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Gameday Thread: Baylor (0-4) at Kansas State (2-1)

September 29, 2017
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BAYLOR (0-4) at Kansas State (2-1)

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BEARS STILL SEARCHING FOR FIRST WIN OF 2017

Obvious improvement and competitive games have been the name of the game for the Bears last two weeks, but the Bears are hoping a game against Kansas State will be the breakthrough point for the season. During their last two trips to Manhattan, the Bears have escaped with a win, including a 31-24 victory in 2015 and a 35-25 victory in 2013.

The difference is, however, the Bears took the No. 15 and No. 6-ranked teams in the country to the Little Apple on each of those two occasions, including a 2013 team that won the Big 12 championship. This time around the Bears are 0-4 and considered one of the worst Power 5 programs in the country.

If the Bears are able to escape with a victory and avoid a blowout loss, or even a dreaded moral victory, it will only continue their upward trend they have seen over three-game streak that started with a 17-10 loss to UTSA in the second week of the season. The Bears have held a large amount of momentum in the second half of games against Duke and Oklahoma the last two weeks only to see it evaporate late.

Following a week off, Kansas State's outing in week three resulted in a 14-7 loss on the road against Vanderbilt where the Wildcats totaled 277 total yards, but only allowed a total of 270 yards to the Commodores.


SIDENOTE STORYLINE

Zach Smith looks to stay on track

For the first time in his career as a starting quarterback, Baylor sophomore Zach Smith went an entire game without an interception against No. 3 Oklahoma last Saturday. In turn, the Bears stuck around with the Sooners and were within a possession of tying the contest in the final minutes of the game.

In six career starts, Smith has averaged 330 yards passing per game and tossed 18 touchdown passes. It was the interceptions, 10 of them to be exact, the held Smith back through the first five games.

Facing a Kansas State team that will look to confuse Smith in coverage and then play keep-away on offense, it is crucial for the second-year quarterback to protect the football and play a game of keep away of his own.

In 2016, Smith received the first start of his career against the Wildcats. Then a true freshman, Smith completed 27-of-45 passes for 258 yards and three touchdowns to give the Bears a 14-7 at halftime, but three second-half interceptions were his undoing and the Bears dropped the contest 42-21.

Kansas State running back Alex Barnes rushed for 129 yards and scored four touchdowns on 19 carries to lead the Wildcats to 237 yards rushing and six rushing touchdowns in the victory.


MATT RHULE QUOTE OF THE WEEK

On balancing a loss to Oklahoma with some positive momentum...

“I mean that’s why I treat wins and losses the same. There’s truth behind all of it. There are some things we got better at, and there are some things we got a lot worse at. We’re not tackling on defense. If we tackle, we might’ve won the football game. I can tell you this, the coaches on defense and the players on defense are not walking out feeling like they went toe to toe on the field. Either guys are making a decision not to do their job, or we’re getting out-physicaled away from winning the football game. And the offensive line can’t be happy right now, rushing for 60 yards. And the backs can’t be either. I think the way we process is to everyday look at what you’re doing right, what you’re doing wrong, and try to get better at it. We have not played to our capabilities yet, and we won’t all year. We’ll continue to get better and better and better, but there’s something always out there we can get. I want them to feel good about that we played a little better on offense. We didn’t play a little better on defense. We played better against Duke than we did against Oklahoma. We just have to keep pushing ourselves forward, and when we win, I’ll still be the same way. I’ll say “we’re still not doing this right, but we’re doing this better,” and just trying to keep moving the team forward.”


PLAYERS TO WATCH

 
Jim Black

When Baylor lost one of its two most productive receivers in Chris Platt, Matt Rhule identified Pooh Stricklin as the receiver who would step into the role left behind by the Speedster. Stricklin caught six passes for 85 yards against Oklahoma last Saturday.

Jim Black
Taylor Young got to Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield twice last week, but facing a run-first, slow-paced KSU offense, Young will need to find his success as close to the line of scrimmage as possible to keep the Wildcats in long to-go distances.
Jim Black
Baylor has struggled with giving up big plays the last two weeks and the primary concern comes with the safeties not finishing the play given the chance. Taion Sells returned against Oklahoma and showed he still doesn't have an issue playing with contact. It will be key Saturday.
Jim Black
After receiving 11 carries against Oklahoma, Terence Williams should be ready to receive a larger workload against Kansas State, taking the No. 1 role ahead of John Lovett. If Williams can help Baylor control the clock, Baylor's chances to earn a victory improve greatly.

