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Sources: Big 12 to return in excess of $10 million to Baylor immediately

February 5, 2022
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The Big 12 will return in excess of $10 million to Baylor University's athletic department, a sum of money withheld by the league beginning in early 2017, SicEm365’s David Smoak and Ashley Hodge have learned from multiple sources.  

The net amount Baylor will receive from the league was a little over $14 million less legal fees and a fine levied by the league. 

In February of 2017, as voted on by the league’s board of directors, the league unanimously agreed to withhold 25 percent of Baylor’s revenue distribution until the university showed proper advancements in the aftermath of its well documented sexual assault scandal.

In October of 2018, after a verification of implementation of 105 recommendations from Pepper Hamilton, the law firm that conducted a nine-month investigation into the school and its processes, the league fully reinstated the University’s revenue distribution. 

Baylor then immediately returned to “full participation in future conference revenue distributions.” The school was fined $2 million by the league.

“The Verification Team is of the opinion that Baylor has in all material respects structurally completed and practically implemented the (105 Pepper Hamilton) Recommendations as of the date hereof. Whether the recommendations that require future action or are aspirational in nature will continue to be implemented in a sustainable manner will only be verifiable over time,” the league’s “Verification Report” said.

The 25 percent withheld amounted to $14,255,000. Legal costs associated were reimbursed and the remaining was invested for the following four years with net earnings distributed to all active Big 12 schools to support a variety of causes.

February of 2022 marks five years from the initial withholding of revenue. 

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Sources: Big 12 to return in excess of $10 million to Baylor immediately

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11:54a, 2/5/22
Did the $14M+ just sit there without collecting interest?
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12:08p, 2/5/22
The Big 12 schools withholding $ from Baylor for doing the same alleged sexual assaults, only more, and knowing it, always was the height of hypocrisy. They wanted to neuter Baylor's ability to compete in football forever.
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12:26p, 2/5/22
So now that part of Baylor's money has been returned can Baylor please honor Art Briles for the success he had at Baylor along with the championship teams he lead. There's room for a statue next to Grant Teaff's. The whole saga was all fake news designed to damage Baylor. Coach Briles & those Baylor players deserve their day on campus.
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I know for a fact other huge state Universities have had much worse happen and the media turns away. I have inside information but will not tell because the student athletes get hurt. I am staying above board. I think the media came after Baylor and was one sided because of the Baylor Christian culture. And even though the University is Christian in statement we are only as good as each of our students faculty and administration,. I maintain Briles was only guilty of negligence as he was depending on others to handle these situations that came to him. Baylor and Waco Police were covering up for the players because they wanted to help Baylor keep winning. That was wrong. Our compliance department was not adequately trained. Our then athletic director wasn't engaged properly. But Mr. Art Briles is not a cheater or is he an evil person at all. What a tragedy the way our society has public trials in the media and finds people guilty. The whole thing was terrible. If you want some Baylor scandal I could tell ya first hand cheating that happened when I attended Baylor that was much worse than the Briles scandal. But I will say that there was real damage to the innocent women victimized by a few thugs that thought they were above the law. It was evil. But remember Briles and staff did not personally harm any person. There were articles written on this with facts that the national media never reported. Like other coaches lying to Briles about the players transferring. Witnesses over heard their coaches telling Briles the player had not been in any trouble and was in good standing when in fact that proved to be a lie. Even a father of one of the players said he heard the coach lie for his son to get him admitted to Baylor.

All the haters need to look Art Briles right in the eye and tell him he intentionally protected players who had raped a woman. It did not happen. Briles is a good man. I stand by that. If I am wrong I would rather error on the side of mercy and grace than judge him evil not having all the facts. NOTICE that he is not in jail. He was crucified in the eyes of the public by entertainers who are trying to get market share and make themselves famous by writing or getting on TV and running their judgmental mouths. I hope they can sleep .. RANT OVER.
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12:57p, 2/5/22
We'll said. Hey O-U-T, enjoy years of misery for your roll in bringing down Baylor. Oh wait, 2 b12 champ games in last 3 years plus NY6 bowl win, didn't quite bring us down. Karmas a ***** blue bloods. Suck it!!!!!
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In reply to James Weaver • 1:15p, 2/5/22
Well said James!!
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1:36p, 2/5/22
Now they NEED Baylor because their "DREAM TEAMS" have thrown the "medium 12" to the curb for the SEC. So, we'll pay you back the $14m we stole from your program. Seems like every school in the 12 should have to prove they were also abiding by the Pepper Hamilton rules…and in the process also set aside a percentage to keep them honest. The NCAA has a broader problem but rarely makes an example of large marquis programs.
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In reply to Space Cutter • 1:54p, 2/5/22
Space Cutter said:
So now that part of Baylor's money has been returned can Baylor please honor Art Briles for the success he had at Baylor along with the championship teams he lead. There's room for a statue next to Grant Teaff's. The whole saga was all fake news designed to damage Baylor. Coach Briles & those Baylor players deserve their day on campus.


