Everyone thought Aranda was a genius four months ago and now some think he suddenly lost his mind. SMH

Bear8084 said:

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The_Mad_Shopper said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Looking "pretty" is actually a huge deal. It indicates superior biomechanics.

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No need to get overly cerebral about this, guys. Shapen has one hot ass.

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Those football pants seem to get tighter and tighter each year.

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Too much attention being paid to something that is unimportant. I don't care what Shapen looks like (or any part of him) so long as he can lead the team to victories.

Eugene Stoner said:

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Everyone thought Aranda was a genius four months ago and now some think he suddenly lost his mind. SMH

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It's possible to question a particular decision made by a coach you respect and support. I think Dave Aranda's a great coach and a wonderful man. I could not be happier with the job he's done and program he's building at Baylor. But that won't prevent me from disagreeing with a decision he makes from time to time.

I don't know where I stand on this one. I'm still processing it. On one hand, it can't be anything but a negative to push a leader of Gerry's caliber out of your program, which this decision was almost certain to do. But on the other, you were likely going to lose one of these two guys either way.

This is just of those impossible choices that the transfer portal has introduced into a coach's calculus. The quarterback position has become an almost impossible situation to navigate because everyone wants to play and you only have one available spot. Now that guys can move freely, it's going to be really difficult to keep an experienced back-up or a high-upside freshman on your sideline for long.

I don't know whether Aranda made the correct choice or not. And honestly, I'm not sure there was a correct choice. It is what it is. I just hope it works out for the betterment of all involved parties.

Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

Kelly Bryant was the leader of Clemson's team in 2017. They made it to the CFP but lost to Bama.

The next year Bryant lost his job to freshman Trevor Lawrence after 4 games. Bryant transferred immediately. Lawrence went on to lead Clemson to beat Bama in the national championship game and handed Saban his worst loss ever at Bama.

Does anyone think Swinney made a bad call here?

BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Almost like, when LSU brought in a real QB in 2019? I wonder what happened that year...

BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

hodedofome said:

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Kelly Bryant was the leader of Clemson's team in 2017. They made it to the CFP but lost to Bama.

The next year Bryant lost his job to freshman Trevor Lawrence after 4 games. Bryant transferred immediately. Lawrence went on to lead Clemson to beat Bama in the national championship game and handed Saban his worst loss ever at Bama.

Does anyone think Swinney made a bad call here?

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This analogy only works if you think Blake Shapen is Trevor Lawrence, who was one of the top quarterback recruits in the history of college football.

Shapen's a talented kid, but he's still got plenty to prove and some fairly significant questions to answer.

bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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That's fair. I don't tend to count guys like Solomon and McClendon who only started about three games between them. But I think Brewer and Bohanon's placement on your rankings there is fair.

We're really talking about semantics. I think both Brewer and Bohanon were good college quarterbacks, so I'll defend them against a label like "slightly above average," which I would equate more with decent than good.

bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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That's fair. I don't tend to count guys like Solomon and McClendon who only started about three games between them. But I think Brewer and Bohanon's placement on your rankings there is fair.

We're really talking about semantics. I think both Brewer and Bohanon were good college quarterbacks, so I'll defend them against a label like "slightly above average," which I would equate more with decent than good.

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Fair enough. We just haven't had someone in the QB tier of Kyler Murray, Mason Rudolph, Baker Mayfield, Will Grier, Jalen Hurts, Sam Ehlinger, Caleb Williams in the past 6 years. OU, WVU, OSU and UT have.

Those have been the elite Big 12 QBs in that period. Can Shapen be that good? Who knows. But I would like to see the elite QB play again at Baylor to give us a higher ceiling.

And there's no guarantee Gerry wouldn't have regressed this season or simply not improved in any convincing way either. There were risks either way.

An underrated facet of a good/great QB designator is their command of the team. Everything I saw and heard about Gerry's demeanor and leadership qualities was positive, but it's entirely possible that the team as a whole cleaved more to Shapen after he did what he did down the stretch. And it's entirely possible (more than likely really) that the coaching staff's decision took that into consideration.

You'd expect the coaching staff to stay tuned into the mood of the locker room as well, and I would expect the move to Shapen wasn't solely about what happens between whistle blows. And that's less of a knock on Gerry than it is a nod to Shapen.

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And there's no guarantee Gerry wouldn't have regressed this season or simply not improved in any convincing way either. There were risks either way.

An underrated facet of a good/great QB designator is their command of the team. Everything I saw and heard about Gerry's demeanor and leadership qualities was positive, but it's entirely possible that the team as a whole cleaved more to Shapen after he did what he did down the stretch. And it's entirely possible (more than likely really) that the coaching staff's decision took that into consideration.

You'd expect the coaching staff to stay tuned into the mood of the locker room as well, and I would expect the move to Shapen wasn't solely about what happens between whistle blows. And that's less of a knock on Gerry than it is a nod to Shapen.

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Based on literally everything I've ever heard or read about the kid, I think it highly unlikely Gerry lost this competition based any sort of intangible concerns. We don't have any reason whatsoever to believe that his teammates doubted his ability to lead them.

