Waco suburb help

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Jhays7
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I was asked by a friend who is moving to Waco for my opinion on some of the surrounding areas. Everything has changed since I was there and unfortunately my current knowledge is pretty much based on fixer upper! My question is what areas would you recommend to someone moving to the area with 3 kids? Obviously schools are very important! She specifically asked about Woodway, China Springs and McGregor.

Thanks in Advance!!
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Fat Daddy
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Woodway
China Spring
Lorena
Crawford

Maybe consider Leroy, it just depends..
Mitch Blood Green
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Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston.
Illinois Bear2
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tommie said:

Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston.
LOL!!!!
Dia del DougO
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Bremond?
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Woodway, hewitt, parts of crawford in midway schools, china spring, speeglville, area between woodway and Mcgregor- all good for kids/schools
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Lorena, Crawford, China Spring, Robinson.
Hewitt (Midway ISD) is way over rated IMO, lots of stuff that would put a bad light on them goes unreported because they are the 'chosen one'. Don't believe all the midway hype.
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tommie said:

Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston.
Must be a fan of Walker: Texas Ranger. I saw that show one time and he drove from Dallas to San Antone in about ten minutes, and back again. But then he IS Chuck Norris.
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tommie said:

Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston.


Minus Austin, San Antonio and Houston
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Nguyen One Soon
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Dia del DougO said:

tommie said:

Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston.
Must be a fan of Walker: Texas Ranger. I saw that show one time and he drove from Dallas to San Antone in about ten minutes, and back again. But then he IS Chuck Norris.
Like the Dallas episode where Bobby and J. R. got caught in a hurricane, in Waco.
Grumpy
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Midway is best school district by far. Great in athletics, fine arts, and classes that most schools don't offer. McGregor is decent - sweet, small town spirit. Lorena has significant social problems as a student culture, and China Spring simply teaches to the test. Stay away from Waco schools altogether.
Mr Tulip
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It depends. If you want the insulated, white bread, suburban experience, all of the lists posted thus far will keep you safely away from anyone different.

As a bonus, you can live in a house that looks like everyone else's.
Jhays7
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Thanks everyone! She really appreciates the feedback!
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PartyBear
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Mr Tulip said:

It depends. If you want the insulated, white bread, suburban experience, all of the lists posted thus far will keep you safely away from anyone different.

As a bonus, you can live in a house that looks like everyone else's.
Midway is not like it was in the 80s and before. It is alot more diverse now. It is not a rural small school. It is a big suburban school. Now I'm talking about the high school specifically. Down at the elementary school level there are probably a couple that are not that diverse.
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PartyBear said:

Midway is not like it was in the 80s and before. It is alot more diverse now. It is not a rural small school. It is a big suburban school. Now I'm talking about the high school specifically. Down at the elementary school level there are probably a couple that are not that diverse.


This; however, Midway is still a very good school. They offer a wide variety of interest where most kids will be able to find their own clique. Many kids have to specialize in one sport to make a team, even at the junior high level due to the sheer volume of kids. Example ...

My daughter (at Lorena - listed below) was on Varsity Cross Country and Track her freshman year. (Granted she was fast - went to regionals that year). Her junior year she decided to play soccer for the first time since kindergarten. She was a started her senior season. She's a good athlete; however, that doesn't happen at a Midway. Most of those kids are year round club players to make the school squad. My niece (life long club soccer player) didn't make the Midway freshman team because she couldn't get her mile time under Midway's parameters. (This is part her fault for not working as hard as she should have in the summer.)

The following are my opinions ...

McGregor - Your friend probably saw nice houses with the McGregor zip code that are not in McGregor ISD. These are homes along the 84 corridor that are in Midway ISD. The actual town of McGregor is not a preferred spot at this point.

Crawford - Small school district - 2A. Very good school. Great parental involvement. A little further away from Waco than most areas; however, many don't mind the drive. They are very competitive in all sports.

China Spring - Nice bedroom community on the northwest side of Waco. It's a mixture of haves and have nots. It's a growing area as they just moved up to Class 4A - Division I. My cousin has taught in there for 15 years (even though she's too is a Midway grad and still lives in Woodway.) One disappointing thing is that they did not participate in junior Cross Country the last two years. I've heard that it was a budget issue. I don't know the whole truth; however, how do you allow that?

Woodway - These homes will always hold their value. Midway ISD- See previous opinions listed. All valid. Great lower level schools. Great HS. One has to decide if they want a huge school or a small school for their kids.

Lorena - As a Midway grad, I moved my family here 18 years ago. Growing bedroom community south of Waco. Great schools. Small schools. Kids all have a chance to play whatever sport they like (For the most part). They are one of the smaller 4A schools in the state; however, they highly competitive in all areas. My wife has taught 2nd grade here for a several years. Pros: Small town feel where everyone know everyone like family. Cons: Everyone knows everyone.