The Big 12 Championship signs are still there. That's good enough.

There was no good reason for the Big 12 to keep the money after we basically cleared out the whole program and school due to the scandal and were cleared by the NCAA. Good on Dr. Livingstone and Rhoades for getting this glaring and unnecessary penalty taken care of. Sic 'Em.
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2:34p, 2/5/22
Are we talking about the well-documented campus wide sexual assault scandal?
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In reply to ABC BEAR • 4:02p, 2/5/22
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Did the $14M+ just sit there without collecting interest?
It is in the article, and is some bull***** Why do other B12 schools profit from the interest on our money?

"the remaining was invested for the following four years with net earnings distributed to all active Big 12 schools to support a variety of causes."

Also, this was done by a simple majority vote of the B12 schools excluding BU. Why have we not impounded OU and UT's money the same way? They literally tried to implode the conference.
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4:07p, 2/5/22
Exactly. Why are other B12 members receiving benefits from the money owed to Baylor. And why are there even LEGAL FEES....Seriously. Someone have access to the full settlement file? Love to see what other ridiculous charges were spent.

For once - I'd like to see someone stand up and tell them they can **** themselves. Bunch of board *******.
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7:02p, 2/5/22
The Entity who should stand up for Baylor to the Big 12 would be our own Pansy, Weak, BOR. They are pathetic. Don't hold your breath waiting for Jeffrey et al to do anything to defend Baylor like other University Regents do.
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8:08p, 2/5/22
Cool.

Ok….can we do KU next. Please see numerous bball violations including sexual assault and in football Pooka Williams….also AD Jeff Long bringing in sexual assaulter Les Miles most likely with knowledge of LSU conduct.






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In reply to James Weaver • 6:34a, 2/6/22
Your point is well taken. Thanks for your comment.
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In reply to James Weaver • 8:46a, 2/6/22
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I know for a fact other huge state Universities have had much worse happen and the media turns away. I have inside information but will not tell because the student athletes get hurt. I am staying above board. I think the media came after Baylor and was one sided because of the Baylor Christian culture. And even though the University is Christian in statement we are only as good as each of our students faculty and administration,. I maintain Briles was only guilty of negligence as he was depending on others to handle these situations that came to him. Baylor and Waco Police were covering up for the players because they wanted to help Baylor keep winning. That was wrong. Our compliance department was not adequately trained. Our then athletic director wasn't engaged properly. But Mr. Art Briles is not a cheater or is he an evil person at all. What a tragedy the way our society has public trials in the media and finds people guilty. The whole thing was terrible. If you want some Baylor scandal I could tell ya first hand cheating that happened when I attended Baylor that was much worse than the Briles scandal. But I will say that there was real damage to the innocent women victimized by a few thugs that thought they were above the law. It was evil. But remember Briles and staff did not personally harm any person. There were articles written on this with facts that the national media never reported. Like other coaches lying to Briles about the players transferring. Witnesses over heard their coaches telling Briles the player had not been in any trouble and was in good standing when in fact that proved to be a lie. Even a father of one of the players said he heard the coach lie for his son to get him admitted to Baylor.

All the haters need to look Art Briles right in the eye and tell him he intentionally protected players who had raped a woman. It did not happen. Briles is a good man. I stand by that. If I am wrong I would rather error on the side of mercy and grace than judge him evil not having all the facts. NOTICE that he is not in jail. He was crucified in the eyes of the public by entertainers who are trying to get market share and make themselves famous by writing or getting on TV and running their judgmental mouths. I hope they can sleep .. RANT OVER.

