I agree that it seems like that. But the distinction makes no sense if it is based on the idea that the right to use derives from the payment of property taxes. The Midway resident/Live Oak attendee's parents pay Midway property taxes. Why does he (or she) not get to pick and choose Midway extracurriculars? What is the difference between a private school kid and a home schooled kid?Osodecentx said:Sorry. I misunderstood.Booray said:What I am asking is does the bill allow the kid to play for Midway while he still attends Live Oak?Osodecentx said:That happened a couple of years ago. Live Oak objected and the player had to play JV for his first year at Midway. The player had lived in the MW attendance zone for yearsBooray said:
A lot of this has been about home schoolers. What about private school kids (I don't know if the bill includes them). In Waco, Live Oak and Vanguard play 6 man. Lets say a kid living in Midway is good enough to play for the Panthers but he attends one of those two other schools. Does he get to elect to play for the Panthers?
The bill seems to apply to home schoolers and a student a LO isn't being home schooled, but I have no insight on the question.
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Dan Patrick would ask the same question. He's been trying to get private schools into the UIL for years. Fortunately his nonsense has been resisted to this point. This bill would seem to widen the crack in that door, however.Booray said:I agree that it seems like that. But the distinction makes no sense if it is based on the idea that the right to use derives from the payment of property taxes. The Midway resident/Live Oak attendee's parents pay Midway property taxes. Why does he (or she) not get to pick and choose Midway extracurriculars? What is the difference between a private school kid and a home schooled kid?Osodecentx said:Sorry. I misunderstood.Booray said:What I am asking is does the bill allow the kid to play for Midway while he still attends Live Oak?Osodecentx said:That happened a couple of years ago. Live Oak objected and the player had to play JV for his first year at Midway. The player had lived in the MW attendance zone for yearsBooray said:
A lot of this has been about home schoolers. What about private school kids (I don't know if the bill includes them). In Waco, Live Oak and Vanguard play 6 man. Lets say a kid living in Midway is good enough to play for the Panthers but he attends one of those two other schools. Does he get to elect to play for the Panthers?
The bill seems to apply to home schoolers and a student a LO isn't being home schooled, but I have no insight on the question.
ShooterTX said:A good friend of mine decided to pull his daughter out of public school in the middle of spring about 2 years ago. He and his wife had had enough of the political propaganda that the schools were pushing, and calling it "science" or "history".bear2be2 said:If you think you can do better, great. No teacher likely wants to deal with you or teach your kids anyway.Canon said:bear2be2 said:I have made no such thing clear. But I am going to object to any conversation on education/education reform that begins in a place disrespect for the teaching profession as a whole.ShooterTX said:yeah... this is pretty much boilerplate stuff. Anyone who has ever attempted to engage in education reform conversations has heard what you just said.... pretty much verbatim.bear2be2 said:Teachers and farmers both have jobs that are vitally important to the health of a society and neither receives the thanks they deserve for it -- in respect or monetary compensation. The inverse is true of most other occupations.ShooterTX said:I was attempting a bit of humor.bear2be2 said:And here's one now.ShooterTX said:bear2be2 said:
One of my least favorite parts of the pandemic was listening to a bunch fat, bloated slobs with meaningless jobs...
at this point I thought you were going to engage in some teacher bashing.
I was so relieved that it quickly shifted into teacher-sainthood and public school worship... that was a close one!
So teachers have meaningless jobs now? I could see how someone who ignorantly believes every day at a public school is an episode of Law and Order might think that.
I think it is ironic that you laud teaching so much, and demean the everyday jobs of the parents to such an amazing degree. You characterize anyone who complains about teachers as a "fat, bloated slob with a meaningless job"... amazing. The irony that you attacked me for my joke, is just so rich!
Being a teacher is a job. It is not sainthood or only slightly less important than being the actual Messiah... it's just another job. Sorry to bring the reality, but it's true.