Robinson - 4A school south east of Waco. Close to Waco for convenience. Competitive in most sports. Smaller than China Spring; however approximately 40% more kids than Lorena. Good schools.

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Grumpy said:

Midway is best school district by far. Great in athletics, fine arts, and classes that most schools don't offer. McGregor is decent - sweet, small town spirit. Lorena has significant social problems as a student culture, and China Spring simply teaches to the test. Stay away from Waco schools altogether.
LOL.

Biased much?

Teach to the test is the most over used and least understood phrase today in education. One cannot "teach to the test" when schools do not know what is on the test.

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Grumpy said:

Midway is best school district by far. Great in athletics, fine arts, and classes that most schools don't offer.


Yes, but one can get lost in the vast crowd. Fortunately it has enough cliques for kids to find their way. It does limit the kid to one particular set of activities where the smaller schools offer students a chance to experience more.

Grumpy said:

Lorena has significant social problems as a student culture,

Please let me know what "significant social problems" that Lorena has a student culture. Feel free to PM me, if the subject is too sensitive to post.

Grumpy said:

and China Spring simply teaches to the test.


ALL schools teach the test. PERIOD. Actually they teach the "TEKS" - Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills. That's all they teach. My wife has taught in Midway, Waco, and now Lorena. There is no deviation from the norm for any school. They only difference in Midway is a) they have a higher social-economic status which typically leads to better scores on tests. b) they identify kids who will NOT pass the test and move them to a special program so that they don't have to take the test.

Grumpy said:

Stay away from Waco schools altogether.
While I'd typically says "DUH", Waco High does offer a nice Honors program from what I'm told. I've heard that those kids are almost isolated. This is a far cry different to the environment that the kids in the General Population there have. Irrespective, I'd agree. I would not send my kids there.
Mr Tulip
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I was being extremely overbroad and snarky.

Midway is now a large place. A lot of what it used to be (that is, a wealthy white flight refuge for those who could afford the taxes necessary to run an ISD without government help), but now also includes a lot of development tract houses in Hewitt. In reality, Midway needs another middle school and another high school. The feeder schools will basically dictate which experience you get.

And I'm lucky. I'm located behind Vanguard, in the Waco ISD, where I can pretend to be multicultural but in reality am safely ensconced away from any true crime threat. There's a reason why all the "Fixer Upper" folks hunt in my neighborhood.
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Grumpy said:

Midway is best school district by far... Stay away from Waco schools altogether.
LOL, what a joke. In reality, Midway and Waco are a lot more alike that most people (want) to realize.
Grumpy
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Hmm. Last year Midway had 12 National Merit commended, 7 National Merit finalists. Waco had 0.
MrGolfguy
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The whole 'Midway is awesome & the only place to send your kids, Waco is terrible, avoid it at all costs' message is a myth.
PartyBear
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I'm not saying Midway is the best. It is really good and is the best for some but the reality is that Midway High is giant and the jr high is the size of a 5a High school. So yes if you do not want your kid going to a giant high school, Midway is not the place for you. I would also point out it is much easier for your kid to be in the top 6% of his or her class if seeking auto admission and free ride to the states top state schools and free ride to other schools around the state and country etc.if he or she does not go to Midway. I would add regarding size, Waco High is now 6a so it is growing into a giant school as well.
Moondoggie
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I used to teach at mcgregor. Kids play all of the sports and show a pig to boot. They have not lost their autonomy as a small town separate from Waco.

Loved it.
BaylorGuy314
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Our kids go to Lorena. Love it because of the size - big enough to offer almost anything, small enough that you don't get lost in the crowd and kids don't have to specialize for 10 years to play a sport or excel in fine arts. It's growing but in a good way.

I have nothing against Midway- it's a great school- but it's size was not appealing to us.

I'd say you really can't go wrong with (in no particular order):

Bosqueville
China Spring
Crawford
Lorena
Midway
Robinson

McGregor is improving but is still generally viewed as behind the others so far. As someone else said, lots of homes in McGregor that actually go to Midway.

