Bohanon's rushing also led to an injury that took him out of one of the most important games in Baylor's history. It's a balancing act, but I understand that the coaches are trying to play it safe with the most important player on the field, especially when the backup is also very young. One bad hit derails not only the game but potentially the season.

The game plan Baylor had on Saturday, while so frustrating to watch, put Baylor in a position to win in an extremely hostile environment against a very good team while minimizing risk to injuries and turnovers. Had the team played cleaner football (kicking game/long snapper and penalties), Baylor likely wins the game.

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Bohanon's rushing also led to an injury that took him out of one of the most important games in Baylor's history. It's a balancing act, but I understand that the coaches are trying to play it safe with the most important player on the field, especially when the backup is also very young. One bad hit derails not only the game but potentially the season.

The game plan Baylor had on Saturday, while so frustrating to watch, put Baylor in a position to win in an extremely hostile environment against a very good team while minimizing risk to injuries and turnovers. Had the team played cleaner football (kicking game/long snapper and penalties), Baylor likely wins the game.

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It's hard to blame a non-contact hamstring injury on a guy's playing style.

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BaylorGrad09 said:

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Bohanon's rushing also led to an injury that took him out of one of the most important games in Baylor's history. It's a balancing act, but I understand that the coaches are trying to play it safe with the most important player on the field, especially when the backup is also very young. One bad hit derails not only the game but potentially the season.

The game plan Baylor had on Saturday, while so frustrating to watch, put Baylor in a position to win in an extremely hostile environment against a very good team while minimizing risk to injuries and turnovers. Had the team played cleaner football (kicking game/long snapper and penalties), Baylor likely wins the game.

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It's hard to blame a non-contact hamstring injury on a guy's playing style.

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Shapen is a not a bad runner. But with GB there was the freedom of knowing Shapen was there to back him up. I hope Drones will be great, but it seems like the coaches are worried about what would happen if Shapen went down, so they can't run him.

GB was bigger and more durable, but without a reliable backup, its playing with fire to let your QB do a lot of running.

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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Rewatch the Sugar Bowl. One of the worst passing performances I have ever seen. I think we should have just gone wild cat.

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It wasn't a good passing performance but wins are what counts. Gerry is the only Bear QB to win a New Years day bowl since whomever quarterbacked the 1957 Sugar Bowl
I'll take the W every time

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Flawed argument. Defense and Monoray Baldwin and Abram Smith/Ebner and Oline won that game despite Bohannon. I don't recall a worse qb performance.

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Got it.
Worst QB performance in a new years day bowl game that resulted in a victory. You know who had a worse performance. The ole miss QB

Does Gerry get credit for contributing to the teams regular season success and making it to the Sugar Bowl

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Yes. Love Gerry Bohannon as a player and runner. He was a huge part of our success last year. He just couldn't make a semi difficult throw with any consistency. Frankly I would rather have him direct a run first offense over Shapen. I just don't want to be a predictable run only offense. Hard to win consistently with that kind of offense in today's game.

JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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Rewatch the Sugar Bowl. One of the worst passing performances I have ever seen. I think we should have just gone wild cat.

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It wasn't a good passing performance but wins are what counts. Gerry is the only Bear QB to win a New Years day bowl since whomever quarterbacked the 1957 Sugar Bowl
I'll take the W every time

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Flawed argument. Defense and Monoray Baldwin and Abram Smith/Ebner and Oline won that game despite Bohannon. I don't recall a worse qb performance.

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Got it.
Worst QB performance in a new years day bowl game that resulted in a victory. You know who had a worse performance. The ole miss QB

Does Gerry get credit for contributing to the teams regular season success and making it to the Sugar Bowl

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Yes. Love Gerry Bohannon as a player and runner. He was a huge part of our success last year. He just couldn't make a semi difficult throw with any consistency. Frankly I would rather have him direct a run first offense over Shapen. I just don't want to be a predictable run only offense. Hard to win consistently with that kind of offense in today's game.

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We just literally had our best season of all time with that kind of offense.

If you can run the football consistently and play defense, you'll be in every game you play. You may not win every game, but you'll have a chance to win at the end.

Nothing in football travels better or is more consistent than a physical run game and a dominant defense.

robby44 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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I definitely think it would have been better to keep both. GB should have been the first game starter, with Shapen as the backup, with a chance to win the job during the season. Shapen seems to have suffered from lack of experience, despite having won a couple of big games.

