Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

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That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

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Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

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You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

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Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

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There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

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The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

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That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

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Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

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So, what's being done that is bad and what's being done that's good, in your opinion?

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I don't have a whole manifesto ready to post. Government has done a lot of good work establishing reliable practices in business, contracts, and property. Also defining constitutional rights and applying them to the states. It's done a huge amount of cultural damage through socially activist court decisions.

Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

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You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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On the contrary, we all see what you are doing.

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

---

Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

---

There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

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The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

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Ultimately this is the reality. Either you think every politician is a complete moron *or* a whole lot of people with a whole lot of degrees understand that the right answer to balancing a budget is spend less and tax more but you cannot get elected on that platform.

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

---

Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

---

There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

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The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

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There's the problem. Grifting as an elected public official is so much more profitable than what these buffoons can make in the private sector, that they will say and do anything to stay in the racket. The bigger government becomes, the more partners they have in the swindle.

nein51 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

---

Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

---

There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

---

The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

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the right answer to balancing a budget is spend less and tax more but you cannot get elected on that platform.

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It's actually just spend less.

We collect enough taxes already to greatly reduce our own problems but we spend it on war and terrible government programs that hardly anyone benefits from.

Doc Holliday said:

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nein51 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

---

Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

---

There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

---

The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

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the right answer to balancing a budget is spend less and tax more but you cannot get elected on that platform.

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It's actually just spend less.

We collect enough taxes already to greatly reduce our own problems but we spend it on war and terrible government programs that hardly anyone benefits from.

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In practice you cant cut spending enough to balance the budget. In theory I love that as a concept.

I will agree to personally, willingly, happily pay more in taxes if it comes with an offsetting dollar of spending. Not an accounting trick but an actual cut. 1:1

But that just wont happen. Taxes increase, spending increases and no one really cares.

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

---

Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

---

There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

---

The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

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The fault is systemic. It's the structure of our country.

The very fabric of a competitive bureaucracy is to expand just like a private sector company. They seek endless growth. If they were real problem solvers, honest, frugal and overall good...fine, but they're not.

They're crooks, frauds, snakes and they have absolutely zero accountability.

You want to see the future of our country under any tax structure with how reckless and insane DC is? It looks like crumbling infrastructure and incompetence. Daily power outages, water shortages, failed education, collapse of bridges and buildings will be normal and expected.

This entire country will look like Baltimore by the end of the century if nothing changes. We are headed directly towards economic collapse that we can't get out of.

"no one really cares."

Actually, a lot of people care. Just not the media and the career politicians.

Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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If we were paying 10% or 90%, the government will ALWAYS spend more than it takes in by a certain percentage. It will be red into the trillions.

The idea that higher taxes translates to better budgeting is bull*****

So why not let the people keep more of their own money? Why would it be better in the hands of the people about to run out of social security funding in a decade?

I could take half of my social security taxes, invest them and have tenfold what the feds will give me.

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You have your head in the clouds. The government will not always spend more than it takes in. If the past 4 administrations are anything to go by, it is Democrats that will get the deficit under control.

It does matter. This premise of "the government is going to raise the deficit infinitely, so let's all vote to ban taxes" is not rooted in reality. I won't argue with a fairytale premise, and that's exactly what your argument is. I'm not a fairy.

Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

---

I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

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When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

---

Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

---

There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

---

The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

---

The fault is systemic. It's the structure of our country.

The very fabric of a competitive bureaucracy is to expand just like a private sector company. They seek endless growth. If they were real problem solvers, honest, frugal and overall good...fine, but they're not.

They're crooks, frauds, snakes and they have absolutely zero accountability.

You want to see the future of our country under any tax structure with how reckless and insane DC is? It looks like crumbling infrastructure and incompetence. Daily power outages, water shortages, failed education, collapse of bridges and buildings will be normal and expected.

This entire country will look like Baltimore by the end of the century if nothing changes. We are headed directly towards economic collapse that we can't get out of.

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#MintTheCoin This is actually being floated out there as an answer to the debt ceiling.

Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

---

I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

---

Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

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When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

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No, YOU be better.

Lead with your own wallet and stop worrying what other people do or what they pay.

You got a serious case of envy working and it will never improve your own life in the slightest.

Porteroso: "The government will not always spend more than it takes in. "


What is that claim based on? Certainly not human history.

