John Hawk said:

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If TCU loses to Michigan, they will have finished 12-2 with no Conference Championship and no Bowl win. Is that still better than BUs 12-2 record last year including the Conference Championship and Sugar Bowl win?

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Nope. The numbers are the same & that's all.

Johnny Bear said:

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Don't like TCU any more than anybody else on this board, but they earned a CFP spot and the B12 very much needs to go out and win a CFP game. Hope they at least beat Michigan.

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OU has been in the playoffs more than once but never got past the semis.

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Mortdawg1312 said:

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I think the committee intentionally put TCU 3 to avoid the humiliation of a Georgia beat down, it would look too much like Cincy 2021.

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No it was to avoid osu vs mich rematch from the other night

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TCU has more wins over ranked teams.

The Second Season is always unpredictable.

historian said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Don't like TCU any more than anybody else on this board, but they earned a CFP spot and the B12 very much needs to go out and win a CFP game. Hope they at least beat Michigan.

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OU has been in the playoffs more than once but never got past the semis.

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It's good for the BIG XII perception wise to have a team other than OU or Texas make the playoffs. It would have been even better had we beaten TCU last year and made it to the playoffs also. I'm no froggie fan but the New BIG XII needs to have at least one team in the playoffs (if not more) every season from here on out.

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DAC said:

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Mortdawg1312 said:

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I think the committee intentionally put TCU 3 to avoid the humiliation of a Georgia beat down, it would look too much like Cincy 2021.

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No it was to avoid osu vs mich rematch from the other night

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TCU has more wins over ranked teams.

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This. They put TCU at #3 because doing so made sense in the context of the history of the CFP. One loss is one loss, but playing an additional game (including having one additional win overall) matters.

I know everyone here likes to crap on TCU bc F TCU but they are a good team and I think they beat Michigan. I already bet TCU +9 and I may even do a small bet on TCU moneyline. Michigan is a good team but they played nobody this year other than Ohio St at home and a slightly above average penn state. B10 is not some powerhouse conference that espn likes to act like they are.

Anyone on here saying that TCU winning against Michigan is out of their minds. Michigan has one of the best run game in the country - if not the best with a good passing game to compliment. Add a stifling defense and this game will be out of reach in the 4th quarter. We should have beaten TCU so imagine what Michigan will do with a much better ground and passing game.

Michigan is averaging 40.1 points per game with an elite running game just right behind TCU which they're averaging 40.3. also, Michigan is only giving up 13 points a game compared to TCU at 25. I am predicting a big win for Michigan as they run the ball all over TCU and keep duggan off the field.

wearegoingtowin07 said:

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Michigan is averaging 40.1 points per game with an elite running game just right behind TCU which they're averaging 40.3. also, Michigan is only giving up 13 points a game compared to TCU at 25. I am predicting a big win for Michigan as they run the ball all over TCU and keep duggan off the field.

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Yup.

And let's not make Dykes out to be some wizard. He combined two good teams to make a great team. he won't be able to do that year after year.
But he still doesn't have the trench talent.

Michigan will win.

Final will be all Big 10. Ohio State has the weapons to beat Georgia if the Dogs defense plays like it did against LSU and I think Michigan will be able to run on TCU. I'd rather see a Georgia/TCU final but I don't think it will happen.

TCU also played a much more difficult schedule. Bolstering defensive stats with wins over Hawaii, Colorado St, UConn, Rutgers, and Indiana is not impressive. TCU can win this game. Michigan has not faced a QB with Duggan's scrambling ability combined with the weapons at his disposal. If Michigan struggles getting home on Duggan and the game turns into a backyard game with him scrambling around and chucking it up to those big fast receivers TCU will win.

UGA will employ the defense they did against Tennessee and roll. UGA was caught off guard by a backup QB launching deep ball dimes. OSU also has issues with strong rushing attacks which is what UGA prefers to do offensively.

2021 Baylor had some luck, but 2019 Baylor is a MUCH better comparison to 2022 TCU

I have a weird feeling that TCU is going to get by Michigan and play Georgia for all the marbles. And then, TCU will be embarrassed on a national stage. Georgia by 30.

