Graphing A Weakening Virus

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ATL Bear
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Certainly vaccines and better treatment/understanding contributes to this number, but it's undeniable that the virus is weakening as they usually do over time

First wave (most deadly) lower case counts, highest mortality. Second wave, high case count, lower mortality rate, third wave (Delta variant), high case count, negligible mortality.



Canon
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This is the reason the chicken littles are all screaming about the number of cases now instead of the number of deaths. They want more deaths to sell, but they just aren't getting them.....so they switch metrics to something irrelevant.

Their fear porn isn't working any longer and boy are they angry about it. They need your fear to force your compliance.
Canada2017
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Viruses don't 'always' get weaker over time.

Novel viruses usually ( but not always ) revert to their mean virulence over time .
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Fortunately COVID doesn't have the incredible virulence of some past killers .

In my opinion this D strain does appear to be over hyped...at least ....... up to this point .
Especially in regards to those who have already been vaccinated .

Media needs to stop screaming.



ATL Bear
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Canada2017 said:

Viruses don't 'always' get weaker over time.

Novel viruses usually ( but not always ) revert to their mean virulence over time .
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Fortunately COVID doesn't have the incredible virulence of some past killers .

In my opinion this D strain does appear to be over hyped...at least ....... up to this point .
Especially in regards to those who have already been vaccinated .

Media needs to stop screaming.




Fair assessment. Will re-state to they "usually" get weaker over time. That's the essence of viral mutation most of the time.

EDIT: I actually did say usually and not always. FYI.
Sam Lowry
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Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Canada2017
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Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Sam Lowry
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Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Canada2017
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Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Respectfully disagree.

Have seen no journal studies supporting either hypothesis .
ATL Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Canada2017
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
+1
Sam Lowry
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Yeah, no.
Canon
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Yeah, no.


Be afraid, ATL. He needs you to be afraid.
4th and Inches
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Yeah, no.
but it is science, you dont trust science?
Sam Lowry
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4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Yeah, no.
but it is science, you dont trust science?
Most mutations are harmful to the virus. What you're not getting is that an increase in virulence is also harmful to the virus. They tend to "weaken" against humans as they get stronger in their environment.
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Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Respectfully disagree.

Have seen no journal studies supporting either hypothesis .


Have you seen any journal studies that masks help the situation?
ATL Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Yeah, no.
but it is science, you dont trust science?
Most mutations are harmful to the virus. What you're not getting is that an increase in virulence is also harmful to the virus. They tend to "weaken" against humans as they get stronger in their environment.
Virulence is reflected in severe outcomes. That's not showing in the data.
Oldbear83
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Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Because Sam's politics need the virus to be a global threat to every potential voter
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Sam Lowry
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Yeah, no.
but it is science, you dont trust science?
Most mutations are harmful to the virus. What you're not getting is that an increase in virulence is also harmful to the virus. They tend to "weaken" against humans as they get stronger in their environment.
Virulence is reflected in severe outcomes. That's not showing in the data.
There are many factors. Delta currently seems more prevalent in younger groups.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
riflebear
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Canada2017 said:

Viruses don't 'always' get weaker over time.

Novel viruses usually ( but not always ) revert to their mean virulence over time .
\


Fortunately COVID doesn't have the incredible virulence of some past killers .

In my opinion this D strain does appear to be over hyped...at least ....... up to this point .
Especially in regards to those who have already been vaccinated .

Media needs to stop screaming.






It's their new political pawn. Go after the conservative states with the highest cases. Then when it spreads they will use it in the next elections to blame conservatives. It's so easy to see what the media is doing on a daily basis but America is too dumb to notice it just don't care because it helps their side/liberals
Canada2017
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Baylor3216 said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Respectfully disagree.

Have seen no journal studies supporting either hypothesis .


Have you seen any journal studies that masks help the situation?
Yes...repeatedly .

And no.......I am not going to spend the time digging them up.


At this point, 600,000 plus COVID related deaths later ......few ( if any ) are going to suddenly alter their viewpoints now.
Canada2017
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riflebear said:

Canada2017 said:

Viruses don't 'always' get weaker over time.

Novel viruses usually ( but not always ) revert to their mean virulence over time .
\


Fortunately COVID doesn't have the incredible virulence of some past killers .

In my opinion this D strain does appear to be over hyped...at least ....... up to this point .
Especially in regards to those who have already been vaccinated .

Media needs to stop screaming.






It's their new political pawn. Go after the conservative states with the highest cases. Then when it spreads they will use it in the next elections to blame conservatives. It's so easy to see what the media is doing on a daily basis but America is too dumb to notice it just don't care because it helps their side/liberals
I have noticed this apparent trend .

You may very well be correct.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening. The mortality rate proves as such. These kinds of viruses typically attenuate over time before puttering out. ATL is exactly right - they become more contagious but weaken and that's exactly what appears to be happening here.

The team at UT that's tracking the virus said the other day that this virus is following their projections. My friend who is on their team believes based on projections it will be gone within 2 years. He's been right in all of his predictions so far.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.
Canon
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, really.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.
Well, it's been a year and a half, and you denialists haven't been right yet. Guess there's no reason to start now.
Canon
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.


May we all have half the faith in Christ that Sam has in Democrat politicians and Fauci.
Sam Lowry
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Canon said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.


May we all have half the faith in Christ that Sam has in science.
FIFY, and amen.
Canon
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Sam Lowry said:

Canon said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.


May we all have half the faith in Christ that Sam has in science.
FIFY, and amen.


If only science is what you had faith in. You picked your unfalsifiable faith and it's neither science or Christ.
Sam Lowry
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There are opinions not based on politics or personal interest. I know this is hard to understand.

Nothing would make me happier than to see the virus weaken. It will do so eventually.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Canon said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.


May we all have half the faith in Christ that Sam has in science.
FIFY, and amen.


Therein lies your problem. Put you faith in Christ alone and not man.
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canon said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.


May we all have half the faith in Christ that Sam has in science.
FIFY, and amen.


Therein lies your problem. Put you faith in Christ alone and not man.
Science and religion both have their place.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canon said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.


May we all have half the faith in Christ that Sam has in science.
FIFY, and amen.


Therein lies your problem. Put you faith in Christ alone and not man.
Science and religion both have their place.


Nobody said otherwise. Your error is putting you faith in something man made.
ATL Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Simply untrue and unsupported. Mutations weaken viruses because mutations are harmful to the virus the vast majority of the time. That's true in every living organism.
Yeah, no.
but it is science, you dont trust science?
Most mutations are harmful to the virus. What you're not getting is that an increase in virulence is also harmful to the virus. They tend to "weaken" against humans as they get stronger in their environment.
Virulence is reflected in severe outcomes. That's not showing in the data.
There are many factors. Delta currently seems more prevalent in younger groups.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

Have no clue what you think this is saying. It certainly isn't anything about virulence or the fact the virus is weakening.
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canon said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.


It's undeniable that it's weakening.
No, not really.


Yes, it is. I understand why it's difficult for you to deny it, given what a bogeyman it's been in your mind.


May we all have half the faith in Christ that Sam has in science.
FIFY, and amen.


Therein lies your problem. Put you faith in Christ alone and not man.
Science and religion both have their place.


Nobody said otherwise. Your error is putting you faith in something man made.
Your error is believing there's a conflict between science and Christ. It's the same mistake atheists often make.
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