lose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

Gold Tron said:

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lose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

Having your tongue removed might fix the problem.

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Gold Tron said:

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lose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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Klose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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You did make a blanket statement. That blanket statement is incorrect. As evidenced by your own reply.

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My idea of the vast majority is 1/1000. I think that qualifies for a blanket statement but please continue to lecture me. I would love to know your qualifications in managing sleep apnea.

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Gold Tron said:

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Klose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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You did make a blanket statement. That blanket statement is incorrect. As evidenced by your own reply.

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My idea of the vast majority is 1/1000. I think that qualifies for a blanket statement but please continue to lecture me. I would love to know your qualifications in managing sleep apnea.

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My qualifications would be the 6 sleep studies I did before and after my sleep apnea surgery. Several years of observing young and old, fat and skinny, black and white during the before and after doctor visits.

Yet I made no blanket statements, then contradicted myself, then tried to redirect the blame where it doesnt lie.

Sleep apnea affects everyone. Its a fact. Surely you learned that in your board certifications of anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/sleep-apnea-could-be-killing-you
http://www.sleepapneasurgerynyc.com/blog/can-thin-people-still-sleep-apnea
http://premiersleepsolutions.com/obstructive-sleep-apnea-osa/osa-myths-facts
http://www.sleep-apnea-guide.com/is-it-sleep-apnea-if-youre-at-normal-weight.html

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Gold Tron said:

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Klose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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You did make a blanket statement. That blanket statement is incorrect. As evidenced by your own reply.

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My idea of the vast majority is 1/1000. I think that qualifies for a blanket statement but please continue to lecture me. I would love to know your qualifications in managing sleep apnea.

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My qualifications would be the 6 sleep studies I did before and after my sleep apnea surgery. Several years of observing young and old, fat and skinny, black and white during the before and after doctor visits.

Yet I made no blanket statements, then contradicted myself, then tried to redirect the blame where it doesnt lie.

Sleep apnea affects everyone. Its a fact. Surely you learned that in your board certifications of anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/sleep-apnea-could-be-killing-you
http://www.sleepapneasurgerynyc.com/blog/can-thin-people-still-sleep-apnea
http://premiersleepsolutions.com/obstructive-sleep-apnea-osa/osa-myths-facts
http://www.sleep-apnea-guide.com/is-it-sleep-apnea-if-youre-at-normal-weight.html

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So being a patient makes you an expert. Good to know. We should shut down residency programs and let anyone who has had biliary colic take out gallbladders. I assume you had a UPPP. That means you are qualified to be an ENT.

Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Klose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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You did make a blanket statement. That blanket statement is incorrect. As evidenced by your own reply.

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My idea of the vast majority is 1/1000. I think that qualifies for a blanket statement but please continue to lecture me. I would love to know your qualifications in managing sleep apnea.

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My qualifications would be the 6 sleep studies I did before and after my sleep apnea surgery. Several years of observing young and old, fat and skinny, black and white during the before and after doctor visits.

Yet I made no blanket statements, then contradicted myself, then tried to redirect the blame where it doesnt lie.

Sleep apnea affects everyone. Its a fact. Surely you learned that in your board certifications of anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/sleep-apnea-could-be-killing-you
http://www.sleepapneasurgerynyc.com/blog/can-thin-people-still-sleep-apnea
http://premiersleepsolutions.com/obstructive-sleep-apnea-osa/osa-myths-facts
http://www.sleep-apnea-guide.com/is-it-sleep-apnea-if-youre-at-normal-weight.html

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So being a patient makes you an expert. Good to know. We should shut down residency programs and let anyone who has had biliary colic take out gallbladders. I assume you had a UPPP. That means you are qualified to be an ENT.

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Once again, I dont need to be the expert. You are supposed to be the expert (according to you) yet you didnt know that there are a myriad of other factors other than weight that cause sleep apnea. Why is that?

BTW, not one of your linked articles is from a medical journal. They are all from sites advertising to their patient population.

Gold Tron said:

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BTW, not one of your linked articles is from a medical journal. They are all from sites advertising to their patient population.

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Once again, I dont need to be the expert. You are supposed to be the expert (according to you) yet you didnt know that there are a myriad of other factors other than weight that cause sleep apnea. Why is that?

Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Klose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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You did make a blanket statement. That blanket statement is incorrect. As evidenced by your own reply.

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My idea of the vast majority is 1/1000. I think that qualifies for a blanket statement but please continue to lecture me. I would love to know your qualifications in managing sleep apnea.

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My qualifications would be the 6 sleep studies I did before and after my sleep apnea surgery. Several years of observing young and old, fat and skinny, black and white during the before and after doctor visits.

Yet I made no blanket statements, then contradicted myself, then tried to redirect the blame where it doesnt lie.