Edit: For what it's worth, most homes in Woodway are Midway ISD but some are Waco ISD so double check.
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MrGolfguy said:

Grumpy said:

Midway is best school district by far... Stay away from Waco schools altogether.
LOL, what a joke. In reality, Midway and Waco are a lot more alike that most people (want) to realize.
I taught in both Waco ISD and Midway ISD within the last 5 years, they are miles apart, particularly at the high school level. The amount of chaos in WISD is unreal, discipline problems, unbelievably high faculty attrition rates, etc etc. You couldn't pay me enough to go back and teach at University or Waco High. Midway was a cushy pleasure cruise in comparison, I wouldn't send my kids to WISD for all the tea in China (Spring or otherwise).
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TrapIt4Life said:

MrGolfguy said:

Grumpy said:

Midway is best school district by far... Stay away from Waco schools altogether.
LOL, what a joke. In reality, Midway and Waco are a lot more alike that most people (want) to realize.
I taught in both Waco ISD and Midway ISD within the last 5 years, they are miles apart, particularly at the high school level. The amount of chaos in WISD is unreal, discipline problems, unbelievably high faculty attrition rates, etc etc. You couldn't pay me enough to go back and teach at University or Waco High. Midway was a cushy pleasure cruise in comparison, I wouldn't send my kids to WISD for all the tea in China (Spring or otherwise).
MrGolfguy
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Midway isn't cushy or a pleasure to the student that got stabbed by another student in the cafeteria a few years ago. Or to the students that got physically abused by their teacher at Midway recently.
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MrGolfguy said:

Midway isn't cushy or a pleasure to the student that got stabbed by another student in the cafeteria a few years ago. Or to the students that got physically abused by their teacher at Midway recently.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I didn't say it was perfect, far from it. But having been in Waco ISD for years prior to Midway, the amount of kids that get sent to DAEP or alternative school due to physical violence is shockingly high in Waco schools, starting at the elementary level. Again, I've served at both districts and you can't go 15 mins without talking to some teacher desperate to get out of WISD and get over to Midway. But, when you go through a new admin team each and every year at both high schools, it would be tough for any teacher to enjoy their job and hope for any disciplinary continuity.
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China Spring is a nice area, but it also has limited infrastructure in terms of getting into and out of town. Right now, the growth is sustainable, especially with the expansion of China Spring Road. That being said, I've lived in a road-locked community before, and once growth gets to a certain point, it becomes a headache traveling into and out of your community.

I would actually suggest a community accessible by Interstate 35. That allows you to get to and from home in about half the time it takes you to drive through all the streets and traffic lights to get to China Spring.

I may be a homer, but Lorena is a really nice area that has easy, quick access to the Waco and Temple areas. You can literally travel from Lorena to McLane Stadium in less than 15 minutes. It's less than 20 minutes from Lorena to Buc ee's in Temple Ask anyone from China Spring how long it takes them just to get to Central Texas Marketplace. It takes my brother, who lives off Spring Valley Road in the Lorena area less than ten minutes.

Nothing against China Spring; just something to think about.
Grumpy
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Once China Spring gets a grocery store (and it needs one), it will take off. We thought about a place in CS, but the idea of having to drive to Wooded Acres or Hewitt to get groceries (esp for milk in the middle of the night), just didn't seem appealing.
Mr Tulip
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You can have whatever experience you want in the WISD.

Now, there are some elementary schools simply located in tough neighborhoods that it'd be hard to enjoy. That's obvious. However, WISD middle schools and high schools have different layers, including self-contained academies that are operated differently from the base high school. These academies focus on college bound academics and frequently tie in with dual-credit courses.

Whereas previous WISD administrations seemed to be settling for whatever executive couldn't find a job anywhere else, I'm very pleased with the ideas, ideals, and energy of the new superintendent. Rather than taking someone else's castoff, he is a highly sought professional with a strong track record of re-energizing and turning around hard cases. I'm counting on him to change WISD's usual operating procedure of changing thoughts every 3 years.

My daughter is a junior at Waco High School. She started 1st grade at Mountainview Elementary. My son is currently in the 5th grade at Mountainview. We couldn't be happier with their experiences. I believe my children are prepared to interact with society, both from an intellectual and social level. I'm sure there are other places where this could occur as well.
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Mr Tulip said:

You can have whatever experience you want in the WISD.

Now, there are some elementary schools simply located in tough neighborhoods that it'd be hard to enjoy. That's obvious. However, WISD middle schools and high schools have different layers, including self-contained academies that are operated differently from the base high school. These academies focus on college bound academics and frequently tie in with dual-credit courses.

Whereas previous WISD administrations seemed to be settling for whatever executive couldn't find a job anywhere else, I'm very pleased with the ideas, ideals, and energy of the new superintendent. Rather than taking someone else's castoff, he is a highly sought professional with a strong track record of re-energizing and turning around hard cases. I'm counting on him to change WISD's usual operating procedure of changing thoughts every 3 years.

My daughter is a junior at Waco High School. She started 1st grade at Mountainview Elementary. My son is currently in the 5th grade at Mountainview. We couldn't be happier with their experiences. I believe my children are prepared to interact with society, both from an intellectual and social level. I'm sure there are other places where this could occur as well.
The "academies" are not self contained at either of the 2 high schools. When people hear this they often think of it as being in a different wing then the rest of the school and the students in these academies and advanced classes are separate from the regular students.

