Baylor Women's Basketball

Postgame Presser: Nicki Collen and Players React to Big 12 Championship Loss No. 10 TCU

March 2, 2025
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The Baylor Women’s Basketball head coach was joined by Sarah Andrews and Aaronette Vonleh to react to Sunday's game.

When available, the TCU postgame presser will appear below.

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Postgame Presser: Nicki Collen and Players React to Big 12 Championship Loss No. 10 TCU

1,517 Views | 8 Replies | Last: 7 hrs ago by Bear3
MrGolfguy
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I'm not quite as dumb as I seem
blackie
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Why would you not want to play for this coach? All of these players have had opportunities to go elsewhere after last year, but they stay. Smith and Egbo could have gone to national championship contenders, but they stayed. What is the missing piece? Please no smartass remarks. This is a serious question.
IowaBear
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Elite talent.. not being a smartass but that's what's missing. This particular squad has some pretty darn good players. But no elite ones. Gonna need 1-2 of those to really take that next step
blackie
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IowaBear said:

Elite talent.. not being a smartass but that's what's missing. This particular squad has some pretty darn good players. But no elite ones. Gonna need 1-2 of those to really take that next step
I'll provide a more in depth comment later, but it was more a question of what is keeping us from getting elite talent, not what is keeping the team from being better. I think we all know that.
LTBear19
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blackie said:

IowaBear said:

Elite talent.. not being a smartass but that's what's missing. This particular squad has some pretty darn good players. But no elite ones. Gonna need 1-2 of those to really take that next step
I'll provide a more in depth comment later, but it was more a question of what is keeping us from getting elite talent, not what is keeping the team from being better. I think we all know that.


Elite Talent doesn't necessarily go where they MIGHT win - they go where they KNOW they will win.

That is why UCONN never had bare cupboards, and is also why we kept pulling in top recruits year after year during the Mulkey era.

We're in that "might win" phase at the moment.

And until we prove to everyone that we are a consistent threat to win conference titles and make runs at the Final 4, things will likely continue as such.
ctxbear
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LTBear19 said:

blackie said:

IowaBear said:

Elite talent.. not being a smartass but that's what's missing. This particular squad has some pretty darn good players. But no elite ones. Gonna need 1-2 of those to really take that next step
I'll provide a more in depth comment later, but it was more a question of what is keeping us from getting elite talent, not what is keeping the team from being better. I think we all know that.


Elite Talent doesn't necessarily go where they MIGHT win - they go where they KNOW they will win.

That is why UCONN never had bare cupboards, and is also why we kept pulling in top recruits year after year during the Mulkey era.

We're in that "might win" phase at the moment.

And until we prove to everyone that we are a consistent threat to win conference titles and make runs at the Final 4, things will likely continue as such.
I generally agree with this, but I can't imagine Prince, Van Lith and Conner (all elite talent) went to TCU because they KNEW they would win.
blackie
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LTBear19 said:

blackie said:

IowaBear said:

Elite talent.. not being a smartass but that's what's missing. This particular squad has some pretty darn good players. But no elite ones. Gonna need 1-2 of those to really take that next step
I'll provide a more in depth comment later, but it was more a question of what is keeping us from getting elite talent, not what is keeping the team from being better. I think we all know that.


Elite Talent doesn't necessarily go where they MIGHT win - they go where they KNOW they will win.

That is why UCONN never had bare cupboards, and is also why we kept pulling in top recruits year after year during the Mulkey era.

We're in that "might win" phase at the moment.

And until we prove to everyone that we are a consistent threat to win conference titles and make runs at the Final 4, things will likely continue as such.
Perhaps I used the wrong term. I probably should have said "near elite" or can be developed into elite.

I'm not sure we can ever get to your last step from where we are if you don't take a middle step first that I think you are leaving out. Oh, I guess it is possible if you get lucky with getting one generational player like Griner to come on board. That is what allowed KM to get over the hump. We were not pulling in elite players year after year before Griner. They were good but not so much elite. After we won the 2005 championship in the next four years we never got past the SS and in two of those years, we didn't even make the SS. Then we got Griner and a team was formed around her. Much like TCU got with Prince this year.

For lack of a better term, I'll call it the "you really look like you are going in the right direction and I want to be a part of it even though you aren't quite there yet". We are talking about what would be a freshman / sophomore version of YaYa, Jada, Buggs, etc. Players coming out of high school that may not be in the top 50 or even 100 lists of those considered elite, but are close. Close enough they can be developed into special players.

This staff has shown they can develop players but we don't seem to be getting enough of the ones in my description above to rely on that. We are forced to go to the portal and try to pick off some there each year. We are going to need a post for certain next year. We are going to need replacements for Andrews, YaYa and Walker. We have Jana coming back, but we don't have experienced freshmen or sophs ready to go and what has the injury done to her long-term. And then the next year we have to replace Buggs and Bella. Where are those to come from?

That is what of which I am referring as to what is missing concerning recruiting as to why we are not getting enough of these young types out of high school or JC at worst. By every account, the players keep choosing our coach because they stay. And for most here, the belief is that CNC knows and can coach the game and motivate the team to play hard. She puts them in a position to win, but thus far we just can't get the almost guaranteed consistent shooters (inside / outside and at the line) and height we need.

And once again this year we are going to have to rely on the portal to keep us at the level to which we are at now. Why does a KU, KSU, sometimes ISU or TCU and others get these types of HS recruits and we don't? Is it NIL? Is it Baylor (Kim didn't always get some to come to Baylor she wanted...HVL is an example)? What is the missing piece that would get us these "near elite" players so we can get to your "I know you will win" point.. None of the teams I mentioned above have a history of winning championships. I just want our coaches playing on a level playing field and I am not convinced that is happening.
Bear3
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NIL. Motta has said money plays major part in most recruit's decision whether they admit it or not. A number of top recruits come from families without a lot of money and several hundred thousand dollars can be life changing. Baylor cannot compete with Big 10 and SEC NIL. If you look at the top recruits most are going to SEC and Big 10 schools. Nicki gets many elite recruits to visit campus but can't close the deal because of NIL
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