Baylor Transfer QB

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boognish_bear
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Big_Pumpin said:

Here is a list of QBs that had a worse QBR than Shapen this year that have found a P5 team to join through the portal.

Devin Leary - 55.3 > Kentucky
Graham Mertz - 52.5 > Florida
Donovan Smith - 48.7 > Houston
Kedon Slovis - 45.9 > BYU
Jeff Sims - 43.4 > Nebraska
Phil Jurkovec - 36.1 > Pitt

I'm convinced that if Shapen played for another team some of you would be clamoring for him to come here.


This brings some added perspective. Thanks for the info.
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Big_Pumpin said:

Here is a list of QBs that had a worse QBR than Shapen this year that have found a P5 team to join through the portal.

Devin Leary - 55.3 > Kentucky
Graham Mertz - 52.5 > Florida
Donovan Smith - 48.7 > Houston
Kedon Slovis - 45.9 > BYU
Jeff Sims - 43.4 > Nebraska
Phil Jurkovec - 36.1 > Pitt

I'm convinced that if Shapen played for another team some of you would be clamoring for him to come here.


You are probably right. Our issues is we have NO backups. All the eggs are in The Shapen basket with a majority new Oline next season. That spells trouble
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Wake Forest Sam Hartman has entered the portal... likely destination is Notre Dame...

Apparently if he goes to a bleublood school he can make more from NIL than if he declared for draft and tried to make a NFL roster as a likely 4th round pick.
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John Galt said:

Married A Horn said:

boognish_bear said:

Waco1947 said:

Is Shapen going to accept competition or bolt? What about his ego?


If it's what is perceived to be an upgrade I would think he would leave


Nobody would take him. He'll stay or lose his paid education.
this is not true. plenty of schools would jump at the opportunity to take Shapen. honestly.
Our goal is to win the Big 12 and be a top 20 team.

If he leaves we are no farther from our goal than if he stays. With a decent portal qb we at least have a shot.

He might find a home somewhere on the bench because he was a 4* recruit. But it will not be anyone with a realistic shot at a top 25 ranking.
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Stefano DiMera said:

Wake Forest Sam Hartman has entered the portal... likely destination is Notre Dame...

Apparently if he goes to a bleublood school he can make more from NIL than if he declared for draft and tried to make a NFL roster as a likely 4th round pick.


That's an added twist to the QB world in the portal/NIL era. If you are not a blueblood and your QB really balls out you are then potentially in jeopardy of losing them.

Kind of like when a coach at a non-blueblood starts to really ascend.
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boognish_bear said:

Stefano DiMera said:

Wake Forest Sam Hartman has entered the portal... likely destination is Notre Dame...

Apparently if he goes to a bleublood school he can make more from NIL than if he declared for draft and tried to make a NFL roster as a likely 4th round pick.


That's an added twist to the QB world in the portal/NIL era. If you are not a blueblood and your QB really balls out you are then potentially in jeopardy of losing them.

Kind of like when a coach at a non-blueblood starts to really ascend.


Portal when combined with NIL have created a proxy farm system for blue bloods. While I like both NIL and the portal, they will have unintended negative consequences like this.

If you develop talent at a non-blue blood expect to lose 15-30% of it. Price of doing business in the new world.
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ImwithBU said:

Big_Pumpin said:

Here is a list of QBs that had a worse QBR than Shapen this year that have found a P5 team to join through the portal.

Devin Leary - 55.3 > Kentucky
Graham Mertz - 52.5 > Florida
Donovan Smith - 48.7 > Houston
Kedon Slovis - 45.9 > BYU
Jeff Sims - 43.4 > Nebraska
Phil Jurkovec - 36.1 > Pitt

I'm convinced that if Shapen played for another team some of you would be clamoring for him to come here.


You are probably right. Our issues is we have NO backups. All the eggs are in The Shapen basket with a majority new Oline next season. That spells trouble


Yep. I'd like to take a flyer on someone who wouldn't mind coming in and sitting if they had to. Maybe a lower level freshman QB or get a 2-3 star that you think might be a late bloomer. Also getting someone to challenge Shapen for the starting position and viable back-up. Don't know if that is possible this day and age.

I'm not a Briles truther but I sure miss the offense where you could seemingly plug in anyone with a pulse once it got going.
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Big_Pumpin said:

ImwithBU said:

Big_Pumpin said:

Here is a list of QBs that had a worse QBR than Shapen this year that have found a P5 team to join through the portal.