Sleep apnea affects everyone. Its a fact. Surely you learned that in your board certifications of anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/sleep-apnea-could-be-killing-you
http://www.sleepapneasurgerynyc.com/blog/can-thin-people-still-sleep-apnea
http://premiersleepsolutions.com/obstructive-sleep-apnea-osa/osa-myths-facts
http://www.sleep-apnea-guide.com/is-it-sleep-apnea-if-youre-at-normal-weight.html

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So being a patient makes you an expert. Good to know. We should shut down residency programs and let anyone who has had biliary colic take out gallbladders. I assume you had a UPPP. That means you are qualified to be an ENT.

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Once again, I dont need to be the expert. You are supposed to be the expert (according to you) yet you didnt know that there are a myriad of other factors other than weight that cause sleep apnea. Why is that?

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Yet your testimonial gives the impression that you believe that you are an expert. I know what I am talking about through experience. You believe what you are talking about because of what you have been told by others. This is my last reply. Good day to you.

Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Klose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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You did make a blanket statement. That blanket statement is incorrect. As evidenced by your own reply.

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My idea of the vast majority is 1/1000. I think that qualifies for a blanket statement but please continue to lecture me. I would love to know your qualifications in managing sleep apnea.

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My qualifications would be the 6 sleep studies I did before and after my sleep apnea surgery. Several years of observing young and old, fat and skinny, black and white during the before and after doctor visits.

Yet I made no blanket statements, then contradicted myself, then tried to redirect the blame where it doesnt lie.

Sleep apnea affects everyone. Its a fact. Surely you learned that in your board certifications of anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/sleep-apnea-could-be-killing-you
http://www.sleepapneasurgerynyc.com/blog/can-thin-people-still-sleep-apnea
http://premiersleepsolutions.com/obstructive-sleep-apnea-osa/osa-myths-facts
http://www.sleep-apnea-guide.com/is-it-sleep-apnea-if-youre-at-normal-weight.html

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So being a patient makes you an expert. Good to know. We should shut down residency programs and let anyone who has had biliary colic take out gallbladders. I assume you had a UPPP. That means you are qualified to be an ENT.

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Once again, I dont need to be the expert. You are supposed to be the expert (according to you) yet you didnt know that there are a myriad of other factors other than weight that cause sleep apnea. Why is that?

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Yet your testimonial gives the impression that you believe that you are an expert. I know what I am talking about through experience. You believe what you are talking about because of what you have been told by others. This is my last reply. Good day to you.

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No, I told you what I saw in front of my eyes, not what I have 'been told by others'. Go back and re-read. And you tell me that you have 15 years of experience, yet you seem to know only one of the myriad of reasons that cause sleep apnea. Scary to know that you may be in my operating room someday

Anyway, this is day 440 of BU84BEAR being Not 53.

I am an expert at countdowns related to age 53.

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Anyway, this is day 440 of BU84BEAR being Not 53.

I am an expert at countdowns related to age 53.

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Lets just hope we all have 15 years of being 53

Day 441(!)

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000811.htm

http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/reports/articles/obstructive-sleep-apnea

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health-topics/sleep-apnea

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/obstructive-sleep-apnoea/


Are these credible enough for you?

Day 442 of BU84BEAR being Not 53.

I have great credibility. I expect to have my GED soon -- fourth time's a charm!

btw - thanks for this thread. going to try CPAP or BIPAP again. From the ads Ive seen, the masks look a lot more comfortable than they used to be

Anyone know the costs without insurance? I need to redo my sleep study and have my machine pressure checked.

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Anyone know the costs without insurance? I need to redo my sleep study and have my machine pressure checked.

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Scott, I have no idea but between my wife and I we have soaked Medicare beyond belief. When I look at the bills the Doctors and Hospitals send to Medicare I cannot believe the country can continue at this pace unless you bring a wheelbarrow full of cash to the doctor in 2030 and beyond.

My machine and replacements are fully covered by Medicare.

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Anyone know the costs without insurance? I need to redo my sleep study and have my machine pressure checked.

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https://smile.amazon.com/Respironics-DreamStation-Auto-humidifier-heated/dp/B07739S45J/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1513731688&sr=8-6&keywords=dreamstation+cpap+machine

$525 Amazon

Gold Tron said:

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BTW, not one of your linked articles is from a medical journal. They are all from sites advertising to their patient population.

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Welcome to the post evidence based world, Doc.

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Gold Tron said:

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BTW, not one of your linked articles is from a medical journal. They are all from sites advertising to their patient population.

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Welcome to the post evidence based world, Doc.

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there goes squash - a day late, a dollar short

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My biggest complaint is the full mask leaks when I toss and turn and it sounds like farting.

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That ain't the machine ... = your wife's biggest complaint.

Which is better than you not reaching age 54. As BU84 could attest to ... if he had.

Day 443 of BU84BEAR being Not 53.

Sardines are high in Omega-3 fatty acids.

Day 444 of BU84BEAR being Not 53.

You should try one of the new Narcan-dispensing CPAPs. See the Chris Farley thread for details.