This potential outcome is very possible. UGA has the corners to go man vs TCU like they did to Tennessee and TCU doesn't have anyone that can cover Brock Bowers. Michigan lacks a weapon like Bowers. Two great backs but TCU has dealt with Bijan, Deuce, Donaldson, Reese, etc.

boykin_spaniel said:

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TCU also played a much more difficult schedule. Bolstering defensive stats with wins over Hawaii, Colorado St, UConn, Rutgers, and Indiana is not impressive. TCU can win this game. Michigan has not faced a QB with Duggan's scrambling ability combined with the weapons at his disposal. If Michigan struggles getting home on Duggan and the game turns into a backyard game with him scrambling around and chucking it up to those big fast receivers TCU will win.

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For sure - if the game turns into a backyard pitch and catch scenario then TCU might have a chance, but I highly doubt it. Overall, Michigan's SOS is not as difficult and they have not faced anyone like duggan. TCU does have many weapons at their disposal and IF they come out hitting on all cylinders - then they have a chance. Michigan has played good teams this year and blew them out - home against Penn State and AT Ohio State which averages more points than TCU, and has a deeper receiving core plus CJ stroud.

TCU has a chance to win this game, but to be a championship caliber team - they will need to not only put up points but also play better defense. Let's be honest here - TCU has played several games close and they're going to need more than being a second half team this time. Plus, this is a GREAT matchup for Michigan. They're a team that pounds the ball and wears teams out. Don't be surprised if this game gets out of hand.

Penn St is overrated. Their marquee win is maybe Auburn? Ohio St is a good win but Ohio St also played nobody, except Michigan and 8-4 Notre Dame, and I expect them to look like Tennessee playing Georgia. Georgia is coasting to another Natty.

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boykin_spaniel said:

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TCU also played a much more difficult schedule. Bolstering defensive stats with wins over Hawaii, Colorado St, UConn, Rutgers, and Indiana is not impressive. TCU can win this game. Michigan has not faced a QB with Duggan's scrambling ability combined with the weapons at his disposal. If Michigan struggles getting home on Duggan and the game turns into a backyard game with him scrambling around and chucking it up to those big fast receivers TCU will win.

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TCU has a chance to win this game, but to be a championship caliber team - they will need to not only put up points but also play better defense. Let's be honest here - TCU has played several games close and they're going to need more than being a second half team this time. Plus, this is a GREAT matchup for Michigan. They're a team that pounds the ball and wears teams out. Don't be surprised if this game gets out of hand.

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They are 2019 BU without a 2019 quality OU team to contend with. They also had even more breaks than 19' BU. Yes.. Kstate is very solid but don't have that next level.

They won't be able to out condition teams to wins as they did in conference play. Im convinced the S&C made a huge difference and put them over. Michigan is physical and very well conditioned and much more talented. Its definitely possible in a one game scenario. Its not like GA where they would have 0 shot.. but Michigan probably wins comfortably.

boykin_spaniel said:

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Penn St is overrated. Their marquee win is maybe Auburn? Ohio St is a good win but Ohio St also played nobody, except Michigan and 8-4 Notre Dame, and I expect them to look like Tennessee playing Georgia. Georgia is coasting to another Natty.

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Penn St and K State are on the same level.. think Penn St is slightly better. Its about who teams have played on the high end. That is most important when assessing capability at peak.

True its hard to beat solid teams week after week.. so credit to a team for that. Doesn't mean the team that accomplishes that can beat a few top level teams. Different skill set. That is the scenario as I see it. Don't even think Michigan is all that great but they are probably better than TCU .. we'll see. It wouldn't be the biggest upset ever (beating GA would have as they would have basically no chance) but it would be an upset.

Transitive property doesn't really work in college football all that much. We will find out when they play the game. Based on what I saw from both teams, TCU will be able to throw on Michigan a bit…but Michigan will run the ball down their throat. I see this being a 31-24 kind of game with TCU scoring a TD in trash time. I see Georgia kicking the **** out of everyone they play, with the exception of OSU…that one will be closer than people think. Georgia still wins it is my bet.

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Fre3dombear said:

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Tcu is going to play georgia for the national title

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Wrong. Tcu is going to get their s hit pushed in by Michigan.

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Yep. They'll end up with no big 12 championship and a playoff loss then go right back to mediocrity.

Never forget that their fans loved that we had a scandal and there's absolutely zero reason to cheer for their success.

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I certainly have no reason to cheer them. Go Big Blue

Doc Holliday said:

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Never forget that their fans loved that we had a scandal and there's absolutely zero reason to cheer for their success.

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The cry from Fort Worth in 2016 was that we should be kicked out of the Big 12 and receive the death penalty. I wish nothing but abject failure on them.