The late switch before the season seemed like poor timing to me. If the thought Shapen was clearly better he should have been named the starter, or in the lead, much earlier.

Dia del DougO said:

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robby44 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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I definitely think it would have been better to keep both. GB should have been the first game starter, with Shapen as the backup, with a chance to win the job during the season. Shapen seems to have suffered from lack of experience, despite having won a couple of big games.

The late switch before the season seemed like poor timing to me. If the thought Shapen was clearly better he should have been named the starter, or in the lead, much earlier.

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Shapen was named the starter last spring well before anyone actually expected the change. In fact, Coach Aranda was both complimented and criticized for doing it so early. On one hand it gave Gerry Bohanon plenty of time to transfer once the staff determined he wasn't going to start. On the other, he transferred and took away the option to put him back into the lineup because he found out so early.

The coaching staff thought at the time (and likely still do) that long term (2+ years), Shapen gives Baylor a higher ceiling than Bohanon did, so they decided to move forward with some growing pains. We will never truly know the right decision since we can't go back and replay it the other direction, but it's the way the team is moving forward now.

bear2be2 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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Rewatch the Sugar Bowl. One of the worst passing performances I have ever seen. I think we should have just gone wild cat.

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It wasn't a good passing performance but wins are what counts. Gerry is the only Bear QB to win a New Years day bowl since whomever quarterbacked the 1957 Sugar Bowl
I'll take the W every time

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Flawed argument. Defense and Monoray Baldwin and Abram Smith/Ebner and Oline won that game despite Bohannon. I don't recall a worse qb performance.

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Got it.
Worst QB performance in a new years day bowl game that resulted in a victory. You know who had a worse performance. The ole miss QB

Does Gerry get credit for contributing to the teams regular season success and making it to the Sugar Bowl

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Yes. Love Gerry Bohannon as a player and runner. He was a huge part of our success last year. He just couldn't make a semi difficult throw with any consistency. Frankly I would rather have him direct a run first offense over Shapen. I just don't want to be a predictable run only offense. Hard to win consistently with that kind of offense in today's game.

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We just literally had our best season of all time with that kind of offense.

If you can run the football consistently and play defense, you'll be in every game you play. You may not win every game, but you'll have a chance to win at the end.

Nothing in football travels better or is more consistent than a physical run game and a dominant defense.

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I want to win every game. And I believe in running the ball. Got to be able to complete passes for both.

JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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Rewatch the Sugar Bowl. One of the worst passing performances I have ever seen. I think we should have just gone wild cat.

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It wasn't a good passing performance but wins are what counts. Gerry is the only Bear QB to win a New Years day bowl since whomever quarterbacked the 1957 Sugar Bowl
I'll take the W every time

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Flawed argument. Defense and Monoray Baldwin and Abram Smith/Ebner and Oline won that game despite Bohannon. I don't recall a worse qb performance.

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Got it.
Worst QB performance in a new years day bowl game that resulted in a victory. You know who had a worse performance. The ole miss QB

Does Gerry get credit for contributing to the teams regular season success and making it to the Sugar Bowl

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Yes. Love Gerry Bohannon as a player and runner. He was a huge part of our success last year. He just couldn't make a semi difficult throw with any consistency. Frankly I would rather have him direct a run first offense over Shapen. I just don't want to be a predictable run only offense. Hard to win consistently with that kind of offense in today's game.

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I'm not sure I agree. They can't score without the ball.

Todays game has big offensive statistics but 13-10 and 61-58 are still winning scores. What we did last year was extend possessions which improved our defense and our O line.

In October, it could be different, but last week? I'd have preferred Bohannon behind center on 3rd and 2.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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JP1037 said:

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robby44 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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Rewatch the Sugar Bowl. One of the worst passing performances I have ever seen. I think we should have just gone wild cat.

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It wasn't a good passing performance but wins are what counts. Gerry is the only Bear QB to win a New Years day bowl since whomever quarterbacked the 1957 Sugar Bowl
I'll take the W every time

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Flawed argument. Defense and Monoray Baldwin and Abram Smith/Ebner and Oline won that game despite Bohannon. I don't recall a worse qb performance.

