What is Baylor hiding?

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MaxTeller
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WHAT ARE THEY HIDING??? THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO HIDE THE TRUTH!! FOR FIVE YEARS........AS I SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO, THEY WOULD COME TO A POINT THAT THEY WOULD SEEK RELIEF FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT THAT HAS THREE OR FOUR BU GRADS INCLUDING THE CHIEF JUDGE.....THEY ARE MISTAKING A VERY CONSERVATIVE COURT FOR A "BAYLOR" FRIENDLY COURT!!! THE COURT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A "LITTLE SYMPATHETIC" HAD BAYLOR AND PEPPER STUCK TO THEIR STORIES, BUT WHEN THEY GOT CAUGHT LYING BY THE JUDGE. WELL EVEN MOST BAYLOR GRADS WOULD HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME AND ADMIT THEIR TRANGRESSIONS, BUT BAYLOR......AIN'T HAPPENING.....NOT GOING TO SIT WELL IN NEW ORLEANS!!! SS
"Not only has Baylor raised numerous privilege and work product issues, but virtually every other Baylor-affiliated third-party(including the former president, former football coach, former athletic director, two separate public relations firms, individual regents, former Baylor employees, and Pepper Hamilton) has done so as well."

"When it comes to raising privilege objections, in doing so Baylor has been as aggressive as any party the court has encountered," U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew Austin wrote.
By Angela Morris | May 12, 2021 at 06:30 PM
In a long-running discovery feud over giving up documents by Philadelphia-based Pepper Hamilton, Baylor University in Waco has asked an appellate court to overturn a judge's sanctions order that said to give them up.
Pepper Hamilton produced the mass of records while working for Baylor to investigate the football team sexual assault scandal and issue a 2016 report.
But the sexual assault victims who sued the school have been fighting for five years to get all of the documents.
Earlier in the litigation, a judge sanctioned Pepper Hamilton for violating court orders that told the firm to reveal the materials. The firm finally followed the court orders, and now, the litigants are fighting about a set of records that were different or new when comparing the documents from the firm with the documents from the university.
Although a magistrate judge ordered Baylor to give them to the plaintiffs, the school is fighting tooth and nail over its privilege claim.
At this stage, the university has filed a mandamus petition with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, claiming that the documents were attorney work product and the district court abused its discretion by issuing a sanction forcing the school to hand over privileged records.
But the plaintiffs in the case have claimed the school is trying to conceal information that they need to press their Title IX claims related to Baylor's scandal, with the litigation alleging the school ignored the girls and created an environment for more sexual assaults to happen.
"Baylor is not interested in turning over these materials, and is going to great lengths to not turn them over, and great expense," said plaintiffs attorney Jim Dunnam of Dunnam & Dunnam in Waco about the discovery battle. "At the end of the day, we will do what is necessary to have the truth come out."
Just as Baylor is seeking relief in the Fifth Circuit, the school is making the same arguments in asking the trial judge, U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman, to press pause on the sanctions order and rule on objections to handing over the Pepper Hamilton documents. Pitman on Wednesday agreed to rule on the objections later this month.
So far, the courts have frowned on the school's arguments about privilege and confidentiality, which have been "seemingly endless," wrote U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew Austin in the April 26 order that Baylor is now appealing.
"When it comes to raising privilege objections, in doing so Baylor has been as aggressive as any party the court has encountered. The end result is that discovery has dominated this case for years and has made it take far longer and cost far more than it needed to," wrote Austin in the order.
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Meh, I'm going back to sleep.
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MaxTeller said:

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING??? THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO HIDE THE TRUTH!! FOR FIVE YEARS........AS I SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO, THEY WOULD COME TO A POINT THAT THEY WOULD SEEK RELIEF FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT THAT HAS THREE OR FOUR BU GRADS INCLUDING THE CHIEF JUDGE.....THEY ARE MISTAKING A VERY CONSERVATIVE COURT FOR A "BAYLOR" FRIENDLY COURT!!! THE COURT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A "LITTLE SYMPATHETIC" HAD BAYLOR AND PEPPER STUCK TO THEIR STORIES, BUT WHEN THEY GOT CAUGHT LYING BY THE JUDGE. WELL EVEN MOST BAYLOR GRADS WOULD HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME AND ADMIT THEIR TRANGRESSIONS, BUT BAYLOR......AIN'T HAPPENING.....NOT GOING TO SIT WELL IN NEW ORLEANS!!! SS
"Not only has Baylor raised numerous privilege and work product issues, but virtually every other Baylor-affiliated third-party(including the former president, former football coach, former athletic director, two separate public relations firms, individual regents, former Baylor employees, and Pepper Hamilton) has done so as well."