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

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That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

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Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

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You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

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When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

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True story: You sound like my liberal brother-in-law. He's wildly liberal and always gripe about rich people not paying their fair share. He never made much money at all (kind of a loser really), but he had an idea for an app and a friend of his liked the idea and invested in it. His friend also found other investors. Before you know it, he started making money. There for about 5 or 6 years he made the most than he ever had, $120K per year - not much really, but to him is was a fortune.

So how did it all end for him? Well, he never paid his income taxes and the IRS hit him with a lien for $255,000 in unpaid back taxes. He had to sell his house and the investors bought him out of the company so he could pay his taxes. Where is he now? Back to have nothing and griping about rich people not paying for their share, irony much?

Hell, I remember one time he told me he was going to move out to the country so he wouldn't have to pay Midway ISD taxes (because he had no kids in Midway ISD). I had to kindly let him now, you can escape the city taxes, but you can't escape the school taxes.

I seriously doubt you'll be calling for higher taxes on yourself. Even uber liberals that are wealthy find ways to avoid the tax man.

I think a lot of Americans would be outraged if they understood what politicians are really doing when they talk about taxes. Both Republicans and Democrats like to play word games when they talk about taxes, especially when they lie so often about making the rich 'pay their fair share'.

The plain fact is that lobbyists are paid by the really rich to make sure that never happens. The heaviest burden lands - always - on middle class working people who are - usually after many years of hard work - finally seeing some success in their paycheck.

I guarantee you as a part of our income, you and I pay a much higher % than anyone from the Kennedy, Pelosi, Trump, Schumer, Romney, Biden, Bush or Obama families. And that is as they planned it.

The creeps in power play us against each other, in order to make us blind to what they do.

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

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That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

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Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

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You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

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When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

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No, YOU be better.

Lead with your own wallet and stop worrying what other people do or what they pay.

You got a serious case of envy working and it will never improve your own life in the slightest.

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Your logic is that anyone who is ok with a progressive tax system is envious. That's almost unbelievably dumb, but you're a Republican, right?

Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso: "The government will not always spend more than it takes in. "


What is that claim based on? Certainly not human history.

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Our spending was even with our intake, all time, in 2001. Hilarious that the time since is "human history."

Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

---

When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

---

True story: You sound like my liberal brother-in-law. He's wildly liberal and always gripe about rich people not paying their fair share. He never made much money at all (kind of a loser really), but he had an idea for an app and a friend of his liked the idea and invested in it. His friend also found other investors. Before you know it, he started making money. There for about 5 or 6 years he made the most than he ever had, $120K per year - not much really, but to him is was a fortune.

So how did it all end for him? Well, he never paid his income taxes and the IRS hit him with a lien for $255,000 in unpaid back taxes. He had to sell his house and the investors bought him out of the company so he could pay his taxes. Where is he now? Back to have nothing and griping about rich people not paying for their share, irony much?

Hell, I remember one time he told me he was going to move out to the country so he wouldn't have to pay Midway ISD taxes (because he had no kids in Midway ISD). I had to kindly let him now, you can escape the city taxes, but you can't escape the school taxes.

I seriously doubt you'll be calling for higher taxes on yourself. Even uber liberals that are wealthy find ways to avoid the tax man.

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You can think I'm like your brother all you want. It's irrelevant enough that I'm not going to try to change your mind.

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

---

I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

---

Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

---

When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

---

No, YOU be better.

Lead with your own wallet and stop worrying what other people do or what they pay.

You got a serious case of envy working and it will never improve your own life in the slightest.

---

Your logic is that anyone who is ok with a progressive tax system is envious. That's almost unbelievably dumb, but you're a Republican, right?

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You gonna get us a flat tax? Way too many lawyers and accountants in this country. The government would have to downsize the IRS. Good luck with that. I am pulling for you.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

---

I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

---

Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

---

Nice 2-step

---

I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

---

Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

---

When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

---

No, YOU be better.

Lead with your own wallet and stop worrying what other people do or what they pay.

You got a serious case of envy working and it will never improve your own life in the slightest.

---

Your logic is that anyone who is ok with a progressive tax system is envious. That's almost unbelievably dumb, but you're a Republican, right?

---

You gonna get us a flat tax? Way too many lawyers and accountants in this country. The government would have to downsize the IRS. Good luck with that. I am pulling for you.