I agree. CAB made some mistakes and recruited a few guys that he shouldn't have, but somebody please show me any successful D1 head coach who hasn't made similar mistakes and in many cases worse mistakes. What issues were there were the type things that could've been easily corrected and cleaned up while leaving him in place. The entire demonization and public crucifixion of him by the media that our own BOI shamefully participated in was outrageous and uncalled for.
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Absolutely, Johnny, well said.
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I sorta saw this one coming. It proves two things in my mind:

1) the persons that orchestrated the penalty had a political agenda, not a motive of justice or rule enforcement, that destroys the entire justification of the league. This is the textbook definition of an unelected bureaucrat wielding corrupt power. This league was not created to serve the interests of politicians, but fans, players universities, bottom line the Big 12 needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. It does not, as of today, have the support of the people that pay it's bills. It's merely controlled by a cadre of special interests with no oversight.

2) the basis of this fine has been discredited, and the league sees the issue as a political hot potato. Unlike the original announcement, where someone had their name on it, this one is anonymous. That's politics kids, and none of these leaders want their names on this anymore. That's weak.

Remember, if we're talking about embarrassing acts, I'd say Oklahomas president having sex with his interns is pretty damned embarrassing. That he led the leagues effort to create this fine is hilarious in its irony.
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In reply to Space Cutter • 11:47a, 2/7/22
Space Cutter said:
So now that part of Baylor's money has been returned can Baylor please honor Art Briles for the success he had at Baylor along with the championship teams he lead. There's room for a statue next to Grant Teaff's. The whole saga was all fake news designed to damage Baylor. Coach Briles & those Baylor players deserve their day on campus.
imagine a world where Baylor has one of the best (if not the best) coach in college football at their school. He did something no other Baylor football coach in the history of the program did this past year, won 12 games and 6 of those wins were against top 20 teams (in Art's best season he beat 3 for the record). Now imagine that there are a group of Baylor fans who are still living in the past despite having such a great coach who does things right on and off the field?

Naw, I don't want to imagine a group of alumni or fans that short-sighted and ignorant. Didn't Art used to say the past is last? LOL, no statues for Briles, Mulkey or any of your other idols. Maybe Drew and Aranda after decades of excellence and lack of scandal as long as they decide to end their careers at Baylor. But in general, statues for humans are bad ideas and just weird.
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In reply to Fozzie • 12:23p, 2/7/22
Fozzie said:
Space Cutter said:
So now that part of Baylor's money has been returned can Baylor please honor Art Briles for the success he had at Baylor along with the championship teams he lead. There's room for a statue next to Grant Teaff's. The whole saga was all fake news designed to damage Baylor. Coach Briles & those Baylor players deserve their day on campus.
imagine a world where Baylor has one of the best (if not the best) coach in college football at their school. He did something no other Baylor football coach in the history of the program did this past year, won 12 games and 6 of those wins were against top 20 teams (in Art's best season he beat 3 for the record). Now imagine that there are a group of Baylor fans who are still living in the past despite having such a great coach who does things right on and off the field?

Naw, I don't want to imagine a group of alumni or fans that short-sighted and ignorant. Didn't Art used to say the past is last? LOL, no statues for Briles, Mulkey or any of your other idols. Maybe Drew and Aranda after decades of excellence and lack of scandal as long as they decide to end their careers at Baylor. But in general, statues for humans are bad ideas and just weird.

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In reply to Fozzie • 12:39p, 2/7/22
Fozzie said:
Space Cutter said:
So now that part of Baylor's money has been returned can Baylor please honor Art Briles for the success he had at Baylor along with the championship teams he lead. There's room for a statue next to Grant Teaff's. The whole saga was all fake news designed to damage Baylor. Coach Briles & those Baylor players deserve their day on campus.
imagine a world where Baylor has one of the best (if not the best) coach in college football at their school. He did something no other Baylor football coach in the history of the program did this past year, won 12 games and 6 of those wins were against top 20 teams (in Art's best season he beat 3 for the record). Now imagine that there are a group of Baylor fans who are still living in the past despite having such a great coach who does things right on and off the field?

Naw, I don't want to imagine a group of alumni or fans that short-sighted and ignorant. Didn't Art used to say the past is last? LOL, no statues for Briles, Mulkey or any of your other idols. Maybe Drew and Aranda after decades of excellence and lack of scandal as long as they decide to end their careers at Baylor. But in general, statues for humans are bad ideas and just weird.