"When it comes to raising privilege objections, in doing so Baylor has been as aggressive as any party the court has encountered," U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew Austin wrote.
By Angela Morris | May 12, 2021 at 06:30 PM
In a long-running discovery feud over giving up documents by Philadelphia-based Pepper Hamilton, Baylor University in Waco has asked an appellate court to overturn a judge's sanctions order that said to give them up.
Pepper Hamilton produced the mass of records while working for Baylor to investigate the football team sexual assault scandal and issue a 2016 report.
But the sexual assault victims who sued the school have been fighting for five years to get all of the documents.
Earlier in the litigation, a judge sanctioned Pepper Hamilton for violating court orders that told the firm to reveal the materials. The firm finally followed the court orders, and now, the litigants are fighting about a set of records that were different or new when comparing the documents from the firm with the documents from the university.
Although a magistrate judge ordered Baylor to give them to the plaintiffs, the school is fighting tooth and nail over its privilege claim.
At this stage, the university has filed a mandamus petition with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, claiming that the documents were attorney work product and the district court abused its discretion by issuing a sanction forcing the school to hand over privileged records.
But the plaintiffs in the case have claimed the school is trying to conceal information that they need to press their Title IX claims related to Baylor's scandal, with the litigation alleging the school ignored the girls and created an environment for more sexual assaults to happen.
"Baylor is not interested in turning over these materials, and is going to great lengths to not turn them over, and great expense," said plaintiffs attorney Jim Dunnam of Dunnam & Dunnam in Waco about the discovery battle. "At the end of the day, we will do what is necessary to have the truth come out."
Just as Baylor is seeking relief in the Fifth Circuit, the school is making the same arguments in asking the trial judge, U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman, to press pause on the sanctions order and rule on objections to handing over the Pepper Hamilton documents. Pitman on Wednesday agreed to rule on the objections later this month.
So far, the courts have frowned on the school's arguments about privilege and confidentiality, which have been "seemingly endless," wrote U.S. Magistrate Judge Andrew Austin in the April 26 order that Baylor is now appealing.
"When it comes to raising privilege objections, in doing so Baylor has been as aggressive as any party the court has encountered. The end result is that discovery has dominated this case for years and has made it take far longer and cost far more than it needed to," wrote Austin in the order.


like Malcolm X once uttered . . . the chickens will all come home to roost.

I am not as proud to be a graduate of Baylor University as I once was.
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Baylor has every right to protect attorney-client privilege as anyone else. I get that Trolls are just part of the package on this forum, but what a load of crap. Just go away...
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We have a good law school.
drahthaar
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chorne68 said:

We have a good law school.
...and yet this has not been resolved nor has the plaintiff (plaintiffs) been "encouraged" to let this "go away". Makes one wonder what really has gone on and who has done what (or not done what) to get to this point. Private school and attorney-client privilege aside, evidently some serious missteps have occurred in the Pepper Hamilton relationship with the Regents and Baylor U. to allow this to continue without a judge's intervention. Now is probably not a good time to "pick a side" in this fight but get some popcorn or good Scotch and wait it out.
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Greenbear said:

Baylor has every right to protect attorney-client privilege as anyone else. I get that Trolls are just part of the package on this forum, but what a load of crap. Just go away...
I would have every reason to join you in this sentiment if I didn't know Stranger and his connections at BU as well as his love for the university.
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There is no benefit for Baylor to not fight for attorney client privilege.
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Greenbear said:

Baylor has every right to protect attorney-client privilege as anyone else. I get that Trolls are just part of the package on this forum, but what a load of crap. Just go away...
Right. In that case, they shouldn't have spent so much time trying to waive it.