 

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Gameday Thread: Baylor (0-4) at Kansas State (2-1)

88,989 Views | 710 Replies | Last: 6 yr ago by Dia del DougO
303Bear
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Dia del DougO said:


It would take quite a turnaround, serious adjustments and some good luck, but this game is still winnable if Baylor can generate some offense. K States glacial pace keeps it within hope, at least.

A more explosive team would be up by 35 right now.
I would agree if we had made any adjustments worth noting at halftime at any point this year.
Doc Holliday
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I've figured it out!


The process hasn't started yet.
cowboycwr
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Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:

BearPa said:

He'll never make it 3 more years.
He's a proven winner in a CUSA type conference so we may keep him.


Name all the power five schools he beat.

Then name bowl teams.

Then just schools that are not horrible.

You barely get to 10 wins that way.

He won against crap teams. But can't beat crap teams here.


Briles had the same college resume before coming here.


Not really. He had a longer history as an assistant with wins. He hadn't wins over p5 schools. NFL QB. Etc.

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Dia del DougO said:

Losing Platt seems like kind of a big deal. Took the top off, they can double Mims all day. Need to slip out Sneed or somebody to burn them deep.
Yeah, we looked really good until we lost Platt.
Bear8084
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ToiletDucky said:

No he didn't. Not even close. Watch his O-coordinator days


Yes. He did. As a head coach. From the mighty CUSA. There were even worries on Baylorfans when he was hired and that he couldn't win against a ranked team. Briles was also never an offensive coordinator in college coaching.
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Dia del DougO said:


It would take quite a turnaround, serious adjustments and some good luck, but this game is still winnable if Baylor can generate some offense.
And my aunt could become my uncle if she would just grow some balls.
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cowboycwr said:

Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:

BearPa said:

He'll never make it 3 more years.
He's a proven winner in a CUSA type conference so we may keep him.


Name all the power five schools he beat.

Then name bowl teams.

Then just schools that are not horrible.

You barely get to 10 wins that way.

He won against crap teams. But can't beat crap teams here.


Briles had the same college resume before coming here.


Not really. He had a longer history as an assistant with wins. He hadn't wins over p5 schools. NFL QB. Etc.




So we're counting wins as an assisstant now? A lot of revisionist history going on. I'm just talking about head coaching which is what you seemed to be knocking Rhule for at Temple even though Briles had pretty much the same HC experience at UH in the CUSA before we hired him. There are obviously criticisms of Rhule now, his coaching record at Temple isn't one of them.
perrynative
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Revisionist history vs. revisionist present.
cowboycwr
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Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:

BearPa said:

He'll never make it 3 more years.
He's a proven winner in a CUSA type conference so we may keep him.


Name all the power five schools he beat.

Then name bowl teams.

Then just schools that are not horrible.

You barely get to 10 wins that way.

He won against crap teams. But can't beat crap teams here.


Briles had the same college resume before coming here.


Not really. He had a longer history as an assistant with wins. He hadn't wins over p5 schools. NFL QB. Etc.




So we're counting wins as an assisstant now? A lot of revisionist history going on.


No revisionist here. Just pointing out he had a record of winning. HS to college assistant to UH to here.
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The "we will win" sign has a whole new meaning.

Winning seems impossible now, against anyone.
cowboycwr
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Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:

BearPa said:

He'll never make it 3 more years.
He's a proven winner in a CUSA type conference so we may keep him.


Name all the power five schools he beat.

Then name bowl teams.

Then just schools that are not horrible.

You barely get to 10 wins that way.

He won against crap teams. But can't beat crap teams here.


Briles had the same college resume before coming here.


Not really. He had a longer history as an assistant with wins. He hadn't wins over p5 schools. NFL QB. Etc.




So we're counting wins as an assisstant now? A lot of revisionist history going on. I'm just talking about head coaching which is what you seemed to be knocking Rhule for at Temple even though Briles had pretty much the same HC experience at UH in the CUSA before we hired him. There are obviously criticisms of Rhule now, his coaching record at Temple isn't one of them.


Yes it is!! Look at the tems he beat. Nobodies. He had no real good wins.
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Observations on 1st half:
1. Horrible hire by AD of Rhule. He is awful & out of his element in Big 12.
2. AD screwed the pooch on this hire. $$$ thrown away.
3. This team is not ready to play today-80 offensive yards.
4. Ultimate responsibility for this-the BOR. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DON'T KNOW.
THE ONLY THING THOSE FOOLS KNOW HOW TO DO IS KEEP RAISING THE TUITION COSTS.
5. When BU is relegated to a 2nd tier school, we can thank the BOR.
BillDauterive
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I've really tried to get on the Rhule bandwagon, but...