Not enough blue stars for this one. Spot on.
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Put the $$$ in the NIL account. Ask aggy for instructions.
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In reply to James Weaver • 4:36p, 2/7/22
James Weaver said:
I know for a fact other huge state Universities have had much worse happen and the media turns away. I have inside information but will not tell because the student athletes get hurt. I am staying above board. I think the media came after Baylor and was one sided because of the Baylor Christian culture. And even though the University is Christian in statement we are only as good as each of our students faculty and administration,. I maintain Briles was only guilty of negligence as he was depending on others to handle these situations that came to him. Baylor and Waco Police were covering up for the players because they wanted to help Baylor keep winning. That was wrong. Our compliance department was not adequately trained. Our then athletic director wasn't engaged properly. But Mr. Art Briles is not a cheater or is he an evil person at all. What a tragedy the way our society has public trials in the media and finds people guilty. The whole thing was terrible. If you want some Baylor scandal I could tell ya first hand cheating that happened when I attended Baylor that was much worse than the Briles scandal. But I will say that there was real damage to the innocent women victimized by a few thugs that thought they were above the law. It was evil. But remember Briles and staff did not personally harm any person. There were articles written on this with facts that the national media never reported. Like other coaches lying to Briles about the players transferring. Witnesses over heard their coaches telling Briles the player had not been in any trouble and was in good standing when in fact that proved to be a lie. Even a father of one of the players said he heard the coach lie for his son to get him admitted to Baylor.

All the haters need to look Art Briles right in the eye and tell him he intentionally protected players who had raped a woman. It did not happen. Briles is a good man. I stand by that. If I am wrong I would rather error on the side of mercy and grace than judge him evil not having all the facts. NOTICE that he is not in jail. He was crucified in the eyes of the public by entertainers who are trying to get market share and make themselves famous by writing or getting on TV and running their judgmental mouths. I hope they can sleep .. RANT OVER.
I don't know if Briles is a good man or not. He was at the very least terribly negligent and women suffered because of it.

That's what the NCAA found.

Sins of omission are sins nonetheless.

As for all the griping about the BOR not standing up for Briles, they shouldn't have. Had they looked the other way, our stadium would be hosting only high school football games and tractor pulls because we would have received the death penalty.

And rightly so.

(And how did this become another "Art Briles Weeping on the Cross" thread?"
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4:52p, 2/7/22


There is but one solution:
Let's tear down every graven image of a human being. Cleanse our campus!

Statues of bears? YES.

Statutes of people? NO.

(With apologies to Judge R.E.B. Baylor, Rufus C. Burleson, and RG3. Sorry, guys.)


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In reply to Fozzie • 7:54a, 2/8/22
Fozzie said:
Space Cutter said:
So now that part of Baylor's money has been returned can Baylor please honor Art Briles for the success he had at Baylor along with the championship teams he lead. There's room for a statue next to Grant Teaff's. The whole saga was all fake news designed to damage Baylor. Coach Briles & those Baylor players deserve their day on campus.
imagine a world where Baylor has one of the best (if not the best) coach in college football at their school. He did something no other Baylor football coach in the history of the program did this past year, won 12 games and 6 of those wins were against top 20 teams (in Art's best season he beat 3 for the record). Now imagine that there are a group of Baylor fans who are still living in the past despite having such a great coach who does things right on and off the field?

Naw, I don't want to imagine a group of alumni or fans that short-sighted and ignorant. Didn't Art used to say the past is last? LOL, no statues for Briles, Mulkey or any of your other idols. Maybe Drew and Aranda after decades of excellence and lack of scandal as long as they decide to end their careers at Baylor. But in general, statues for humans are bad ideas and just weird.

Nobody is attacking or belittling Aranda for his accomplishments last season. The comments about what happened to CAB are about an injustice that happened to an outstanding coach that didn't deserve it. What Aranda did last season and whether or not he eventually eclipses CAB's career accomplishments at BU (and I hope he does) has nothing to do with it.

And if Mulkey doesn't deserve a statue, then nobody in the history of BU athletics deserves one - at least at this point in time.
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The Entity who should stand up for Baylor to the Big 12 would be our own Pansy, Weak, BOR. They are pathetic. Don't hold your breath waiting for Jeffrey et al to do anything to defend Baylor like other University Regents do.
I think you mean BOI.
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In reply to GoodOleBaylorLine • 8:32a, 2/8/22
GoodOleBaylorLine said:
ABC BEAR said:
Did the $14M+ just sit there without collecting interest?
It is in the article, and is some bull***** Why do other B12 schools profit from the interest on our money?

"the remaining was invested for the following four years with net earnings distributed to all active Big 12 schools to support a variety of causes."