The manner in which they engaged PH and then used that information was incredibly ill-advised, as you can now see.
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The rumor on BF.Com before Briles etc got dismissed was the PH Report was critical of Greek Life at Baylor. Could this be part of the reason its never been made public ? Embarrassing info ?
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Paula Lavigne
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A former student alleges that Baylor University denied her a chance to try out for its women's tennis team in retaliation for her role in a Title IX investigation that preceded the departure of the men's tennis head coach last year, according to a federal lawsuit filed Wednesday.
The lawsuit states that plaintiff Julia Bonnewitz, who at one time was a nationally ranked tennis player, came to Baylor in 2017 with the hope of playing on the women's tennis team, but was not given a spot and was instead encouraged to play club tennis. In April 2020, after having met men's tennis head coach Brian Boland at a practice, she asked him for help with joining the women's team.
Boland responded by asking her to meet up with him at a time and place she felt was inappropriate, she said, including suggesting once to meet him at a bar past midnight and "to not tell anyone about it." When she didn't respond, the lawsuit states, he "bombarded her" with a dozen consecutive messages asking to meet up.
According to the lawsuit, Baylor officials reached out to Bonnewitz on July 16, 2020 asking for her cooperation with an investigation into "a student who received inappropriate text messages from a staff member."
Bonnewitz told Baylor Title IX investigators at the time that she was "nervous about participating in a Title IX investigation because Ms. Bonnewitz wanted to play tennis and didn't want to have a target on her back," the lawsuit states. After being reassured there would not be retaliation, the lawsuit states, she turned over the text messages. On July 29, 2020, Boland announced his resignation.
About a month later, Bonnewitz met with two senior athletic department officials and asked to try out for the women's team, but she was told there was no spot for her, according to the lawsuit. It states that school officials told her there was a limit to the number of walk-ons they could take, they had an imbalance of men's and women's athletes, and that they couldn't add any more players due to COVID-19.
But the women's tennis team added two more walk-ons later that month, the lawsuit states. A Baylor official said in an email to ESPN that the two athletes the lawsuit refers to as walk-ons were instead "top-rated recruits and signed full aid agreements."
In an interview with ESPN, Bonnewitz said no one told her in 2020 when she asked to try out for the team that she couldn't be on the team because of her ability.
"It was the fact that there wasn't even an opportunity to try out, or be evaluated or be considered," she said. "That was the issue."
Baylor officials declined to comment Wednesday when asked about the investigation into Boland or the lawsuit.
Women's tennis coach Joey Scrivano, who is not named in the lawsuit, did not respond to an email request for comment.
On Aug. 21, 2020, the Waco Tribune-Herald reported on the allegations of inappropriate texts leading to Boland's departure, and according to the article, Boland did not respond to requests for comment.
The newspaper quoted Baylor President Linda Livingstone as saying, "I can't speak to that. It's a personnel issue. He resigned, and we wish him all the best."
ESPN reached out to Boland for a response Wednesday and has not yet received any comment.
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**YAWN** Maxteller is boring me as a troll. Keep dropping stuff and leaving because we know you are a troll.

On stranger, I have never heard any Baylor person who truly loved the university make such a statement. If it is true, then I am a little ashamed of him as a Baylor fan. I want the truth and it will all come out, but now is not the time to speculate or have opinions. Let the attorney's and legal system do their work and when the smoke is clear...then we will all know.
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chriscbear said:

The rumor on BF.Com before Briles etc got dismissed was the PH Report was critical of Greek Life at Baylor. Could this be part of the reason its never been made public ? Embarrassing info ?
I have never heard this rumor
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Ghostrider said:

chriscbear said:

The rumor on BF.Com before Briles etc got dismissed was the PH Report was critical of Greek Life at Baylor. Could this be part of the reason its never been made public ? Embarrassing info ?
I have never heard this rumor
I had thought the problems were campus-wide (Greeks included), not just the football team as the media thinks.