Devin Leary - 55.3 > Kentucky
Graham Mertz - 52.5 > Florida
Donovan Smith - 48.7 > Houston
Kedon Slovis - 45.9 > BYU
Jeff Sims - 43.4 > Nebraska
Phil Jurkovec - 36.1 > Pitt

I'm convinced that if Shapen played for another team some of you would be clamoring for him to come here.


You are probably right. Our issues is we have NO backups. All the eggs are in The Shapen basket with a majority new Oline next season. That spells trouble


Yep. I'd like to take a flyer on someone who wouldn't mind coming in and sitting if they had to. Maybe a lower level freshman QB or get a 2-3 star that you think might be a late bloomer. Also getting someone to challenge Shapen for the starting position and viable back-up. Don't know if that is possible this day and age.

I'm not a Briles truther but I sure miss the offense where you could seemingly plug in anyone with a pulse once it got going.
We need that type of offense again. That is not the same thing as saying we need the actual person Briles back.. Sonny has done a really good job running something similar. Duggan and that team remind me alot of Petty and the Baylor teams during his QB 1 days.
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Big_Pumpin said:

ImwithBU said:

Big_Pumpin said:

Here is a list of QBs that had a worse QBR than Shapen this year that have found a P5 team to join through the portal.

Devin Leary - 55.3 > Kentucky
Graham Mertz - 52.5 > Florida
Donovan Smith - 48.7 > Houston
Kedon Slovis - 45.9 > BYU
Jeff Sims - 43.4 > Nebraska
Phil Jurkovec - 36.1 > Pitt

I'm convinced that if Shapen played for another team some of you would be clamoring for him to come here.


You are probably right. Our issues is we have NO backups. All the eggs are in The Shapen basket with a majority new Oline next season. That spells trouble


Yep. I'd like to take a flyer on someone who wouldn't mind coming in and sitting if they had to. Maybe a lower level freshman QB or get a 2-3 star that you think might be a late bloomer. Also getting someone to challenge Shapen for the starting position and viable back-up. Don't know if that is possible this day and age.

I'm not a Briles truther but I sure miss the offense where you could seemingly plug in anyone with a pulse once it got going.
The QBs that were "plugged in" were not average QBs. All of them were better than what we have now, or even did have, Drones and Bohannon included. The biggest difference was we had elite receivers and RBs. As of the end of the season, we were not playing with elite RBs or receivers, or anything close to that.
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Big_Pumpin said:







Yep. I'd like to take a flyer on someone who wouldn't mind coming in and sitting if they had to. Maybe a lower level freshman QB or get a 2-3 star that you think might be a late bloomer. Also getting someone to challenge Shapen for the starting position and viable back-up. Don't know if that is possible this day and age.

I'm not a Briles truther but I sure miss the offense where you could seemingly plug in anyone with a pulse once it got going.
Brady Allen, In the portal from Purdue. Has one year of D1 experience, very limited in game experience tho.

Scouting report:

big high school quarterback who will have prototypical size as a college pocket passer. Varsity starter since early in his career and has a lot of game experience. Has the arm to make all the throws and has shown he can throw through wind and tough conditions without losing much velocity. Throws with good touch down the field and can drop the ball in over the top of coverage. Can also throw on the move without losing velocity. Elevated team throughout the course of his career and played well against good competition. Can throw on the run but is not as much of a running threat and has to show he can escape the rush at the Power Five level. Heavy shotgun in high school and may have to adjust to being under center more depending on college system. But a big prototype with a great arm that makes him a high end prospect and potential Sunday guy.

https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-Allen-46058154/
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blackie said:

Big_Pumpin said:

ImwithBU said:

Big_Pumpin said:

Here is a list of QBs that had a worse QBR than Shapen this year that have found a P5 team to join through the portal.

Devin Leary - 55.3 > Kentucky
Graham Mertz - 52.5 > Florida
Donovan Smith - 48.7 > Houston
Kedon Slovis - 45.9 > BYU
Jeff Sims - 43.4 > Nebraska
Phil Jurkovec - 36.1 > Pitt

I'm convinced that if Shapen played for another team some of you would be clamoring for him to come here.