Teacher are replaceable.. just like most jobs and most workers in the world today.. they are not irreplaceable. It's not a particularly easy job, but that doesn't makes it unique. Being a framer in the middle of July in Texas is also an amazingly tough job... but that doesn't make it a saintly profession.
Teaching is, indeed, a job. But to all good teachers I've ever met, including my wife, mother, sister and cousin, it's also a calling. They make ****ty salaries, deal with troubled and misbehaving kids, put up with endless **** from parents, work silly hours and spend their own money on supplies -- only to be disrespected constantly. And why do they do it? Not because they couldn't find other jobs. They do it because they care about the education and well-being of the kids they teach -- even when their parents don't.
And notice, I don't make any distinction between public and private school teachers. The only real difference I've found is that private school teachers are paid considerably less for some reason.
You are placing teachers on such a high pedestal, that it virtually eliminates the possibility of progress. You are exactly who you expressed yourself to be in the original post... you worship teachers and the teaching profession. Teachers sit at the right hand of Jesus in your world.
There is really no point in trying to have a productive conversation with you on this topic. You have made it clear that any discussions going forward, must be completely "hand off" when it comes to teachers and their responsibilities.
Good luck to you.
Shooter,
The fear from the the "public employees as demigod" crowd became palpable about halfway through Covid, when everyone realized how much better they could do teaching their own kids, how much better their kids did in half the time, how much propaganda was being dispensed to their children, how much wasted time goes on in public schools and how rampant poor teaching is.
It was the confluence of these factors that relaunched the breathless, effusive public virtue signaling about how indispensable public teachers are, by leftists. It's one of the big lies they tell....and it had become patently absurd to parents virtually overnight. Expect to hear it repeated, ad-Goebbels, for the next few years.
Teachers are very well paid, get amazing (early...prior to 60) retirements, summers off, require only a limited education past HS, and are virtually immune to termination. The vast majority now are after the stability, the benefits and the constant fluffing about their 'avocation'. The handful who actually care are great. Unfortunately, they are as rare as hen's teeth.
He received 3 different calls from administrators, begging them to come back. The last call was when they asked him if his daughter could just come back and take her state tests for at the end of the year. That's when he realized that the only value his daughter really had for them, was to bring up the standardized test scores, so the school could keep their ranking and their money.
"No teacher likely wants to deal with you or teach your kids anyway." - this statement is true in many cases, but not for the reasons you insinuated. They don't want to "deal with" or "teach" good kids, because they don't care about them beyond their standardized test scores.
You have a ridiculous level of worship for teachers. Teaching is really not that hard. I've done it, and so have many of my family, in homeschool, public school and private school. My original posts had NOTHING to do with teachers... YOU brought up teachers, by denigrating and attacking parents & their jobs, which was specious & unnecessary.
Teachers unions and the red tape around teachers in public schools IS a massive part of the problem... but someone who worships the profession as you do will never admit to that. For this reason, you are not a rational participant in a conversation about improving public education... you are perpetuating the problems. Your illogical & emotional devotion to public school teachers also blinds you to the realities of homeschooling and alternatives to public school... and that is sad.
I forgot to add that the original private school, from which we withdrew our kids, had the elementary school librarian reading 'Sparkle boy', by the author of 'Heather has two mommies', to my kindergartener. (It attempts to normalize cross dressing to children). She was literally reading it to every class, up through 3rd grade, at least.
She had prior to that (2 days?) sent home bookmarks which came from a children's book publisher which highlighted/advertised several books, including that one. I saw it and had a talk with my kids about why that sort of thing is disordered and how God made us boys or girls and we should celebrate being the sex God made us and not pretend to be something else. I told them that some adults (including teachers) wanted to make that kind of thing normal and we didn't agree with it. They didn't need my help to see it was disordered.
Fast forward two days...When it got to my son's class, he informed the librarian in the reading session, "my dad said that book is wrong!" She put it aside and within a few days, out of fear others would discover what she was doing, the school removed it from the library.