Couple of years ago, there was this - https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/us/baylor-ex-frat-president-rape-allegation

IIRC then-Title IX coordinator said the issues were campus wide. Football team maybe made up 5% or less of the complaints.
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CNC said:

Ghostrider said:

chriscbear said:

The rumor on BF.Com before Briles etc got dismissed was the PH Report was critical of Greek Life at Baylor. Could this be part of the reason its never been made public ? Embarrassing info ?
I have never heard this rumor
I had thought the problems were campus-wide (Greeks included), not just the football team as the media thinks.

Couple of years ago, there was this - https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/us/baylor-ex-frat-president-rape-allegation

IIRC then-Title IX coordinator said the issues were campus wide. Football team maybe made up 5% or less of the complaints.
Yes, this is what I heard and is most accurate.....
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My impression from the whole debacle was the regents decided to burn the football program to smoke screen a larger problem and (of course) their own failings in setting up/running/supporting a proper title IX office. This made things a lot worse and the checkbook was pulled out of the drawer to try to stop the bleeding. Unfortunately we are still bleeding.
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Greenbear said:

**YAWN** Maxteller is boring me as a troll. Keep dropping stuff and leaving because we know you are a troll.

On stranger, I have never heard any Baylor person who truly loved the university make such a statement. If it is true, then I am a little ashamed of him as a Baylor fan. I want the truth and it will all come out, but now is not the time to speculate or have opinions. Let the attorney's and legal system do their work and when the smoke is clear...then we will all know.
I have heard multiple Baylor grads mirror Stranger for a couple of decades now, going back to the Sloan administration. Of course, this is likely because they are older grads familiar with a different leadership , one steeped in wisdom and character to go along with raw practicality and understanding of human nature and dealing with young adults. And, as you say, the legal minds have to work thru this to find answers.
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Greenbear said:

**YAWN** Maxteller is boring me as a troll. Keep dropping stuff and leaving because we know you are a troll.

On stranger, I have never heard any Baylor person who truly loved the university make such a statement. If it is true, then I am a little ashamed of him as a Baylor fan. I want the truth and it will all come out, but now is not the time to speculate or have opinions. Let the attorney's and legal system do their work and when the smoke is clear...then we will all know.

you apparently don't get off this site much.

Many of us love Baylor despite the way some adminstrators and regents have lied and covered up. No. It does not make me proud.

If you want truth, let's hope it comes.
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I would not be surprised if male students close to some Regents were implicated in sexual assaults, and they brought down Art and everything else to cover it up.
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Greenbear said:

**YAWN** Maxteller is boring me as a troll. Keep dropping stuff and leaving because we know you are a troll.

On stranger, I have never heard any Baylor person who truly loved the university make such a statement. If it is true, then I am a little ashamed of him as a Baylor fan. I want the truth and it will all come out, but now is not the time to speculate or have opinions. Let the attorney's and legal system do their work and when the smoke is clear...then we will all know.
I'm a troll? Everything I have posted is publicly available. Unless you have someone you want protected at Baylor (like a regent) most of us want to know the truth and if CAB was scapegoated or not.

Anyone that loves Baylor would want the same thing. I will keep posting such stories as they become public.

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Stranger and Max

We don't need you on here telling us what you believe to be the truth or outcome. Posting articles is not truth. If you are truly a Baylor fan, and sorry I don't believe it, then just wait until all is done and comment. Everything else is being put out there by people who hate Baylor, want to position the media, or have an agenda. There is no balance to your reports or openness to see how it turns out. Both of you have opinions that have already been formed.

Most of us want this over, wanted this over long ago. This isn't a regent issue, but an athletic department and administration that wasn't doing the right things. Baylor administration has an obligation to defend itself. We have made major changes and no one remains who was part of the issue, from what I can tell. We cleaned house. Where is that dialogue?

What remains are legal issues with settlements pending. It is normal, and responsible, for our administration to follow the lead of their attorney's as they try to close this sad chapter.
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Greenbear said:

Stranger and Max

We don't need you on here telling us what you believe to be the truth or outcome. Posting articles is not truth. If you are truly a Baylor fan, and sorry I don't believe it, then just wait until all is done and comment. Everything else is being put out there by people who hate Baylor, want to position the media, or have an agenda. There is no balance to your reports or openness to see how it turns out. Both of you have opinions that have already been formed.

