Graphing A Weakening Virus

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Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:



Could new variants be created by antibody-mediated selection due to vaccination?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
They were looking out for ADE in trials but didn't see evidence of it.
It appears it might be the case.
Osodecentx
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Canon said:

Sam, Oso and DC are all off the rails on this topic. The only standard they seem to be able to hold to is "Be afraid. Be very Afraid!!"
I'm not afraid because I have been vaccinated.

I don't think people who have been vaccinated should have to wear masks. Vaccinated people wearing masks do so for the benefit of the unvaxxed. Some vaccinated people contract a subclinical case of Covid. Their disease poses no serious risk to them, but they shed virus that may infect the unvaxxed.

I don't think kids in K-12 should have to wear masks.
I don't think anyone should be forced to receive the vaccine, but your employer shouldn't be liable for any person who is unvaxxed and becomes ill or dies.

The time for personal responsibility has arrived and time for consequences for inaction. Be very afraid
Whiskey Pete
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Jacques Strap said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

Canada2017 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:



One thing is certain. Life expectancy went down by over a full year last year, I think about 1.5 years.




Wow, that is a sobering statistic .

But the same folks will simply ignore the ramifications .

Meanwhile this D variant is spreading ....during the hot summer months no less. Hope some new therapeutics come along within the next 90 days .

Been disappointed overall with the lack of development in that area.
I think we are getting a real lesson on the contagion of this deadly virus or any virus.

There were people that actually though once Trump was voted out the new administration, with different guidelines, would stop the virus or at least contain it. We are incapable of containing it.

Since Trump was blamed for it's spread, Biden needs to step up and take his share of blame. Refusing to close the border just makes the spread worse, much worse.

I daily am hoping for this to abate, but it just isn't happening.


how's that going for 'ole dementia joe?
D. C. Bear
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ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:



One thing is certain. Life expectancy went down by over a full year last year, I think about 1.5 years.




Wow, that is a sobering statistic .

But the same folks will simply ignore the ramifications .

Meanwhile this D variant is spreading ....during the hot summer months no less. Hope some new therapeutics come along within the next 90 days .

Been disappointed overall with the lack of development in that area.
Very much so.


Yes, would like to see some of these pan out.

https://www.genengnews.com/category/covid-19-candidates/
ATL Bear
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D. C. Bear said:

ATL Bear said:

Canada2017 said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:



One thing is certain. Life expectancy went down by over a full year last year, I think about 1.5 years.




Wow, that is a sobering statistic .

But the same folks will simply ignore the ramifications .

Meanwhile this D variant is spreading ....during the hot summer months no less. Hope some new therapeutics come along within the next 90 days .

Been disappointed overall with the lack of development in that area.
Very much so.


Yes, would like to see some of these pan out.

https://www.genengnews.com/category/covid-19-candidates/
Remdesivir is the only one (therapeutic) the FDA has approved from that entire list, plus most are vaccine related, which appears to be the continued focus.
C. Jordan
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Sam Lowry said:

Canada2017 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Unlikely that it's weakening. Fewer deaths are good, but there can be many reasons for that.
Why is it unlikely to be weakening ?
Viruses weaken because killing the host makes it harder for them to spread. Covid takes a long time to kill, which means deadlier variants have more time to thrive before they're selected out. Early indications are that Delta is more virulent.
Yep.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:



Could new variants be created by antibody-mediated selection due to vaccination?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
They were looking out for ADE in trials but didn't see evidence of it.
It appears it might be the case.
Source?
Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:



Could new variants be created by antibody-mediated selection due to vaccination?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
They were looking out for ADE in trials but didn't see evidence of it.
It appears it might be the case.
Source?
No source, just the most plausible reasoning that based on the data suggesting fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood - facilitating spread.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:



Could new variants be created by antibody-mediated selection due to vaccination?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
They were looking out for ADE in trials but didn't see evidence of it.
It appears it might be the case.
Source?
No source, just the most plausible reasoning that based on the data suggesting fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood - facilitating spread.
Delta is associated with higher viral loads, but it originated before vaccines were available.
 
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