Agree. The talk about kicking Baylor out of Big 12, getting death penalty, calling our players rapists, etc went on for years.

TCU winning playoff game does not help Baylor in any way. They have worse fan base in the Big 12. Hate them.


Go Big Blue!

wearegoingtowin07 said:

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boykin_spaniel said:

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TCU also played a much more difficult schedule. Bolstering defensive stats with wins over Hawaii, Colorado St, UConn, Rutgers, and Indiana is not impressive. TCU can win this game. Michigan has not faced a QB with Duggan's scrambling ability combined with the weapons at his disposal. If Michigan struggles getting home on Duggan and the game turns into a backyard game with him scrambling around and chucking it up to those big fast receivers TCU will win.

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For sure - if the game turns into a backyard pitch and catch scenario then TCU might have a chance, but I highly doubt it. Overall, Michigan's SOS is not as difficult and they have not faced anyone like duggan. TCU does have many weapons at their disposal and IF they come out hitting on all cylinders - then they have a chance. Michigan has played good teams this year and blew them out - home against Penn State and AT Ohio State which averages more points than TCU, and has a deeper receiving core plus CJ stroud.

TCU has a chance to win this game, but to be a championship caliber team - they will need to not only put up points but also play better defense. Let's be honest here - TCU has played several games close and they're going to need more than being a second half team this time. Plus, this is a GREAT matchup for Michigan. They're a team that pounds the ball and wears teams out. Don't be surprised if this game gets out of hand.

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Michigan gonna wear out a Kaz team from the "scandal" years?!? Not a Fn chance

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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wearegoingtowin07 said:

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Michigan is averaging 40.1 points per game with an elite running game just right behind TCU which they're averaging 40.3. also, Michigan is only giving up 13 points a game compared to TCU at 25. I am predicting a big win for Michigan as they run the ball all over TCU and keep duggan off the field.

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Yup.

And let's not make Dykes out to be some wizard. He combined two good teams to make a great team. he won't be able to do that year after year.
But he still doesn't have the trench talent.

Michigan will win.

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Two good teams?

Wacoraisedbear said:

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Oh I gave him hell when Purdue lost to St. Peter's he had the nerve to call our championship fluke

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He sounds like a genius

Shocking to say but I think K-State is better than Penn St due to talent. Not as deep with the recruiting stars but Deuce, Knowles, and that edge are all NFL talents. Howard/Martinez has out played Clifford this year. Not that K-State is better than Bama but with motivation and opt outs they very well may win the Sugar Bowl.

My main point being the Big10 isn't good this year. They may make me eat crow and I'll happily post a picture. No guarantee Toad wins but if I were a betting man I'd take the points with Toad. Duggan and the skill guys around him will be a shock to Michigan. Ohio St has athletes but they haven't faced a guy like Duggan willing to collide with a linebacker for an inch and win that inch.

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DAC said:

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Mortdawg1312 said:

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I think the committee intentionally put TCU 3 to avoid the humiliation of a Georgia beat down, it would look too much like Cincy 2021.

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No it was to avoid osu vs mich rematch from the other night

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TCU has more wins over ranked teams.

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If they had put Ohio State in the No. 3 spot, it would have been a travesty. Their best win was over a Penn State team that's good but overrated, they got housed at home by Michigan and didn't have to play a championship game. The Buckeyes are lucky to be No. 4.

ONLY because there are no other 1 loss teams.

When it comes to bowl season I'm always for the Big 12 team but this year,

GO DAWGS !!!

I was reading up on the game and forgot TCU hasn't had a week off since Week 3. They played 11 straight weeks, 10 straight against B12 teams and 9 of the 11 teams in a row are going bowling at .500 or better. 5 of the 11 were road games. That's a pretty brutal stretch.

It will be interesting to see what a month off to heal and rest up will do for them. Spread is at UM -7.5 right now.

I mean this is just pitiful at this point pic.twitter.com/xob0FADJ3v

— Throw Back Frog (@ThrowBackFrog) December 5, 2022

I wonder if Duggan will win the Heisman.

Wacoraisedbear said:

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Oh I gave him hell when Purdue lost to St. Peter's he had the nerve to call our championship fluke

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Purdue or Purdon't?

This is why I want TCU to win I'm tired of finebum and people who only watch CFB when the the CFP is around the big 12 will never get respect until we win a damn playoff game if it has to be the frogs to do it then so be it.