Most of us want this over, wanted this over long ago. This isn't a regent issue, but an athletic department and administration that wasn't doing the right things. Baylor administration has an obligation to defend itself. We have made major changes and no one remains who was part of the issue, from what I can tell. We cleaned house. Where is that dialogue?

What remains are legal issues with settlements pending. It is normal, and responsible, for our administration to follow the lead of their attorney's as they try to close this sad chapter.


We? Who exactly is included in your collective "we"? And who are the rest of us? Do the rest of us fall out of the category of Baylor fans?

Plenty of the rats involved in this mess are no longer around but if you think there is no one left that had a hand in all that went on, then you are extremely naive or maybe just misinformed.

You say "we" have made major changes. Are you a part of the administration?

What's going on now is a bunch of lawyers maneuvering around. Don't expect the results to be necessarily the truth.
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Greenbear said:

**YAWN** Maxteller is boring me as a troll. Keep dropping stuff and leaving because we know you are a troll.

On stranger, I have never heard any Baylor person who truly loved the university make such a statement. If it is true, then I am a little ashamed of him as a Baylor fan. I want the truth and it will all come out, but now is not the time to speculate or have opinions. Let the attorney's and legal system do their work and when the smoke is clear...then we will all know.
You do not seem to have been around Baylor very long or you have ignored a lot of things that have happened. Shaming people into not demanding the truth has been a common practice at Baylor. You have a choice. You can demand the truth or you can be ashamed.
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Greenbear said:

Stranger and Max

We don't need you on here telling us what you believe to be the truth or outcome. Posting articles is not truth. If you are truly a Baylor fan, and sorry I don't believe it, then just wait until all is done and comment. Everything else is being put out there by people who hate Baylor, want to position the media, or have an agenda. There is no balance to your reports or openness to see how it turns out. Both of you have opinions that have already been formed.

Most of us want this over, wanted this over long ago. This isn't a regent issue, but an athletic department and administration that wasn't doing the right things. Baylor administration has an obligation to defend itself. We have made major changes and no one remains who was part of the issue, from what I can tell. We cleaned house. Where is that dialogue?

What remains are legal issues with settlements pending. It is normal, and responsible, for our administration to follow the lead of their attorney's as they try to close this sad chapter.
Actually you do need them, otherwise you are ignoring the truth. The scandal did go all the way up to the BOR. The strategy to buy a bigger carpet to sweep the issues under does not show a high level of integrity.
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CNC said:

Ghostrider said:

chriscbear said:

The rumor on BF.Com before Briles etc got dismissed was the PH Report was critical of Greek Life at Baylor. Could this be part of the reason its never been made public ? Embarrassing info ?
I have never heard this rumor
I had thought the problems were campus-wide (Greeks included), not just the football team as the media thinks.

Couple of years ago, there was this - https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/us/baylor-ex-frat-president-rape-allegation

IIRC then-Title IX coordinator said the issues were campus wide. Football team maybe made up 5% or less of the complaints.
Yeah certainly a university wide issue, but if the football team made up 5% of complaints then that's a serious issue considering they make up what .7% of the student body?
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What is Baylor hiding? Well, they did a pretty good job of hiding my GPA from my parents while I was there.
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If you believe that Baylor, or any other corporation, business or university, is ever going to open the books up for you to read everything you are the one that is naive. I do believe all responsible are gone or significantly diminished in their influence or role. We have a new President, a new AD, 3 football coaches since then and major changes in the people running our university and how they run it. Some aren't happy with repairing something. They want it destroyed again and again. You can't punish people enough. I trust that our current administration and AD are doing the right things. There is no evidence they are not.