SIC EM 94
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Yes or no...Baylor gets to 20 points today?
Dia del DougO
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It's a shame because that first drive actually looked promising. Then it seemed like they ran out of ideas.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
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cowboycwr said:

Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:

BearPa said:

He'll never make it 3 more years.
He's a proven winner in a CUSA type conference so we may keep him.


Name all the power five schools he beat.

Then name bowl teams.

Then just schools that are not horrible.

You barely get to 10 wins that way.

He won against crap teams. But can't beat crap teams here.


Briles had the same college resume before coming here.


Not really. He had a longer history as an assistant with wins. He hadn't wins over p5 schools. NFL QB. Etc.




So we're counting wins as an assisstant now? A lot of revisionist history going on. I'm just talking about head coaching which is what you seemed to be knocking Rhule for at Temple even though Briles had pretty much the same HC experience at UH in the CUSA before we hired him. There are obviously criticisms of Rhule now, his coaching record at Temple isn't one of them.


Yes it is!! Look at the tems he beat. Nobodies. He had no real good wins.


No, it's not. Who'd Briles beat at UH that was so game changing?

And I wouldn't count a ranked Navy as a nobody last season.
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I'm about done with Rhule. It's obvious we don't have a running game yet where we can sustain long drives and guarantee a score. He basically stumbled his way into a blueprint for how to win in the big12 last week and decided to throw it out this week. Instead he decided to imitate Snyder (and is failing miserably at it) because he likes that brand of football.
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It's ok, according to Beth Mowins we are only down 20-17.

After the first two games, CMR decided to tank the season to buy himself more time. 2 wins next year and three the following year show improvement from 0-12.
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Smh....I have to go watch us get our asses handed to us in Stillwater. I'm glad I'm bringing my whiskey.
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Dia del DougO said:

It's a shame because that first drive actually looked promising. Then it seemed like they ran out of ideas.


We do seem to be forcing the run to the outside when we don't have to.
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KSU leads in total yards 229-80, and most of Baylor's was on the first drive, and aided by a drive-saving penalty.
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Dia del DougO said:

It's a shame because that first drive actually looked promising. Then it seemed like they ran out of ideas.
Well they can scratch jet sweep from the playbook. Passing down the field normally works though.
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CutTheTVoff said:

The "we will win" sign has a whole new meaning.

Winning seems impossible now, against anyone.
It will be back soon. They're updating to add "time of possession " to it.
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Every running play is so slow developing that my grandma could defend them.
Dia del DougO
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Chanceux said:

Dia del DougO said:

It's a shame because that first drive actually looked promising. Then it seemed like they ran out of ideas.
Well they can scratch jet sweep from the playbook. Passing down the field normally works though.
Seems like it's just crazy enough to try, anyway.
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Maybe do the ou drill at the half.
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Let's see what adjustments we make at half
Dia del DougO
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Pale Rider said:

Every running play is so slow developing that my grandma could defend them.
Even K States, but theirs works. That 38 yard run by Barnes took longer than any 38 yards in a relatively straight line that I've ever seen.
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What the **** is that on Rhules mouth?
DeepNtheHeartBU
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"Needed more physicality" ...classic Rhule. Not more offense, just be more physical
BillDauterive
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Is there any doubt Rhule is back on the offensive headset again today...


cowboycwr
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Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Bear8084 said:

cowboycwr said:

Jacques Strap said:

BearPa said:

He'll never make it 3 more years.
He's a proven winner in a CUSA type conference so we may keep him.


Name all the power five schools he beat.

Then name bowl teams.

Then just schools that are not horrible.

You barely get to 10 wins that way.

He won against crap teams. But can't beat crap teams here.


Briles had the same college resume before coming here.


Not really. He had a longer history as an assistant with wins. He hadn't wins over p5 schools. NFL QB. Etc.




So we're counting wins as an assisstant now? A lot of revisionist history going on. I'm just talking about head coaching which is what you seemed to be knocking Rhule for at Temple even though Briles had pretty much the same HC experience at UH in the CUSA before we hired him. There are obviously criticisms of Rhule now, his coaching record at Temple isn't one of them.


Yes it is!! Look at the tems he beat. Nobodies. He had no real good wins.


No, it's not. Who'd Briles beat at UH that was so game changing?

And I wouldn't count a ranked Navy as a nobody last season.



Wow. One team. One.

Awesome resume. Against a team that can't throw the ball.

A lot better than beating ok state. Or miss state (twice).


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Throw the ball downfield like that Rhule....It works.
Thankful Bear
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Finally. Using Zach to make some throws.
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Better put a fullback in to block before Zach gets killed
 
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