This is not true. Often their class is a dual credit class located right next to a regular grade level class. The teacher of the DC class may have regular level as well other times of the day. They walk through the halls with all students. They just take different classes.

But everything else you said is spot on and I agree. This new superintendent has lots of good ideas and doesn't seem to care about some of the things that Waco ISD has done just because they have done it that way for ever, or hiring people for top jobs because they are "Waco native" richfield grad, have connections to longtime Waco families, etc.

He is about what is best for the students/ district
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cowboycwr said:

Mr Tulip said:

You can have whatever experience you want in the WISD.

Now, there are some elementary schools simply located in tough neighborhoods that it'd be hard to enjoy. That's obvious. However, WISD middle schools and high schools have different layers, including self-contained academies that are operated differently from the base high school. These academies focus on college bound academics and frequently tie in with dual-credit courses.

Whereas previous WISD administrations seemed to be settling for whatever executive couldn't find a job anywhere else, I'm very pleased with the ideas, ideals, and energy of the new superintendent. Rather than taking someone else's castoff, he is a highly sought professional with a strong track record of re-energizing and turning around hard cases. I'm counting on him to change WISD's usual operating procedure of changing thoughts every 3 years.

My daughter is a junior at Waco High School. She started 1st grade at Mountainview Elementary. My son is currently in the 5th grade at Mountainview. We couldn't be happier with their experiences. I believe my children are prepared to interact with society, both from an intellectual and social level. I'm sure there are other places where this could occur as well.
The "academies" are not self contained at either of the 2 high schools. When people hear this they often think of it as being in a different wing then the rest of the school and the students in these academies and advanced classes are separate from the regular students.

This is not true. Often their class is a dual credit class located right next to a regular grade level class. The teacher of the DC class may have regular level as well other times of the day. They walk through the halls with all students. They just take different classes.

But everything else you said is spot on and I agree. This new superintendent has lots of good ideas and doesn't seem to care about some of the things that Waco ISD has done just because they have done it that way for ever, or hiring people for top jobs because they are "Waco native" richfield grad, have connections to longtime Waco families, etc.

He is about what is best for the students/ district
I'm well aware of the academies. My daughter is there every day. I believe that a completely isolated experience that insulates them from those not in her academic circle would limit her. School not only teaches the academic subjects, but should also allow one to grow socially. Everyone has a story. By only associating with your peers, you miss those stories.

It all depends on what you want to get out of it.
MrGolfguy
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Exactly. Like I noted earlier; the myth is that Waco is a hellhole with absolutely nothing good going on while Midway is some Utopia. It's totally unfair to all parties and those that perpetuate this myth need to get a grasp on reality.
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Mr Tulip said:

cowboycwr said:

Mr Tulip said:

You can have whatever experience you want in the WISD.

Now, there are some elementary schools simply located in tough neighborhoods that it'd be hard to enjoy. That's obvious. However, WISD middle schools and high schools have different layers, including self-contained academies that are operated differently from the base high school. These academies focus on college bound academics and frequently tie in with dual-credit courses.

Whereas previous WISD administrations seemed to be settling for whatever executive couldn't find a job anywhere else, I'm very pleased with the ideas, ideals, and energy of the new superintendent. Rather than taking someone else's castoff, he is a highly sought professional with a strong track record of re-energizing and turning around hard cases. I'm counting on him to change WISD's usual operating procedure of changing thoughts every 3 years.

My daughter is a junior at Waco High School. She started 1st grade at Mountainview Elementary. My son is currently in the 5th grade at Mountainview. We couldn't be happier with their experiences. I believe my children are prepared to interact with society, both from an intellectual and social level. I'm sure there are other places where this could occur as well.
The "academies" are not self contained at either of the 2 high schools. When people hear this they often think of it as being in a different wing then the rest of the school and the students in these academies and advanced classes are separate from the regular students.

This is not true. Often their class is a dual credit class located right next to a regular grade level class. The teacher of the DC class may have regular level as well other times of the day. They walk through the halls with all students. They just take different classes.

But everything else you said is spot on and I agree. This new superintendent has lots of good ideas and doesn't seem to care about some of the things that Waco ISD has done just because they have done it that way for ever, or hiring people for top jobs because they are "Waco native" richfield grad, have connections to longtime Waco families, etc.

He is about what is best for the students/ district
I'm well aware of the academies. My daughter is there every day. I believe that a completely isolated experience that insulates them from those not in her academic circle would limit her. School not only teaches the academic subjects, but should also allow one to grow socially. Everyone has a story. By only associating with your peers, you miss those stories.

It all depends on what you want to get out of it.
I agree. A person needs experiences of all sorts, with all types of people.

I was just replying to where you typed that the academies are self-contained (first paragraph, 3rd sentence).

Many people think that the academies are a different wing/ section of the school or even separate building like the old AJ Moore was.
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