Poor footwork leads to inaccurate throws. This is akin to a pitcher having his frontside fly open before the release; it causes the ball to sail. Your momentum must be going towards the target. pic.twitter.com/wdeJbYnqCj

— Travis Roeder (@Travis_Roeder) November 13, 2022

He was supposed to be the better passer and had huge upside

I think this is my problem when I throw a football

Could it be the QB coaching isn't up to par?

This is dumb. Clearly he was looking left and couldn't find a receiver and then felt like he had to be quick to get the ball back over the middle. So he gave it a quick flick. Quarterbacks make throws all the time that are off balance if the situation calls for it.

Aranda on the QB situation: "Full confidence" in Blake Shapen as the starter. Says he pressed, especially under pressure, which was evident in his footwork. "He'd done a lot for us this year." Says he gives Baylor its best chance to be "the best that we can be."

— Jackson Posey ✞ (@ByJacksonPosey) November 14, 2022

PartyBear said:

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Could it be the QB coaching isn't up to par?

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No one is coached to throw off their back foot, leaning away from the receiver.

Blake has the same problem Quinn Ewers has. He's a shortstop used to making off-platform throws from weird arm angles and it has impacted his mechanics on the football field. Watch both. Their throwing mechanics are ridiculously inconsistent.

I meant that perhaps he isn't being trained away from this habit sufficiently. Not that he is being trained to do it. Also I assume Aranda was advised by both the QB coach and the OC as to who should be the starter.

Big_Pumpin said:

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This is dumb. Clearly he was looking left and couldn't find a receiver and then felt like he had to be quick to get the ball back over the middle. So he gave it a quick flick. Quarterbacks make throws all the time that are off balance if the situation calls for it.

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He had plenty of time to set his feet and make a good, accurate throw. He just didn't do it. He threw off his back foot unnecessarily because he felt pressure that wasn't there -- a growing problem for him.

PartyBear said:

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I meant that perhaps he isn't being trained away from this habit sufficiently. Not that he is being trained to do it.

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It's really hard to coach a lifetime of bad habits out of a player.

When bullets are flying, a player will often revert back to what's most comfortable.

So if he has bad habits that can't be broken, why did they advise Aranda he should be the starter over Bohanon? I assume here that Aranda relied on the QB coach and OC's assessment on the matter. Aranda doesn't seem like the type to not listen to their opinion and go rogue in another direction.

PartyBear said:

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I meant that perhaps he isn't being trained away from this habit sufficiently. Not that he is being trained to do it. Also I assume Aranda was advised by both the QB coach and the OC as to who should be the starter.

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Pros often do this stuff in pressure too. The player needs to own the coaching first and foremost, and planting feet is like one of the most coached items in any QB room.

The troubling piece about Shapen's development is that he hasn't shown a consistent improvement in controlling his body, specifically his lower body, under pressure. The game is just not slowing down for him right now, and his YPC shows you he's become addicted to check-downs. He doesn't stick in a shrinking pocket long enough to make downfield throws. Some of that is our WR group being underwhelming, but some of it is Shapen just lacking decision-making confidence.

When the pocket starts constricting and his first read or two are busts, you can just feel the panic in his body language and he starts tap dancing. It's frustrating because he has the arm to put the ball anywhere he wants it, but it seems like he can't settle his mind and slow the mechanism.

Shapen had a private qb coach in the off-season that I believe has worked with players like mahomes. You can only coach up somebody so much. They eventually hit their ceiling and you're forced to say "what you see is what you get"

He looked better last year with better players around him, but teams also didn't have film on on him. They do now, and you're seeing savvy opponents scheme to his weaknesses

I remember Aranda saying CB "gives us the best chance to win" in 2020.

We've been in every game except for one...and that was just poor play on both sides of the ball. We caught a lot of breaks last year in a magical season....Let's slow the roll....the sky is not falling...we are not ATM (dumpster fire)....we have a solid recruiting class coming next year...and a group of guys who will return better.....

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Big_Pumpin said:

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This is dumb. Clearly he was looking left and couldn't find a receiver and then felt like he had to be quick to get the ball back over the middle. So he gave it a quick flick. Quarterbacks make throws all the time that are off balance if the situation calls for it.

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He had plenty of time to set his feet and make a good, accurate throw. He just didn't do it. He threw off his back foot unnecessarily because he felt pressure that wasn't there -- a growing problem for him.