I think it far more likely that our staff felt Blake Shapen's skill set better fit what they're trying to accomplish offensively and thus the decision was exclusively based on what happens between whistle blows.

When the run game works, it opens to up the play action pass, which created opportunities to throw, the deep ball in particular.

When the run game doesn't work, and passes are more difficult, the QB game becomes mismatches and one-on-one matchups which Shapen is very good at.

Doc Holliday said:

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When the run game works, it opens to up the play action pass, which created opportunities to throw, the deep ball in particular.

When the run game doesn't work, and passes are more difficult, the QB game becomes mismatches and one-on-one matchups which Shapen is very good at.

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I'm not worried about Shapen's ability to throw the football. The only things that worry me about a Shapen-led offense are: 1) Can we get tough yards on the ground when we absolutely have to? 2) Can we consistently score touchdowns on first-and-goal from inside the 10 and 3) Can he hold up physically for an entire season?

If the answer to those three questions is yes, I think he'll be a great quarterback for us. If they're not, we'll likely have an offense that's more fun to watch but not necessarily better than what we had last year or in 2019.

As the late Hubert Humphrey used to say, "I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear."

I agree that the coaches are the guys "in the room where it happened," and they have information and insights that we don't have.
Coach Aranda and staff have the knowledge and acumen to decide what they believe will be best for the team.
I'm just saying that sometimes, sometimes, what looks like a good decision on paper can come back to bite you in the rear end.

I hope I am wrong.

And I still hurt for Gerry.

All the guy did was win games and titles for Baylor whenever he was under center.

Now he knows how Tim Tebo feels.

Sic 'em!!!!

Always interesting how smart all of the posters are. If they were the head coach I am sure we would win the national championship. Due to the hard work and sacrifice thar Gerry made for Baylor I am so glad that CDA made a decision in time for Gerry to enter the portal before May 1st. Thank you Gerry for what you did for Baylor football.

BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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Florence was pretty elite the one full season he started. Had we not had one of the worst defenses in college football the first 2/3 of the season we would've easily had double digit wins that year.

BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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Florence was statistically better than RG3. He was awesome. Show some respect.

Johnny Bear said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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Florence was pretty elite the one full season he started. Had we not had one of the worst defenses in college football the first 2/3 of the season we would've easily had double digit wins that year.

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Florence was fantastic. He threw some picks but is the main reason we didn't lose 9 games that year. Our D was atrocious most of that season.

I have him as the 4th best QB in modern Baylor history.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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Florence was statistically better than RG3. He was awesome. Show some respect.

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Comparing 2011 to 2012 Florence was Statistically better? He threw like what? 15 more passing yards than RG3, less touchdowns than RG3, more than doubled RG3s interception, lower completion percentage than RG3 by 10%, less rushing yards than RG3.

I did like ole Nick but I might be looking at wrong stats but I don't see his being better than RG3s

Johnny Bear said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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Florence was pretty elite the one full season he started. Had we not had one of the worst defenses in college football the first 2/3 of the season we would've easily had double digit wins that year.

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Florence was underrated as a running QB, and he was incredibly durable. The hits he took would have injured anyone else. Dude had a steel head.

I agree he should be in the Elite-ish column.

Pecos 45 said:

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All the guy did was take Baylor to the Big 12 Championship and the Sugar Bowl title.
Yes, you can complain about his passing stats, but he won the games that counted.
I'm reminded of the old Darrell Royal saying, "Dance with the one who brung you."

I feel badly for Gerry.
Getting demoted just because you didn't look "pretty" while you were winning.
Dang.
This is hard.

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This is about who fits the offense in the future, not the past. Starting is not a reward for past performance. Just like a scholarship is not a reward for a stellar High School career. It is about potential for the future. As good a kid as GB is, he was a stop gap until Grimes could get someone to run his offense as designed. GB did a great job last year, but he needs to be realistic about his abilities and place in college football in 2022. Staying at BU and reaping the rewards of a thankful BU, would be smarter than transferring to a Alabama-Birmingham for 2 years.

GB played some great games. I enjoyed watching him play

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GB played some great games. I enjoyed watching him play

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Do not disagree with a bit of it. He served his role and did his job well. Well done, sorry to see him go. He is a great team guy and you need those.

+1 for Florence moving up the list. Based on the fact that he would have started over any other guys in that tier.

OddFire71 said:

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+1 for Florence moving up the list. Based on the fact that he would have started over any other guys in that tier.

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Absolutely. That's is why I have him at the top of the tier. He probably is borderline elite category.

BearTruth13 said:

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OddFire71 said:

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+1 for Florence moving up the list. Based on the fact that he would have started over any other guys in that tier.

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Absolutely. That's is why I have him at the top of the tier. He probably is borderline elite category.