Also, this was done by a simple majority vote of the B12 schools excluding BU. Why have we not impounded OU and UT's money the same way? They literally tried to implode the conference.
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Right, remember what Joe Mixom did to a young lady's face? And its on video. And OU didn't even stop him from playing all 4 years.
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Put the $$$ in the NIL account. Ask aggy for instructions.
If that use falls within the "scope and bounds" that is permissible, then I can't see any better use available. Admittedly, I'm not up on legalities involved, but it would surely help level the NIL playing field..
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James Weaver said:
I know for a fact other huge state Universities have had much worse happen and the media turns away. I have inside information but will not tell because the student athletes get hurt. I am staying above board. I think the media came after Baylor and was one sided because of the Baylor Christian culture. And even though the University is Christian in statement we are only as good as each of our students faculty and administration,. I maintain Briles was only guilty of negligence as he was depending on others to handle these situations that came to him. Baylor and Waco Police were covering up for the players because they wanted to help Baylor keep winning. That was wrong. Our compliance department was not adequately trained. Our then athletic director wasn't engaged properly. But Mr. Art Briles is not a cheater or is he an evil person at all. What a tragedy the way our society has public trials in the media and finds people guilty. The whole thing was terrible. If you want some Baylor scandal I could tell ya first hand cheating that happened when I attended Baylor that was much worse than the Briles scandal. But I will say that there was real damage to the innocent women victimized by a few thugs that thought they were above the law. It was evil. But remember Briles and staff did not personally harm any person. There were articles written on this with facts that the national media never reported. Like other coaches lying to Briles about the players transferring. Witnesses over heard their coaches telling Briles the player had not been in any trouble and was in good standing when in fact that proved to be a lie. Even a father of one of the players said he heard the coach lie for his son to get him admitted to Baylor.

All the haters need to look Art Briles right in the eye and tell him he intentionally protected players who had raped a woman. It did not happen. Briles is a good man. I stand by that. If I am wrong I would rather error on the side of mercy and grace than judge him evil not having all the facts. NOTICE that he is not in jail. He was crucified in the eyes of the public by entertainers who are trying to get market share and make themselves famous by writing or getting on TV and running their judgmental mouths. I hope they can sleep .. RANT OVER.
I don't know if Briles is a good man or not. He was at the very least terribly negligent and women suffered because of it.

That's what the NCAA found.

Sins of omission are sins nonetheless.

As for all the griping about the BOR not standing up for Briles, they shouldn't have. Had they looked the other way, our stadium would be hosting only high school football games and tractor pulls because we would have received the death penalty.

And rightly so.

(And how did this become another "Art Briles Weeping on the Cross" thread?"
We werent going to get the death penalty. The problem itself is that the BOR looked the other way the whole time until they were caught. That said Briles didnt even get a show cause finding or any other sanction from the NCAA.
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In reply to James Weaver • 10:37a, 2/8/22
While driving, if you are pulled over for speeding, you can point out that other cars passed you, but the bottom line is that you were caught. There are a lot of people who speed everyday and are not caught. The judge is not going to let you off the hook simply because others speed.

Baylor was caught. Some people say if you drive a red sports car you may be caught speeding more because you are more noticeable. Baylor was noticeable. Perhaps hiring Ken Starr did it. Maybe our success did it. Maybe it was our Baptist heritage. Maybe if you drive a red sports car you should be more aware of speeding.

I don't know that the media attacked us because they hate Christianity. It sounds to me that they like juicy stories.

I love Art Briles. I think it is way past time for him to have a head coaching job. It seems to me, that he was not the one driving the situation at Baylor. I think that job was Ken Starr.
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In reply to BAYLEU • 10:40a, 2/8/22
BAYLEU said:
While driving, if you are pulled over for speeding, you can point out that other cars passed you, but the bottom line is that you were caught. There are a lot of people who speed everyday and are not caught. The judge is not going to let you off the hook simply because others speed.

Baylor was caught. Some people say if you drive a red sports car you may be caught speeding more because you are more noticeable. Baylor was noticeable. Perhaps hiring Ken Starr did it. Maybe our success did it. Maybe it was our Baptist heritage. Maybe if you drive a red sports car you should be more aware of speeding.

I don't know that the media attacked us because they hate Christianity. It sounds to me that they like juicy stories.