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False. The linebacker is clearly watching Shapen's eyes and where is body is lined up. Shapen is on his 3rd option. He knows the window is small and tired to get it in there. Using his body to hold the line backer where he was. If Shapen rotates his body and steps towards the receiver, the line backer shifts right into an easy coverage of the receiver. Also the passing lane that wasn't even really there closes even more. It was a bad pass, no doubt. I stand by my statement that this is a dumb example of bad footwork.

Big_Pumpin said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Big_Pumpin said:

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This is dumb. Clearly he was looking left and couldn't find a receiver and then felt like he had to be quick to get the ball back over the middle. So he gave it a quick flick. Quarterbacks make throws all the time that are off balance if the situation calls for it.

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He had plenty of time to set his feet and make a good, accurate throw. He just didn't do it. He threw off his back foot unnecessarily because he felt pressure that wasn't there -- a growing problem for him.

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False. The linebacker is clearly watching Shapen's eyes and where is body is lined up. Shapen is on his 3rd option. He knows the window is small and tired to get it in there. Using his body to hold the line backer where he was. If Shapen rotates his body and steps towards the receiver, the line backer shifts right into an easy coverage of the receiver. Also the passing lane that wasn't even really there closes even more. It was a bad pass, no doubt. I stand by my statement that this is a dumb example of bad footwork.

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The linebacker is inside the receiver who sat exactly where he should have in the zone. A throw to Cameron's left hip is an easy first-down completion. But instead of setting his feet and stepping into the throw, Shapen flung the ball off his back foot, and it sailed high as a result.

That's an easy on-platform throw for any college quarterback. Shapen chose to throw it off-platform when he had plenty of time to turn his hips/set his feet and fire it into the window. He may have taken a hit by doing it right. But it damn sure wouldn't have been an interception.

PartyBear said:

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I meant that perhaps he isn't being trained away from this habit sufficiently. Not that he is being trained to do it. Also I assume Aranda was advised by both the QB coach and the OC as to who should be the starter.

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Well, at least in agreement. You would have needed to be there to make the definitive statement that they advised him.

bear2be2 said:

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Big_Pumpin said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Big_Pumpin said:

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This is dumb. Clearly he was looking left and couldn't find a receiver and then felt like he had to be quick to get the ball back over the middle. So he gave it a quick flick. Quarterbacks make throws all the time that are off balance if the situation calls for it.

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He had plenty of time to set his feet and make a good, accurate throw. He just didn't do it. He threw off his back foot unnecessarily because he felt pressure that wasn't there -- a growing problem for him.

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False. The linebacker is clearly watching Shapen's eyes and where is body is lined up. Shapen is on his 3rd option. He knows the window is small and tired to get it in there. Using his body to hold the line backer where he was. If Shapen rotates his body and steps towards the receiver, the line backer shifts right into an easy coverage of the receiver. Also the passing lane that wasn't even really there closes even more. It was a bad pass, no doubt. I stand by my statement that this is a dumb example of bad footwork.

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The linebacker is inside the receiver who sat exactly where he should have in the zone. A throw to Cameron's left hip is an easy first-down completion. But instead of setting his feet and stepping into the throw, Shapen flung the ball off his back foot, and it sailed high as a result.

That's an easy on-platform throw for any college quarterback. Shapen chose to throw it off-platform when he had plenty of time to turn his hips/set his feet and fire it into the window. He may have taken a hit by doing it right. But it damn sure wouldn't have been an interception.

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False again. No way he can get that ball to the left hip. There are 6'6" giants in front of him. Only possible way to complete that was to go with a quick no look pass.

I played both ways on my 8th grade B team. Quarter Back and Safety. We went undefeated. I think I know what I'm talking about.

Big_Pumpin said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Big_Pumpin said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Big_Pumpin said:

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This is dumb. Clearly he was looking left and couldn't find a receiver and then felt like he had to be quick to get the ball back over the middle. So he gave it a quick flick. Quarterbacks make throws all the time that are off balance if the situation calls for it.

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He had plenty of time to set his feet and make a good, accurate throw. He just didn't do it. He threw off his back foot unnecessarily because he felt pressure that wasn't there -- a growing problem for him.