Very proud of my kids. Propagandizing children is wrong and is becoming normalized in even private schools.
There was an episode on UN 'Childrens rights' we had to sort through as well, but I'll save that for later. Needless to say, be careful what your kids are being taught by teachers.
Osodecentx said:A player transferring into a school has to go through a process. The players family has to file a form and the schools have to file forms. The school from which the player is transferring fills out the same form, as does the receiving school. Then the EC of the receiving school has to sign off on it.Robert Wilson said:That rule just dampens recruiting across school district lines. I assume homeschoolers can't just parachute into any school anywhere and play varsity immediately but still have to follow the same residence rules. Even kids attending school can transfer into a district where they don't live and play immediately and varsity after a 1 year cooling off period.bear2be2 said:My taxes help pay for streets. Does that entitle me to drive in the turn lane or ignore stop signs? Of course not.Canon said:bear2be2 said:LiBeartarian said:Last I checked home school parents still pay full school tax. So yeah, they are entitled to the extra curricular of government schools and should demand it.bear2be2 said:I'm against it because the public school coaches I deal with on a near daily basis are pretty staunchly against it.LIB,MR BEARS said:When the legislature answers these questions, I'll let you know if I'm for or against it.Osodecentx said:
I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm curious.
Does No pass, no play rule apply to home school athletes?
Are they required to take Staar tests like public schoolers?
Transferring from one school to another in a different attendance zone is a relatively rigorous process. It requires the 2 schools (one from which student is transferring & one to which student is transferring) to declare whether it is for sports participation.
Will the district EC have jurisdiction over home schoolers like it does over public schoolers?
Grade inflation?
Academic rigor?
This reeks of the type of attack on public school norms we've seen Dan Patrick lead in recent years.
If you don't want to send your kids to public school, fine. But you shouldn't get to demand the benefits of public schooling from outside of that system.
And their local public school system is available to them should they -- like the vast majority of their neighbors -- choose to take advantage of it. They are choosing to forego that public service, not being excluded from it. Trying to turn it into an a la carte table when it was not created to be just speaks to the entitlement of a crowd that wants its cake and to eat it to.
It wants only the cake it paid for. Who are you to deny entitlements? Your way or the highway? They either let you propagandize their children all day or no games?
Petty tyrants are silly and should feel embarrassed, yet rarely are.
Rules were established a long time ago to govern interscholastic athletics in Texas -- with the most basic being that members of a particular team must attend that particular school. We now have people saying those rules shouldn't apply to them. They're demanding to be allowed to represent a school they elected not to go to. It's entitlement, plain and simple.
99% of the time there is no problem and the player can start playing immediately, even varsity.
A player transferring from a private school has to comply and may not be able to play if the private school objects (claims it was for the purpose of playing athletics), even if the player has lived in the attendance zone of the receiving school for years.
Yep. It's a piece of cake.
I've only seen it be a problem once when a private school of all things was petty about it as a kid went to his proper geographic public school.
I never said it made sense, just that it is well settledBooray said:I agree that it seems like that. But the distinction makes no sense if it is based on the idea that the right to use derives from the payment of property taxes. The Midway resident/Live Oak attendee's parents pay Midway property taxes. Why does he (or she) not get to pick and choose Midway extracurriculars? What is the difference between a private school kid and a home schooled kid?Osodecentx said:Sorry. I misunderstood.Booray said:What I am asking is does the bill allow the kid to play for Midway while he still attends Live Oak?Osodecentx said:That happened a couple of years ago. Live Oak objected and the player had to play JV for his first year at Midway. The player had lived in the MW attendance zone for yearsBooray said:
A lot of this has been about home schoolers. What about private school kids (I don't know if the bill includes them). In Waco, Live Oak and Vanguard play 6 man. Lets say a kid living in Midway is good enough to play for the Panthers but he attends one of those two other schools. Does he get to elect to play for the Panthers?
The bill seems to apply to home schoolers and a student a LO isn't being home schooled, but I have no insight on the question.