You are probably right. Our issues is we have NO backups. All the eggs are in The Shapen basket with a majority new Oline next season. That spells trouble


Yep. I'd like to take a flyer on someone who wouldn't mind coming in and sitting if they had to. Maybe a lower level freshman QB or get a 2-3 star that you think might be a late bloomer. Also getting someone to challenge Shapen for the starting position and viable back-up. Don't know if that is possible this day and age.

I'm not a Briles truther but I sure miss the offense where you could seemingly plug in anyone with a pulse once it got going.
The QBs that were "plugged in" were not average QBs. All of them were better than what we have now, or even did have, Drones and Bohannon included. The biggest difference was we had elite receivers and RBs. As of the end of the season, we were not playing with elite RBs or receivers, or anything close to that.


Not sure. I think this is my point. Briles offense helped these quarterbacks look above average. Petty, Russel, Florence were all 3 star. Florence and Russel could run but not Petty. Yet they were all successful.

I think we we can all agree that Shapen has looked his best when we were in the 2-Minute. Fast, simple. no substitution with rhythm. I believe Shapen would have been just another above average quarterback in Briles' offense.
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Big_Pumpin said:

blackie said:

Big_Pumpin said:

ImwithBU said:

Big_Pumpin said:

Here is a list of QBs that had a worse QBR than Shapen this year that have found a P5 team to join through the portal.

Devin Leary - 55.3 > Kentucky
Graham Mertz - 52.5 > Florida
Donovan Smith - 48.7 > Houston
Kedon Slovis - 45.9 > BYU
Jeff Sims - 43.4 > Nebraska
Phil Jurkovec - 36.1 > Pitt

I'm convinced that if Shapen played for another team some of you would be clamoring for him to come here.


You are probably right. Our issues is we have NO backups. All the eggs are in The Shapen basket with a majority new Oline next season. That spells trouble


Yep. I'd like to take a flyer on someone who wouldn't mind coming in and sitting if they had to. Maybe a lower level freshman QB or get a 2-3 star that you think might be a late bloomer. Also getting someone to challenge Shapen for the starting position and viable back-up. Don't know if that is possible this day and age.

I'm not a Briles truther but I sure miss the offense where you could seemingly plug in anyone with a pulse once it got going.
The QBs that were "plugged in" were not average QBs. All of them were better than what we have now, or even did have, Drones and Bohannon included. The biggest difference was we had elite receivers and RBs. As of the end of the season, we were not playing with elite RBs or receivers, or anything close to that.


Not sure. I think this is my point. Briles offense helped these quarterbacks look above average. Petty, Russel, Florence were all 3 star. Florence and Russel could run but not Petty. Yet they were all successful.

I think we we can all agree that Shapen has looked his best when we were in the 2-Minute. Fast, simple. no substitution with rhythm. I believe Shapen would have been just another above average quarterback in Briles' offense.


I would agree that Shapen would have been productive in Briles' system, but comparing the current situation and transfer environment to what was happening during Briles' tenure is complicated due to the modern ability of players to transfer without losing a year of eligibility and the limited NFL development that QB/WR/RB would receive in the Briles' system (i.e. no playbook).
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The genius of the Briles offense is the simplicity of it. QB makes a pre-snap read of the defense. Safeties high defending track speed receivers then hand it off to a running back. Safeties up to help with run then attack lonely corners with track speed receivers. QB only reads half the field. No full field progressions.

Tempo incorporated to gas defense and break alignment, establish rhythm, and to keep hitting a mismatch so defense can't substitute.

The only way to really stop it is great cornerbacks and defensive line play to stop the run and pressure the QB. UGA and South Carolina both lined up against Tennessee's speedy receivers with aggressive bump and run coverage and knocked them out of sync. The d-lines bowed up against the run enough and voila, you got a beat down and a major upset.

Grimes' offense involves full progressions and sharper routes. Wide zone is a great running concept and when it gets going then play action should become easy. Motion is(or should be) utilized to help the QB read whether the defense is man or zone. Motion can also help freeze defenders. Baldwin, Nabors, or Sims cutting across the field can't be ignored by the defense. That should help get blocking numbers to the side the run is going. As seen in Sugar Bowl you can hit some jet counters for big yards if the defense doesn't account for the motion guy.
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boognish_bear said:


Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.
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JP1037 said:

boognish_bear said:


Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.
I'm definitely intrigued by what his speed would bring to the RVO. Certainly something the D would have to account for that they don't with Shapen.