Yes, this is now all about the attorney's which is why I resent all of these silly articles that are posted. They are written and promoted for positioning of these law firms. The law firms may not be writing the articles, but there are plenty of people willing to listen and write articles against Baylor with any information.
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BaylorHistory said:

CNC said:

Ghostrider said:

chriscbear said:

The rumor on BF.Com before Briles etc got dismissed was the PH Report was critical of Greek Life at Baylor. Could this be part of the reason its never been made public ? Embarrassing info ?
I have never heard this rumor
I had thought the problems were campus-wide (Greeks included), not just the football team as the media thinks.

Couple of years ago, there was this - https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/us/baylor-ex-frat-president-rape-allegation

IIRC then-Title IX coordinator said the issues were campus wide. Football team maybe made up 5% or less of the complaints.
Yeah certainly a university wide issue, but if the football team made up 5% of complaints then that's a serious issue considering they make up what .7% of the student body?
5% is a guess. I don't remember the exact percentage. Regardless, a small amount.

Although I didn't like the Briles, McCaw, & Starr firings, I moved beyond that a while back.

To me, Baylor should have cleaned house - lot more firings campus wide.

Campus wide issue and we only fire people in the athletic department and the president. Pretty weak.
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Greenbear said:

If you believe that Baylor, or any other corporation, business or university, is ever going to open the books up for you to read everything you are the one that is naive. I do believe all responsible are gone or significantly diminished in their influence or role. We have a new President, a new AD, 3 football coaches since then and major changes in the people running our university and how they run it. Some aren't happy with repairing something. They want it destroyed again and again. You can't punish people enough. I trust that our current administration and AD are doing the right things. There is no evidence they are not.

Yes, this is now all about the attorney's which is why I resent all of these silly articles that are posted. They are written and promoted for positioning of these law firms. The law firms may not be writing the articles, but there are plenty of people willing to listen and write articles against Baylor with any information.


you never answered the question. Do you work for Baylor University in any capacity?

You mentioned new administration. However, the BOR remains very much the same.
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Timbear said:

I would not be surprised if male students close to some Regents were implicated in sexual assaults, and they brought down Art and everything else to cover it up.
We may never know but the way things were handled hush hush except for a script delivered to the WSJ makes you wonder WHY?
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Greenbear said:

I want the truth and it will all come out, but now is not the time to speculate or have opinions. Let the attorney's and legal system do their work and when the smoke is clear...then we will all know.
Then why post on this bulletin board?

This board is 100% opinions, speculation, hearsay, theorizing, bragging, lolly-gagging, dough popping, @$$ kissing, etc.
"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
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Guy Noir said:


Actually you do need them, otherwise you are ignoring the truth. The scandal did go all the way up to the BOR. The strategy to buy a bigger carpet to sweep the issues under does not show a high level of integrity.
I have always wondered why it has taken so long and so much money for them to sweep this under the rug.

How many PR and Law firms have we hired by this time 5-14-21?

Have many millions have we spent?

And its still not over....yikes.
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Greenbear said:

Baylor has every right to protect attorney-client privilege as anyone else. I get that Trolls are just part of the package on this forum, but what a load of crap. Just go away...
You know what is a load of crap? Hiring a law firm to conduct an "independent investigation" and then later claiming, no wait!, they are OUR lawyers. Baylor has no privilege right over work product from an independent investigation, unless that was a sham investigation all along.
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Malbec said:

Greenbear said:

Baylor has every right to protect attorney-client privilege as anyone else. I get that Trolls are just part of the package on this forum, but what a load of crap. Just go away...
You know what is a load of crap? Hiring a law firm to conduct an "independent investigation" and then later claiming, no wait!, they are OUR lawyers. Baylor has no privilege right over work product from an independent investigation, unless that was a sham investigation all along.
This is pretty much how ever lawsuit works.
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Malbec said:

Greenbear said:

Baylor has every right to protect attorney-client privilege as anyone else. I get that Trolls are just part of the package on this forum, but what a load of crap. Just go away...
You know what is a load of crap? Hiring a law firm to conduct an "independent investigation" and then later claiming, no wait!, they are OUR lawyers. Baylor has no privilege right over work product from an independent investigation, unless that was a sham investigation all along.
Especially after selectively blathering bits of it all over creation.

If you want to keep attorney work product confidential, there is certainly a way to do it.
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