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Idk he was great but he threw some bone headed Ints and too many of them

Oldgrizzly said:

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Always interesting how smart all of the posters are. If they were the head coach I am sure we would win the national championship. Due to the hard work and sacrifice thar Gerry made for Baylor I am so glad that CDA made a decision in time for Gerry to enter the portal before May 1st. Thank you Gerry for what you did for Baylor football.

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Agree that we all owe Gerry a big thank you for a Big 12 Title and a Sugar Bowl win.
He always came to play.
Very best to you, GB, wherever you land.

BearTruth13 said:

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OddFire71 said:

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+1 for Florence moving up the list. Based on the fact that he would have started over any other guys in that tier.

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Absolutely. That's is why I have him at the top of the tier. He probably is borderline elite category.

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For what it's worth, I think you got it right. And I absolutely love Nick Florence. Dude's a Baylor legend.

BearTruth13 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Biggest issue with Shapen is obviously going to be health. He needs to be smarter than he was last year and smarter than Brewer.

That being said, he seems to have a better throwing arm than any of our QBs since Seth Russell. We haven't had a truly elite QB in 6 years. We've had bad to slightly above average QBs. Our defense is miles better than it was under Briles. If we could elevate the offense to an elite level, we could be something special.

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Charlie Brewer (pre-2020) and Gerry Bohanon were both well above average college quarterbacks by virtually every metric.

They weren't perfect by any means, but they were very solid.

Gerry was ranked 35th among all college quarterbacks in QBR last year, and Brewer was 37th and 40th in his first two full seasons as a starter.

If you want to argue that we could upgrade that position, that's fair. But I don't think any reasonable argument can be made that either of those guys were "bad to slightly above average" outside of Charlie's senior season.

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I was referring to all QBs since Seth Russell that started. That includes:

Anu Solomon
Jalan McClendon
Zach Smith
Charlie Brewer
Gerry Bohanon

A couple of those were bad. Brewer and Bohanon were the best of the bunch but I'd still put them slightly above average in the Big 12. They typically finished 4th or 5th in the conference in most categories.

My QB ranking in the past 15 years goes:

Elite tier
RGIII
Petty
Russell (pre injury)

Good tier
Florence
Stidham
Brewer
Bohanon

Then the rest in average to sub par.

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I wouldn't have Stidham on my list

It's more difficult to rank QBs who only started for one season (or only part of one). Nick was great at the end of 2012 but not as much at the end. Stidham only started for 3 games & was injured in the first half at Stillwater. Johnson deserves a lot of credit for what he did in the second half. Gerry only started last year & missed 2.5 games to injury. Also, it seems clear that he was not at 100% in the Sugar Bowl. I suspect that's part of the reason he's in the transfer portal.

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It's more difficult to rank QBs who only started for one season (or only part of one). Nick was great at the end of 2012 but not as much at the end. Stidham only started for 3 games & was injured in the first half at Stillwater. Johnson deserves a lot of credit for what he did in the second half. Gerry only started last year & missed 2.5 games to injury. Also, it seems clear that he was not at 100% in the Sugar Bowl. I suspect that's part of the reason he's in the transfer portal.

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I disagree. If it was kust injury, he wouldn't be in portal. He got beat out, because he is not accurate in his passing. The OC believes others can operate the offense the way it should work better. Or, they would not have named Shapen starter.

GB was not wronged, he lost open competition. Funny, no one is giving Shapen credit for a damn good job.

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historian said:

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It's more difficult to rank QBs who only started for one season (or only part of one). Nick was great at the end of 2012 but not as much at the end. Stidham only started for 3 games & was injured in the first half at Stillwater. Johnson deserves a lot of credit for what he did in the second half. Gerry only started last year & missed 2.5 games to injury. Also, it seems clear that he was not at 100% in the Sugar Bowl. I suspect that's part of the reason he's in the transfer portal.

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I disagree. If it was kust injury, he wouldn't be in portal. He got beat out, because he is not accurate in his passing. The OC believes others can operate the offense the way it should work better. Or, they would not have named Shapen starter.

GB was not wronged, he lost open competition. Funny, no one is giving Shapen credit for a damn good job.

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Without taking anything away from the fact that GB was the starting QB for 11 1/2 games of our most successful football season in history, I believe the coaches are at the same time aware of how many cumulative points we left on the field last season thanks to GB's inconsistent passing - especially on long balls - and how much our "D" saved us. I'm assuming they didn't see the level of improvement they wanted to see in that area and therefore made the tough decision they made, probably thinking it unlikely that we can once again get away with leaving a large number of touchdowns on the field from over or under thrown passes to wide-open receivers. I still wish there was a way to utilize both BS and GB next season, but fully understand why GB is in the transfer portal.

I watched replay of KSU game again last night. Shapen came in and looked like a seasoned QB. Even announcers said the same. Moved the ball well, pin point passes and several into coverage. Watched first half of big12 champ game and same thing. I think he will make our young receivers look really good next season and all we need are a few backs than can get 400-500 reads each and Bears will be way more balanced than last year. The deep threat is back under Shapen which GB just never could do consistently. As has been said many times, Shapen won the job, Bohanon wasn't demoted.