Comments I've seen on twitter from Arky fans that have watched him say that he often looks panicked in the pocket on passing plays and rushes decisions. Not sure if that would improve or not with coaching and experience. He does seem to have the arm strength at least.
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He is not an upgrade as of now. Elite athlete but can't hit the broadside of a barn yet. Hope he comes. We need someone else on the roster but I'd bet on Shapen winning that battle. He could be used in some fun packages, if our staff ever decided to be so bold.

High upside as mentioned but our staff hasn't developed a QB yet so not sure how they would work with Hornsby.
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boykin_spaniel said:

He is not an upgrade as of now. Elite athlete but can't hit the broadside of a barn yet. Hope he comes. We need someone else on the roster but I'd bet on Shapen winning that battle. He could be used in some fun packages, if our staff ever decided to be so bold.

High upside as mentioned but our staff hasn't developed a QB yet so not sure how they would work with Hornsby.
One of the frustrating things this season was in back to back games in the middle of the season we saw Drones get some looks at QB in the Red Zone to throw a different look at the D. Then for whatever reason they never used him again.
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boykin_spaniel said:

He is not an upgrade as of now. Elite athlete but can't hit the broadside of a barn yet. Hope he comes. We need someone else on the roster but I'd bet on Shapen winning that battle. He could be used in some fun packages, if our staff ever decided to be so bold.

High upside as mentioned but our staff hasn't developed a QB yet so not sure how they would work with Hornsby.
I too hopes he chooses Baylor, we'll know Jan 8th unless leaked earlier.
With only 27 pass attempts last year is a fairly small sample IMHO.
Also, with the RVO, his passes should be more to the tight end, quick outs, and passes to the flat. His speed is what gives him the running advantage over Shapen.
Coupled with the new RB, and the big possession receiver should ignite the offense somewhat.
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boognish_bear said:

JP1037 said:

boognish_bear said:


Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.
I'm definitely intrigued by what his speed would bring to the RVO. Certainly something the D would have to account for that they don't with Shapen.

Comments I've seen on twitter from Arky fans that have watched him say that he often looks panicked in the pocket on passing plays and rushes decisions. Not sure if that would improve or not with coaching and experience. He does seem to have the arm strength at least.
We don't have the coaching acumen here at qb to coach him up to that level. Would be utilizing the run threat to go along side our nice set of backs to keep defenses off balance. Then combine simple reads and play action. Would have potential to be developed with a premier level offensive staff.
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Bigkahunaww said:

boykin_spaniel said:

He is not an upgrade as of now. Elite athlete but can't hit the broadside of a barn yet. Hope he comes. We need someone else on the roster but I'd bet on Shapen winning that battle. He could be used in some fun packages, if our staff ever decided to be so bold.

High upside as mentioned but our staff hasn't developed a QB yet so not sure how they would work with Hornsby.
I too hopes he chooses Baylor, we'll know Jan 8th unless leaked earlier.
With only 27 pass attempts last year is a fairly small sample IMHO.
Also, with the RVO, his passes should be more to the tight end, quick outs, and passes to the flat. His speed is what gives him the running advantage over Shapen.
Coupled with the new RB, and the big possession receiver should ignite the offense somewhat.

And is already very familiar with what looks like our best WR next year (Arkansas transfer)
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Baylor needs Hornsby


https://www.si.com/college/baylor/football/baylor-bears-transfer-portal-target-malik-hornsby-arkansas-razorbacks-potential
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Baylor Transfer Target Malik Hornsby's Potential is Sky-High

The former Arkansas Razorback would add a new dimension to the Bears' offense.

Jackson Posey3 hours ago

Baylor needs a shake-up.

Just a year removed from a Big 12 title and Sugar Bowl victory, the Bears finished with a losing record for the second time in three years. They lost four straight games to end the season.

No collapse is monocausal, and there are a number of reasons for Baylor's late-season struggles, but most prominent among them is the lack of late-season production from under center.

Shapen has the talent to play at a high level and did so in the Big 12 championship game and throughout the first half of this year. But given his late-season struggles, it would be irresponsible for the Bears to not bring in another quarterback, especially considering their critical lack of depth at the position.

Enter Malik Hornsby, KJ Jefferson's backup at Arkansas and a former four-star recruit from Fort Bend (TX) Marshall.