I love Art Briles. I think it is way past time for him to have a head coaching job. It seems to me, that he was not the one driving the situation at Baylor. I think that job was Ken Starr.
This is a great post and excellent way of looking at it.
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In reply to PartyBear • 11:37a, 2/8/22
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I know for a fact other huge state Universities have had much worse happen and the media turns away. I have inside information but will not tell because the student athletes get hurt. I am staying above board. I think the media came after Baylor and was one sided because of the Baylor Christian culture. And even though the University is Christian in statement we are only as good as each of our students faculty and administration,. I maintain Briles was only guilty of negligence as he was depending on others to handle these situations that came to him. Baylor and Waco Police were covering up for the players because they wanted to help Baylor keep winning. That was wrong. Our compliance department was not adequately trained. Our then athletic director wasn't engaged properly. But Mr. Art Briles is not a cheater or is he an evil person at all. What a tragedy the way our society has public trials in the media and finds people guilty. The whole thing was terrible. If you want some Baylor scandal I could tell ya first hand cheating that happened when I attended Baylor that was much worse than the Briles scandal. But I will say that there was real damage to the innocent women victimized by a few thugs that thought they were above the law. It was evil. But remember Briles and staff did not personally harm any person. There were articles written on this with facts that the national media never reported. Like other coaches lying to Briles about the players transferring. Witnesses over heard their coaches telling Briles the player had not been in any trouble and was in good standing when in fact that proved to be a lie. Even a father of one of the players said he heard the coach lie for his son to get him admitted to Baylor.

All the haters need to look Art Briles right in the eye and tell him he intentionally protected players who had raped a woman. It did not happen. Briles is a good man. I stand by that. If I am wrong I would rather error on the side of mercy and grace than judge him evil not having all the facts. NOTICE that he is not in jail. He was crucified in the eyes of the public by entertainers who are trying to get market share and make themselves famous by writing or getting on TV and running their judgmental mouths. I hope they can sleep .. RANT OVER.
I don't know if Briles is a good man or not. He was at the very least terribly negligent and women suffered because of it.

That's what the NCAA found.

Sins of omission are sins nonetheless.

As for all the griping about the BOR not standing up for Briles, they shouldn't have. Had they looked the other way, our stadium would be hosting only high school football games and tractor pulls because we would have received the death penalty.

And rightly so.

(And how did this become another "Art Briles Weeping on the Cross" thread?"
We werent going to get the death penalty. The problem itself is that the BOR looked the other way the whole time until they were caught. That said Briles didnt even get a show cause finding or any other sanction from the NCAA.
It's not the BOR's job to instill and maintain discipline in the football program. That duty falls squarely on the coach, who is 100 percent responsible for his program's culture.

The BOR could/should certainly have done a better job of holding the coach accountable to our university's mission, but if your coach needs babysitting, you need a new coach.
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11:39a, 2/8/22
It is not a HC's job anywhere in the country to put together a Title IX process, not now or not 8 years ago.
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In reply to PartyBear • 11:50a, 2/8/22
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It is not a HC's job anywhere in the country to put together a Title IX process, not now or not 8 years ago.
Title IX failures were just the mine we eventually stepped on. If it wasn't that that got us, it was going to be one of the many others we laid unnecessarily in our path by running a rogue program devoid of any reasonable mechanisms for discipline or accountability.

Blame Starr and the BOR for our university's Title IX failures. That's fair. But Briles' downfall -- and that of his football program -- was 100 percent on him and 100 percent avoidable.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 12:04p, 2/8/22
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PartyBear said:
It is not a HC's job anywhere in the country to put together a Title IX process, not now or not 8 years ago.
Title IX failures were just the mine we eventually stepped on. If it wasn't that that got us, it was going to be one of the many others we laid unnecessarily in our path by running a rogue program devoid of any reasonable mechanisms for discipline or accountability.

Blame Starr and the BOR for our university's Title IX failures. That's fair. But Briles' downfall -- and that of his football program -- was 100 percent on him and 100 percent avoidable.
Reagan Ramsower had no role?
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In reply to 57Bear • 12:06p, 2/8/22
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bear2be2 said:
PartyBear said:
It is not a HC's job anywhere in the country to put together a Title IX process, not now or not 8 years ago.
Title IX failures were just the mine we eventually stepped on. If it wasn't that that got us, it was going to be one of the many others we laid unnecessarily in our path by running a rogue program devoid of any reasonable mechanisms for discipline or accountability.

Blame Starr and the BOR for our university's Title IX failures. That's fair. But Briles' downfall -- and that of his football program -- was 100 percent on him and 100 percent avoidable.
Reagan Ramsower had no role?
Throw him in there with the BOR and Starr for his failures. I've been extremely consistent in saying that Baylor had a leadership void at every level during that period. I just get tired of seeing folks here use others' failings as a way to absolve Briles of his.
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