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False. The linebacker is clearly watching Shapen's eyes and where is body is lined up. Shapen is on his 3rd option. He knows the window is small and tired to get it in there. Using his body to hold the line backer where he was. If Shapen rotates his body and steps towards the receiver, the line backer shifts right into an easy coverage of the receiver. Also the passing lane that wasn't even really there closes even more. It was a bad pass, no doubt. I stand by my statement that this is a dumb example of bad footwork.

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The linebacker is inside the receiver who sat exactly where he should have in the zone. A throw to Cameron's left hip is an easy first-down completion. But instead of setting his feet and stepping into the throw, Shapen flung the ball off his back foot, and it sailed high as a result.

That's an easy on-platform throw for any college quarterback. Shapen chose to throw it off-platform when he had plenty of time to turn his hips/set his feet and fire it into the window. He may have taken a hit by doing it right. But it damn sure wouldn't have been an interception.

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False again. No way he can get that ball to the left hip. There are 6'6" giants in front of him. Only possible way to complete that was to go with a quick no look pass.

I played both ways on my 8th grade B team. Quarter Back and Safety. We went undefeated. I think I know what I'm talking about.

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No quarterback should ever go with a quick, no-look pass. That's an interception waiting to happen. A sack is preferable.

And if Blake had taken one step around the edge rusher, who was giving away contain, he could have gone wherever the hell he wanted with the ball without anyone in his face. Instead, he closed his own passing window by sliding down.

There was still plenty of room to get that ball on Cameron's left shoulder pad. The pass flew four feet high of his linemen's heads.

BUBBFAN said:

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PartyBear said:

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I meant that perhaps he isn't being trained away from this habit sufficiently. Not that he is being trained to do it. Also I assume Aranda was advised by both the QB coach and the OC as to who should be the starter.

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Well, at least in agreement. You would have needed to be there to make the definitive statement that they advised him.

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I said I assumed that and explained later why that is my assumption. I was not making a definitive statement like I was there.

ScottS said:

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I think this is my problem when I throw a football

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Try the Texas Two Step. Unless you have two left feet. Then all bets are off.

His feet are messed up. He is struggling with the rest of the team and trying to do whatever he can to win. It isn't his feet that are causing this although I am sure he understands and is working on it. He just needs to calm down on the field and live for another day.

ScottS said:

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I think this is my problem when I throw a football

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Everyone:
aggy: I just don't understand why our QBs aren't progressing? pic.twitter.com/oKxbfUhjJD

— H-Town HookEm 49-⭕️🚨🤡 (@HTownHookem) November 6, 2022

Here you go Scott. You can work on it like this.

Overreacting to pressure usually comes from receiving a good deal of pressure. The o-line has been very inconsistent in pass pro and that hasn't helped a young QB with young receivers who struggle getting separation. Tempo can sometimes establish a rhythm. I'd like to see it deployed on some more drives. Build some confidence. Opening with a deep shot to start the game with an easy check down. I don't feel like we've done a good enough job of scheming receivers open. Maybe Grimes has and they aren't getting open but I'd like to see more effort at some crossing routes and employ jet motions more. We sent Sims out wide a lot for motion but it wasn't effective. I want Baldwin, Holmes, Nabors whoever is fast in motion because it'll make an easier read of man or zone coverage. Plus they have to be accounted for on potentially receiving a sweep. More misdirection and a couple designed QB runs. Whenever a QB was playing hesitant Briles would call a designed run for them to get hit and settle down. Force the defense to respect it and get the QB alert.

Blame game:
1/4 o-line
1/4 receivers
1/4 QB
1/4 coaching

Where has Holmes been? Is he hurt again?

1st, Receivers-Tightend only experience returning. Fleeks move for some reason, Holmes a none factor last year so what's the problem. There's been 10 games with little improvement outside Holmes. Is it coaching or lack of talent. Same coaches, Talent to me. 2nd, OLine- Great run blockers not so good pass blockers. Most shots deep has been off play action. Reason not enough time to develope because of opponent pass rush/ our lack of protection and separation failure. So ask yourself, what's different with Shapen. A Heisman performance in the Championship game. I knew that wasn't going to be the norm. Shapen is not perfect. He's had his flaws but there's a lot of numbers to call out outside him. Like parcels said you are what your record says you are. There's a lot going wrong around Shapen. I'm just wondering how much the last head shot got to him mentally. They definitely got to Brewer.

This is also true for good footwork.

Go to a practice and, if you know anything about the game, you'll realize your statement isn't accurate.