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Flat tax is unfair. It assumes that everyone profits the same under the current economic system. In reality, it's really easy to make money once you have money. With none, you have nothing but your own hard work to make anything.

Wealth inequality is real. The lefties have idiotic ideas about how to fix it, but the righties who want to pretend it doesn't exist are even worse. The middle class is fast shrinking, the poor getting poorer, the rich getting richer, so only the ignorant wants a flat tax. I'm aware there are plenty of them.

Flat taxers are the right wing equivalents of socialists. Great idea in a vacuum. Seemingly as fair as it could ever be. Horrible idea in reality.

Porteroso said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

---

I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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If we were paying 10% or 90%, the government will ALWAYS spend more than it takes in by a certain percentage. It will be red into the trillions.

The idea that higher taxes translates to better budgeting is bull*****

So why not let the people keep more of their own money? Why would it be better in the hands of the people about to run out of social security funding in a decade?

I could take half of my social security taxes, invest them and have tenfold what the feds will give me.

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You have your head in the clouds. The government will not always spend more than it takes in. If the past 4 administrations are anything to go by, it is Democrats that will get the deficit under control.

It does matter. This premise of "the government is going to raise the deficit infinitely, so let's all vote to ban taxes" is not rooted in reality. I won't argue with a fairytale premise, and that's exactly what your argument is. I'm not a fairy.

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There's no evidence of modern US government (post 2001) taking in more than it spends.

Do you know how much we go over budget?

We're $30T in the red my guy.

I'm not saying to ban all taxes. What I'm saying is to get our ****ing **** in order before asking for more money!

Is your stance to raise taxes and do nothing to curb spending? How are you going to do that if we play world police and allow omnibus bills to pass?

Porteroso said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

---

I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

---

Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

---

Nice 2-step

---

I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

---

Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

---

When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

---

No, YOU be better.

Lead with your own wallet and stop worrying what other people do or what they pay.

You got a serious case of envy working and it will never improve your own life in the slightest.

---

Your logic is that anyone who is ok with a progressive tax system is envious. That's almost unbelievably dumb, but you're a Republican, right?

---

You gonna get us a flat tax? Way too many lawyers and accountants in this country. The government would have to downsize the IRS. Good luck with that. I am pulling for you.

---

Flat tax is unfair. It assumes that everyone profits the same under the current economic system. In reality, it's really easy to make money once you have money. With none, you have nothing but your own hard work to make anything.

Wealth inequality is real. The lefties have idiotic ideas about how to fix it, but the righties who want to pretend it doesn't exist are even worse. The middle class is fast shrinking, the poor getting poorer, the rich getting richer, so only the ignorant wants a flat tax. I'm aware there are plenty of them.

Flat taxers are the right wing equivalents of socialists. Great idea in a vacuum. Seemingly as fair as it could ever be. Horrible idea in reality.

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The top 1 percent pay 30 percent of the taxes and the bottom 40 percent pay nothing. What is not to like about a flat tax?

If your earn $1,000,000, you pay $150,000 in taxes.

If you make $1,000, you pay $150 in taxes.

No exemption or deductions. No exceptions. That is truly having everyone pay their fair share.

Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso: "The government will not always spend more than it takes in. "


What is that claim based on? Certainly not human history.

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Our spending was even with our intake, all time, in 2001. Hilarious that the time since is "human history."

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Nope. Accounting tricks, as I have already said.

There has not been a federal budget in over a century that would pass GAAP standards.

Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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There's a difference between deficit and debt.

Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

---

If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

---

Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

---

Pre Bush cuts.

---

If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

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You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

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When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

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No, YOU be better.

Lead with your own wallet and stop worrying what other people do or what they pay.

You got a serious case of envy working and it will never improve your own life in the slightest.

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Your logic is that anyone who is ok with a progressive tax system is envious. That's almost unbelievably dumb, but you're a Republican, right?

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My conclusion is drawn from the volume of comments you insist on troweling out.

Constantly wanting others to pay more while you steadfastly refuse to state what you do for a living or if you even draw a paycheck .

Full on hypocrite .

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Doc Holliday said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

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That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

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Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

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You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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If we were paying 10% or 90%, the government will ALWAYS spend more than it takes in by a certain percentage. It will be red into the trillions.