Assassin said:

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Found out I had bad sleep apnea many years ago. At that time they only had the bulky CPAPs - nearly impossible to sleep in. Craig Schwimmer in Dallas did the sleep apnea surgery. Absolutely butchered me. I have a massive hole at the back of my throat. Took me years to re-learn how to stop food from coming out of my nose. Cant sleep but on one side as the throat wont close.

To top it off, the sleep apnea is still there.

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omg, sounds like this Schwimmer guy should not be practicing medicine!

Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Assassin said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Klose weight and cpap is not necessary. that is all.

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nope;
http://www.neurokc.com/sleep-article/skinny-people-have-sleep-apnea-too/

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So i should set aside my board certification in anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management for a non-scientific fluff article? The vast majority of obstructive sleep apnea patients would no longer need cpap or bipap if they lost weight.

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You did make a blanket statement. That blanket statement is incorrect. As evidenced by your own reply.

---

My idea of the vast majority is 1/1000. I think that qualifies for a blanket statement but please continue to lecture me. I would love to know your qualifications in managing sleep apnea.

---

My qualifications would be the 6 sleep studies I did before and after my sleep apnea surgery. Several years of observing young and old, fat and skinny, black and white during the before and after doctor visits.

Yet I made no blanket statements, then contradicted myself, then tried to redirect the blame where it doesnt lie.

Sleep apnea affects everyone. Its a fact. Surely you learned that in your board certifications of anesthesiologiy and 15 years of experience in airway management.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/sleep-apnea-could-be-killing-you
http://www.sleepapneasurgerynyc.com/blog/can-thin-people-still-sleep-apnea
http://premiersleepsolutions.com/obstructive-sleep-apnea-osa/osa-myths-facts
http://www.sleep-apnea-guide.com/is-it-sleep-apnea-if-youre-at-normal-weight.html

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So being a patient makes you an expert. Good to know. We should shut down residency programs and let anyone who has had biliary colic take out gallbladders. I assume you had a UPPP. That means you are qualified to be an ENT.

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Once again, I dont need to be the expert. You are supposed to be the expert (according to you) yet you didnt know that there are a myriad of other factors other than weight that cause sleep apnea. Why is that?

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Yet your testimonial gives the impression that you believe that you are an expert. I know what I am talking about through experience. You believe what you are talking about because of what you have been told by others. This is my last reply. Good day to you.

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you are so mean!!!!!!!!!!! Just wonderful bedside manners

Assassin said:

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btw - thanks for this thread. going to try CPAP or BIPAP again. From the ads Ive seen, the masks look a lot more comfortable than they used to be

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I couldn't stand the one they gave me after pneumonia in 2011 in the hospital. I only tolerated the one this time in the hospital.

The one at home is quite comfortable once I learned to position it right. After the therapists' 1st instructions, of course I screwed up her nice fit the first time I had to take it off to go to the bathroom. (I was released late in the evening from the hospital so went straight to bed after she fitted me.) I made it work but was never sure what was different. When she returned I made sure to ask her the correct positions of the various headstraps and Velcro closures, and then marked where she put them so when I remove it, I can place it back in the same place.

(No SMack, I did not mark the position of the headstraps on my scalp. I meant the Velcro closures.)

My full facemask has magnet releases for the two chin straps making it easy to get out of for a bathroom trip. But sometimes in my sleepy fog and haste to go to the bathroom, I loosen the Velcro trying to pull the magnet to release it.

BU84BEAR said:

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Assassin said:

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btw - thanks for this thread. going to try CPAP or BIPAP again. From the ads Ive seen, the masks look a lot more comfortable than they used to be

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I couldn't stand the one they gave me after pneumonia in 2011 in the hospital. I only tolerated the one this time in the hospital.

The one at home is quite comfortable once I learned to position it right. After the therapists' 1st instructions, of course I screwed up her nice fit the first time I had to take it off to go to the bathroom. I made it work but was never sure what was different. When she returned I made sure to ask her the correct positions of the various headstraps and Velcro closures, and then marked where she put them so when I remove it, I can place it back in the same place.

(No SMack, I did not mark the position of the headstraps on my scalp. I meant the Velcro closures.)

My full facemask has magnet releases for the two chin straps making it easy to get out of for a bathroom trip. But sometimes in my sleepy fog and haste to go to the bathroom, I loosen the Velcro trying to pull the magnet to release it.

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My sister works for a Providence spinoff that sells them. Didnt even consider it until i saw this thread. If they're not too expensive, I think I'll give it another try

You could improve it by having the Velcro permanently attached to your head. It would hurt the first time, but it would make it easier; plus, it would be an amazing fashion statement.

Day 445.

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You could improve it by having the Velcro permanently attached to your head. It would hurt the first time, but it would make it easier; plus, it would be an amazing fashion statement.

Day 445.

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That might solve the problem of them getting stuck to my beard stubble.