Have no fear, President Biden and his team have this well in hand.

Russia planning massive military offensive against Ukraine involving 175,000 troops, U.S. intelligence warns

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

CammoTX said:

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Have no fear, President Biden and his team have this well in hand.

Russia planning massive military offensive against Ukraine involving 175,000 troops, U.S. intelligence warns

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

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What is Joe and his fierce military advisors gonna do? S h i t their pants and call in the T r a n n y A-team? LOL!!!

We have a duty to protect the Ukraine. Hopefully we do. It was worth promising, in order to avoid another nuclear power.

No doubt Putin is exceptionally impressed with our military and commander in chief.

Might cause him to hold off his attack for almost 20 minutes.

Which side is the Biden administration supporting?

This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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These are the things that will strengthen NATO

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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This will demonstrate such and after the Afghanistan debacle will show that NATO is a useless, unreliable political organization.

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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No.

Would not risk a single US serviceman for any country in Europe.

World War 2 has been over for almost 75 years.

It is ridiculous that the United States is STILL paying for European defense . Especially when they rarely if ever pay their own needed defense budgets .

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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No.

Would not risk a single US serviceman for any country in Europe.

World War 2 has been over for almost 75 years.

It is ridiculous that the United States is STILL paying for European defense . Especially when they rarely if ever pay their own needed defense budgets .

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

Russian ground forces can't sustain a prolonged engagement either in terms of men or materiel. Anything lost on the battlefield will be very difficult to replace. If we pledged air support to the Ukrainians, Putin would back down, IMO. Putin is corrupt but not a fool. He knows a major military engagement with the US would leave him a third-world economy with a third-world military.

Our F-15 Strike Eagle and Warthog squadrons would decimate the Russian armored divisions and their close air support.

Convince Joe that Putin is really his old nemesis Corn Pop and I'm sure he will get tough.

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Russian ground forces can't sustain a prolonged engagement either in terms of men or materiel. Anything lost on the battlefield will be very difficult to replace. If we pledged air support to the Ukrainians, Putin would back down, IMO. Putin is corrupt but not a fool. He knows a major military engagement with the US would leave him a third-world economy with a third-world military.

Our F-15 Strike Eagle and Warthog squadrons would decimate the Russian armored divisions and their close air support.

Convince Joe that Putin is really his old nemesis Corn Pop and I'm sure he will get tough.

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Harry Legs!

Or is it Hairy Legs?

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

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I think you need to consider possibilities. Obama drew a red line in Syria and did nothing. WW1 started when a cascading series of treaty obligations ended up killing millions.

Adults consider down side possibilities. Would you go nuclear on Russia for Ukraine?

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

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I think you need to consider possibilities. Obama drew a red line in Syria and did nothing. WW1 started when a cascading series of treaty obligations ended up killing millions.

Adults consider down side possibilities. Would you go nuclear on Russia for Ukraine?

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No one is going to nuclear for Ukraine. Russia sure isn't. So, no, the odds are pretty remote that either belligerent party goes nuclear over a conflict in the Ukraine. I hope you realize that.

The better question is whether the American public should support defending Ukraine given our current military and civilian leadership. They screwed up a withdrawal. I have no confidence in their ability to win an armed conflict or to competently lend support to our allies.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

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I think you need to consider possibilities. Obama drew a red line in Syria and did nothing. WW1 started when a cascading series of treaty obligations ended up killing millions.

Adults consider down side possibilities. Would you go nuclear on Russia for Ukraine?

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No one is going to nuclear for Ukraine. Russia sure isn't. So, no, the odds are pretty remote that either belligerent party goes nuclear over a conflict in the Ukraine. I hope you realize that.

The better question is whether the American public should support defending Ukraine given our current military and civilian leadership. They screwed up a withdrawal. I have no confidence in their ability to win an armed conflict or to competently lend support to our allies.

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Exactly, and I'm asking you how far you would go to support Ukraine
How far would you go to support them?
Troops on the ground?
Ammo? Non-nuclear rockets? Cyber attacks? Strong condemnation?

You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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Osodecentx said:

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

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I think you need to consider possibilities. Obama drew a red line in Syria and did nothing. WW1 started when a cascading series of treaty obligations ended up killing millions.

Adults consider down side possibilities. Would you go nuclear on Russia for Ukraine?

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No one is going to nuclear for Ukraine. Russia sure isn't. So, no, the odds are pretty remote that either belligerent party goes nuclear over a conflict in the Ukraine. I hope you realize that.

The better question is whether the American public should support defending Ukraine given our current military and civilian leadership. They screwed up a withdrawal. I have no confidence in their ability to win an armed conflict or to competently lend support to our allies.

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Exactly, and I'm asking you how far you would go to support Ukraine
How far would you go to support them?
Troops on the ground?
Ammo? Non-nuclear rockets? Cyber attacks? Strong condemnation?

You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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I would ship you to Moscow in exchange for 2 third-round picks in next year's NHL draft. And then I would ask over and over again, "do you want to nuke Russia?"

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Osodecentx said:

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

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I think you need to consider possibilities. Obama drew a red line in Syria and did nothing. WW1 started when a cascading series of treaty obligations ended up killing millions.

Adults consider down side possibilities. Would you go nuclear on Russia for Ukraine?

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No one is going to nuclear for Ukraine. Russia sure isn't. So, no, the odds are pretty remote that either belligerent party goes nuclear over a conflict in the Ukraine. I hope you realize that.

The better question is whether the American public should support defending Ukraine given our current military and civilian leadership. They screwed up a withdrawal. I have no confidence in their ability to win an armed conflict or to competently lend support to our allies.

