything they can redefine as 'love' becomes their god. Our new posters, for instance, find things like gay marriage and transgender inspired pronouns to be their deities. "Love Wins!"....but only if you believe in a small 'g' god.

Canon said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

---

Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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From here it looks like you want everyone else to be as miserable and hopeless as you are. There is hope in Christ.

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Miserable and hopeless. Hardly. You can hope in Christ, or Allah, but that is all there is, hope.

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

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Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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What is "reality"? You only believe you know what it is. Everything is faith.

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The world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. Reality is observed through evidence.

Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

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I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

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Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

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How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

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Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

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I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

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That's beside the point. Christianity may be true or it may be false, but whatever it is, it isn't Marxism.

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I don't believe it is Marxism either. It has change a lot form the days of the early church though.

TexasScientist said:

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Canon said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

---

I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

---

Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

---

How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

---

Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

---

I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

---

From here it looks like you want everyone else to be as miserable and hopeless as you are. There is hope in Christ.

---

Miserable and hopeless. Hardly. You can hope in Christ, or Allah, but that is all there is, hope.

---

It beats being hopeless and ungrateful. The latter being a certainty when there is no higher power to whom to express gratitude.

Canon said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canon said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

---

I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

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Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

---

Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

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If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

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I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

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Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

---

How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

---

Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

---

I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

---

From here it looks like you want everyone else to be as miserable and hopeless as you are. There is hope in Christ.

---

Miserable and hopeless. Hardly. You can hope in Christ, or Allah, but that is all there is, hope.

---

It beats being hopeless and ungrateful. The latter being a certainty when there is no higher power to whom to express gratitude.

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I'm very grateful. The evidence of reality gives sufficient cause and pause for gratefulness.

TexasScientist said:

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Canon said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canon said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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They're embracing some of the communal ideals of the early Christian church. Back to Christian roots.

---

I doubt anyone has a problem with the communal ideals part... it's the blatantly Marxist parts that are horrible.
Capitalism isn't evil. America isn't evil. America is NOT an empire.... if it were, then ALL of Mexico would now be part of the USA, as well as Cuba, Panama, the Philippines, etc.

This guy is pretending to pursue Jesus, but he is actually brain-washing a bunch of people into becoming secular communists. Communism and the Bible do not work together, which is why every communist nation started out "tolerating" religion and resulted in rejecting and persecuting Christianity.

This guy is just as dangerous as Jim Jones... remember that Jones also did a lot of missionary work, before he served up the Kool Aid.

---

Cuba doesn't reject or persecute Catholicism.

---

Cuba does control Catholicism, and there have been plenty of Catholics who have been arrested or simply disappeared in Cuba after they said things that were forbidden by the Cuban government. Cuba also does this with the small number of other denominations which they allow/regulate.

China also allows "Christianity"... but it also happens to be the only religion in China were the Chinese government has re-written the central text of the religion. The only legal "Bibles" in China are the ones that are published by the CCP... and they are NOT the same as a normal Bible.

The USSR also realized it could not crush religion entirely, so they allowed the Russain Orthodox Church to exist. They made sure that the church preached the values & principles which were approved by the party, and injected communism in every message. I know because I went to Russia right after the wall came down. The people there had never heard the true Gospel message. They were taught that service to the collective was the path to the Kingdom of God.

There is a special place in hell for false teachers... the communists have their own VIP room in that place.

---

Is there really a true Gospel message, and if so, what is the true Gospel message? Is it any of the many differing versions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or Q, M, L, or Peter, Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Truth, Mary, Judas, Philip, the Egyptians, the Jewish Christian Gospels, or any of the infancy Gospels? Who gets to make that determination? Catholics, Gnostics, Orthodox believers, Jews, Mormons, Baptists, Anglicans, Christian scholars, objective scholars etc.?

---

If you really want to discuss this in detail, you should probably start a new thread so we don't hijack this one.
When I said "true Gospel message", I was referring to the agreed upon Gospel message that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the sins of all mankind. All who believe in Him and follow His teaching will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. All who reject Him and his teachings will not enter. Salvation is by the grace of God, through faith in God, and not by works. This was NOT the teaching from the communist approved church, and that was my point.

I somehow suspect that you are not really interested in finding an honest answer to your question, as much as you are interested in trying to "prove" that Christianity and the Bible are false.

So again, if you really want to follow this tangent, I suggest you start a new thread.

---

I don't care to start a new thread or discuss this much further. I'm just pointing out when you drill down into it, there is no agreed upon Gospel message - even what you assert is agreed upon, isn't.

---

Like the man said, your sincerity in pursuit of the Gospel message is suspect. Shooter laid out the essentials

---

How did anyone get to Heaven before Christianity? Works? Don't many Catholics believe you can get there through Purgatory. Not all Christians believe the same. Many believe that belief alone gets you into heaven, following his teaching is not a requirement. There is no 'true' agreed upon Gospel message.

---

Yeah... you really aren't interested in this topic... I can see that clearly.

I just read a few of your older posts...

You don't believe in God, heaven, the Bible... none of it. So your questions are not sincere at all. I would be happy to discuss this topic with someone who genuinely wanted an answer, but that's not you. No answer will ever suffice for you.

So I'll just give you the only answer that you will actually hear... there is no God... it's all a hoax... the Bible isn't real

Now, I believe those statements as much as you actually want an honest answer to your questions... so now we are both engaged in equal levels of sincerity.

Have a nice life.

---

I'm just pointing out the obvious fallacy of all religion. Better to face life grounded in reality.

---

From here it looks like you want everyone else to be as miserable and hopeless as you are. There is hope in Christ.

---

Miserable and hopeless. Hardly. You can hope in Christ, or Allah, but that is all there is, hope.

---

It beats being hopeless and ungrateful. The latter being a certainty when there is no higher power to whom to express gratitude.

---

I'm very grateful. The evidence of reality gives sufficient cause and pause for gratefulness.

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Gratefulness to who? Mother Earth? The invisible Hand of Evolution?

In general, and to my parents (creators).