The idea that higher taxes translates to better budgeting is bull*****

So why not let the people keep more of their own money? Why would it be better in the hands of the people about to run out of social security funding in a decade?

I could take half of my social security taxes, invest them and have tenfold what the feds will give me.

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You have your head in the clouds. The government will not always spend more than it takes in. If the past 4 administrations are anything to go by, it is Democrats that will get the deficit under control.

It does matter. This premise of "the government is going to raise the deficit infinitely, so let's all vote to ban taxes" is not rooted in reality. I won't argue with a fairytale premise, and that's exactly what your argument is. I'm not a fairy.

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There's no evidence of modern US government (post 2001) taking in more than it spends.

Do you know how much we go over budget?

We're $30T in the red my guy.

I'm not saying to ban all taxes. What I'm saying is to get our ****ing **** in order before asking for more money!

Is your stance to raise taxes and do nothing to curb spending? How are you going to do that if we play world police and allow omnibus bills to pass?

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I have only mentioned taxes, but yes spending is the other side of the coin. We all could think of areas to cut spending. I think we should first take a look at the budget in 2001, and determine how we justify any increase on spending.

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Porteroso: "The government will not always spend more than it takes in. "


What is that claim based on? Certainly not human history.

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Our spending was even with our intake, all time, in 2001. Hilarious that the time since is "human history."

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Nope. Accounting tricks, as I have already said.

There has not been a federal budget in over a century that would pass GAAP standards.

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1998-2001 were all surplus years according to the Office of Budget and Management. You must have your own evidence and know better, so either back it up or just stop.

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Porteroso: "The government will not always spend more than it takes in. "


What is that claim based on? Certainly not human history.

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Our spending was even with our intake, all time, in 2001. Hilarious that the time since is "human history."

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Nope. Accounting tricks, as I have already said.

There has not been a federal budget in over a century that would pass GAAP standards.

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1998-2001 were all surplus years according to the Office of Budget and Management. You must have your own evidence and know better, so either back it up or just stop.

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Come on, Porteroso, you know as well as I that the OMB is a political office, no matter what we are told.

GAAP and the OMB are very different, and I don't mean just the initials.

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

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That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

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Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

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I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

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You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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I follow.
Do what I say, not what I do

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

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That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

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Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?

Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.

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Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.

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There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.

That's not conspiracy or far fetched.

Think about that.

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The politicians are giving us what we want: small government rhetoric and big government spending. Change that formula, and you're out of office. Whose fault is that?

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the right answer to balancing a budget is spend less and tax more but you cannot get elected on that platform.

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It's actually just spend less.

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Give us your list of budget cuts

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Thee University said:

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Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.

Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?

Both parties are run by drunken sailors.

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If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,

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Actually what do you consider historical norms ?

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Pre Bush cuts.

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If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .

---

That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.

---

Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.

You just want other people to pay more....much more.

Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .

---

I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.

And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.

That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.

There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.

---

You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......

A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.


More than a little hypocritical .

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Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).

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Nice 2-step

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I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?

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Clear enough .

You are a hypocrite .

Demanding others pay more while you don't .

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When did I say that? If I ever make as much money as I'd like, I'm advocating for higher taxes on myself. Why is it so hard to understand. Calling me a hypocrite is a stupid cop out. Be better.

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No, YOU be better.

Lead with your own wallet and stop worrying what other people do or what they pay.

You got a serious case of envy working and it will never improve your own life in the slightest.

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Your logic is that anyone who is ok with a progressive tax system is envious. That's almost unbelievably dumb, but you're a Republican, right?

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You gonna get us a flat tax? Way too many lawyers and accountants in this country. The government would have to downsize the IRS. Good luck with that. I am pulling for you.

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Flat tax is unfair. It assumes that everyone profits the same under the current economic system. In reality, it's really easy to make money once you have money. With none, you have nothing but your own hard work to make anything.

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Over 50% of citizens pay $0
That isn't fair

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Leaving this here.

JUST IN - US federal government is secretly ordering Google and other search engines to track and provide data on anyone who searches certain terms through "keyword warrants" (NY Post)

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) October 6, 2021

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Twitter is typically about as left leaning as you can get. It's usually a bunch of people arguing vehemently with each other over nothing. This might be the most unified response I've ever seen. Not a whole lot of positive in those responses.