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Got it.
Worst QB performance in a new years day bowl game that resulted in a victory. You know who had a worse performance. The ole miss QB

Does Gerry get credit for contributing to the teams regular season success and making it to the Sugar Bowl

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Yes. Love Gerry Bohannon as a player and runner. He was a huge part of our success last year. He just couldn't make a semi difficult throw with any consistency. Frankly I would rather have him direct a run first offense over Shapen. I just don't want to be a predictable run only offense. Hard to win consistently with that kind of offense in today's game.

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I'm not sure I agree. They can't score without the ball.

Todays game has big offensive statistics but 13-10 and 61-58 are still winning scores. What we did last year was extend possessions which improved our defense and our O line.

In October, it could be different, but last week? I'd have preferred Bohannon behind center on 3rd and 2.

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I think you pretty much nailed it. There may come a time when Shapen's passing ability raises the ceiling of our offense/team. But I think a fair case can be made that he lowered our floor on Saturday.

Say what you want about Gerry, but the dude was absolutely unflappable. He was literally unimpacted by failure. Like Charlie before him, Gerry could play poorly for three and a half quarters and still deliver when you absolutely needed him to win a key game.

Shapen still has to prove that he has that same quality. I like Blake and think he has a lot of potential. I think he'll be a good quarterback. But Gerry did things in the run game and the red zone that Shapen can't. And if our offense isn't going to accentuate the things Blake gives us that Gerry couldn't, we're likely going to be worse in the long run.

I wonder how much all the new portal rules weighed in Aranda's decision.

I'm curious if his read on the situation was which ever one I don't pick is gonna leave. So he may have seen Gerry as the more plug n play ready to go sure thing….but saw Shapen with the higher ceiling long term if he felt one of them was going to be leaving.

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I wonder how much all the new portal rules weighed in Aranda's decision.

I'm curious if his read on the situation was which ever one I don't pick is gonna leave. So he may have seen Gerry as the more plug n play ready to go sure thing….but saw Shapen with the higher ceiling long term if he felt one of them was going to be leaving.

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I feel like that weighed heavily into the decision.

BaylorGrad09 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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I wonder how much all the new portal rules weighed in Aranda's decision.

I'm curious if his read on the situation was which ever one I don't pick is gonna leave. So he may have seen Gerry as the more plug n play ready to go sure thing….but saw Shapen with the higher ceiling long term if he felt one of them was going to be leaving.

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I feel like that weighed heavily into the decision.

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Agreed. I think the loser of that battle was transferring, regardless of who it was. That makes these decisions really difficult, but that's the new reality in the transfer portal era. You're going to have a really hard time keeping backups who could start elsewhere.

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I get it. We sucked last night and play calling was a huge problem. But be serious, Shapen is a much better passer than Gerry. For whatever reason last night he as just as conservative as Gerry was all season. Pressure is a little different when you are the guy instead of the backup. All those damn handoffs don't help guys establish a rhythm. I said it before the game. We don't have a standout WR. I like Monterrey but he is not a number one at that size. I see the high stars on the recruiting list but none of those guys have that dog in them

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Doesn't really matter if he is a better passer if you don't pass.

BaylorGrad09 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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robby44 said:

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I keep hearing that Shapen is a better passer

How much better is he really?

Was it wise to replace a winning QB with a guy who is not the next RG3 or Bryce Petty

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I definitely think it would have been better to keep both. GB should have been the first game starter, with Shapen as the backup, with a chance to win the job during the season. Shapen seems to have suffered from lack of experience, despite having won a couple of big games.

The late switch before the season seemed like poor timing to me. If the thought Shapen was clearly better he should have been named the starter, or in the lead, much earlier.

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Shapen was named the starter last spring well before anyone actually expected the change. In fact, Coach Aranda was both complimented and criticized for doing it so early. On one hand it gave Gerry Bohanon plenty of time to transfer once the staff determined he wasn't going to start. On the other, he transferred and took away the option to put him back into the lineup because he found out so early.

The coaching staff thought at the time (and likely still do) that long term (2+ years), Shapen gives Baylor a higher ceiling than Bohanon did, so they decided to move forward with some growing pains. We will never truly know the right decision since we can't go back and replay it the other direction, but it's the way the team is moving forward now.

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Yeah, we have the All American O line now. Not 2 years later

If the first 2 games are any indication we don't have an all American o line, not even close.

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If the first 2 games are any indication we don't have an all American o line, not even close.

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Yup. Should be