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Exactly, and I'm asking you how far you would go to support Ukraine
How far would you go to support them?
Troops on the ground?
Ammo? Non-nuclear rockets? Cyber attacks? Strong condemnation?

You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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I would ship you to Moscow in exchange for 2 third-round picks in next year's NHL draft. And then I would ask over and over again, "do you want to nuke Russia?"

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You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Osodecentx said:

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

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I think you need to consider possibilities. Obama drew a red line in Syria and did nothing. WW1 started when a cascading series of treaty obligations ended up killing millions.

Adults consider down side possibilities. Would you go nuclear on Russia for Ukraine?

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No one is going to nuclear for Ukraine. Russia sure isn't. So, no, the odds are pretty remote that either belligerent party goes nuclear over a conflict in the Ukraine. I hope you realize that.

The better question is whether the American public should support defending Ukraine given our current military and civilian leadership. They screwed up a withdrawal. I have no confidence in their ability to win an armed conflict or to competently lend support to our allies.

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Exactly, and I'm asking you how far you would go to support Ukraine
How far would you go to support them?
Troops on the ground?
Ammo? Non-nuclear rockets? Cyber attacks? Strong condemnation?

You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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I would ship you to Moscow in exchange for 2 third-round picks in next year's NHL draft. And then I would ask over and over again, "do you want to nuke Russia?"

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You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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Do you want to nuke Russia?

I would send Ukraine hardware (lots of anti-tank weapons) and would consider air support. Oh, my gosh, you just triggered WWIII and nuclear Armageddon. Now, resume your pearl clutching.

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Putin is corrupt but not a fool.

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True, but dementia Joe is also corrupt, and he IS a fool.

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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We have made a commitment although I expect that means less with Biden in charge.

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Would you go nuclear?

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???????? The extreme and unlikely example. Grow up.

Would Russia go nuclear?

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I think you need to consider possibilities. Obama drew a red line in Syria and did nothing. WW1 started when a cascading series of treaty obligations ended up killing millions.

Adults consider down side possibilities. Would you go nuclear on Russia for Ukraine?

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No one is going to nuclear for Ukraine. Russia sure isn't. So, no, the odds are pretty remote that either belligerent party goes nuclear over a conflict in the Ukraine. I hope you realize that.

The better question is whether the American public should support defending Ukraine given our current military and civilian leadership. They screwed up a withdrawal. I have no confidence in their ability to win an armed conflict or to competently lend support to our allies.

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Exactly, and I'm asking you how far you would go to support Ukraine
How far would you go to support them?
Troops on the ground?
Ammo? Non-nuclear rockets? Cyber attacks? Strong condemnation?

You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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I would ship you to Moscow in exchange for 2 third-round picks in next year's NHL draft. And then I would ask over and over again, "do you want to nuke Russia?"

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You aren't telling us how far you would go to defend Ukraine.

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Do you want to nuke Russia?

I would send Ukraine hardware (lots of anti-tank weapons) and would consider air support. Oh, my gosh, you just triggered WWIII and nuclear Armageddon. Now, resume your pearl clutching.

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I wouldn't launch nuclear weapons for Ukraine. I would send Ukraine hardware (lots of anti-tank weapons).

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO, so we don't have treaty obligations to defend Ukraine.

Would you go nuclear to defend Ukraine?

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No.

Would not risk a single US serviceman for any country in Europe.

World War 2 has been over for almost 75 years.

It is ridiculous that the United States is STILL paying for European defense . Especially when they rarely if ever pay their own needed defense budgets .

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In a way, since the end of WWII, Europe has been kind of like a young 20 something adult that moves back in with their parents because through some unforeseen catastrophe they're unable to support themselves and need time to get themselves re-established so they can move on and ultimately function again like a normal adult. Except now they're in their mid 40's and nothing has changed - they're still dependent on their parents.

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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This will demonstrate such and after the Afghanistan debacle will show that NATO is a useless, unreliable political organization.

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Just like the WHO and COVID, NATO and it's affairs are 100% political/financial.

Doc Holliday said:

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This will destroy NATO and likely the current world order.

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NATO has been a useless shell of a military alliance for at least 25 years.

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This will demonstrate such and after the Afghanistan debacle will show that NATO is a useless, unreliable political organization.

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Just like the WHO and COVID, NATO and it's affairs are 100% political/financial.

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Tell that to the Ukrainians .

2010 election map lines up almost exactly with the populations ethnic identity (Ukrainians vs Russians)

Left bank Ukraine is populated by ethnic Russians who don't want to be ruled by Kiev/Kyiv.

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2010 election map lines up almost exactly with the populations ethnic identity (Russian vs Ukrainian)

Left bank Ukraine is populated by ethnic Russians who won't want to be ruled by Kiev/Kyiv.

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Looks like a strong case for assimilation and against illegal or large scale legal immigration. BTW, I just do not see how any man could vote against Yulia Tymoshenko.

Kremlin photo release of Putin-Biden meeting: pic.twitter.com/LsUL0Zyozg

— Nick Schifrin (@nickschifrin) December 7, 2021

CammoTX said:

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Have no fear, President Biden and his team have this well in hand.

Russia planning massive military offensive against Ukraine involving 175,000 troops, U.S. intelligence warns

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

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Cue Humck to say that this is nothing more than more Trump & Russian collusion. In 3-2-1....

Putin might be able to get his way if he promises to buy an original Hunter Biden painting

Lets also not forget the savage war the U.S. Federal government waged in 1861 under Lincoln to keep New Orleans and the mouth of the Mississippi river in the Federal Union.

The Crimea and its warm water port is as important to the Russian Federation & Putin as New Orleans is/was to the U.S. Federal Government.

I fear we're soon all going to wish we had adults in the White House.