Hornsby has a history with Baylor. According to 247 Sports, he came "very close" to committing to the Bears in 2019, before Matt Rhule left to coach the Carolina Panthers. He eventually wound up at Arkansas, and the rest is history.

It would've been a major win for Baylor to sign Hornsby in 2020. At the time, he was the eighth-ranked dual-quarterback in the 247 Sports Composite, just above Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson and Georgia Tech (now Nebraska) quarterback Jeff Sims. But signing him in 2023 would be just as significant.

Even in limited playing time, Hornsby has put his elite athleticism on display in Fayetteville. He's always been fast, running a 10.88 100-meter and 22.39 200-meter as a junior in high school, and he's only gotten faster. Even with an established starter at quarterback, Sam Pittman and the Razorbacks wanted to get his speed on the field so they experimented with him at wide receiver.

"Actually good to be able to get him in there for his speed," running back Raheim Sanders told the media. "He's a good quarterback, but I feel like you can put him at any position, and he can execute it just with his speed and IQ of the game."

In 15 games at Arkansas, Hornsby completed 18 of 39 passes for 314 yards, one touchdown, and two interceptions. He also ran 57 times for 307 yards and a touchdown and caught two passes for eight yards.

A major factor for Baylor's offensive struggles this season was the presence of a non-rushing threat at quarterback. Last season, Gerry Bohanon rushed for 323 yards and nine touchdowns; Shapen followed that up by rushing for 96 yards and two touchdowns, both in blowout victories (Albany and Texas State). Football is moving towards a dual-threat era, and Hornsby would immediately become the most dynamic quarterback in the Big 12.

In a recent Instagram Live, he announced his top three schools: UNLV, Baylor, and Nebraska. UNLV isn't in the Power Five, but the Rebels hired former Arkansas defensive coordinator Barry Odom to be its head coach earlier this month. Nebraska is captained by Rhule, who has a pre-existing relationship with Hornsby, but Sims committed to the Huskers last week. And then there are the Bears.

Hornsby, who has three years of eligibility remaining, would be the highest-ranked Baylor quarterback since Jarrett Stidham. And he could pose significant problems for opposing defenses, which have already struggled to contain Jeff Grimes' complex rushing scheme.

There are certainly quarterbacks in the portal who are more proven at the college level Virginia's Brennan Armstrong, Boise State's Hank Bachmeier but Hornsby has the highest ceiling of any transfer quarterback this side of Grayson McCall.

He's raw as a passer, but Hornsby the potential to become one of the most electric signal-callers in the country and would be a massive addition for a Baylor team desperate to find some juice.
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Quinton said:

boognish_bear said:

JP1037 said:

boognish_bear said:


Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.
I'm definitely intrigued by what his speed would bring to the RVO. Certainly something the D would have to account for that they don't with Shapen.

Comments I've seen on twitter from Arky fans that have watched him say that he often looks panicked in the pocket on passing plays and rushes decisions. Not sure if that would improve or not with coaching and experience. He does seem to have the arm strength at least.
We don't have the coaching acumen here at qb to coach him up to that level. Would be utilizing the run threat to go along side our nice set of backs to keep defenses off balance. Then combine simple reads and play action. Would have potential to be developed with a premier level offensive staff.
Then I would think that Baylor should UPGRADE the QB coaching situation.
We can't rely on a player already having all the tools to compete.
And the way the portal is going, it's not looking good.
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It's been a crappy month and a half for BU football with the latest sour note being Novo flipping to Oregon.

I'm really hoping we can find a QB to be excited about and same with DC. We need some wins in the next couple of weeks.
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Hope he's not seriously hurt

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JP1037 said:

boognish_bear said:


Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.
Bohanon completed 62.9 percent of his passes in his one season as a starter for us. Hornsby has a sub-50 career completion percentage.

The Gerry disrespect on this site is really strange.
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Great post….but remember, on here, it's a 1 man gang….

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My guess/gut tells me it will be Hornsby. We already have an Arkansas receiver from the portal and he was close to signing with Baylor out of High School.
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I'm all for a mobile quarterback. In college the great equalizer is a qb that can move, it keeps teams that have more talent on their toes. If he can complete like 55% of his passes he'll be fine.
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Bring him in and tell Shawn Bell to earn his paycheck coaching him up. If he can't, it will be yet another four-star quarterback that washed out here...
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Before you get too excited about Malik's ability to run.

"Track speed is not football speed," sportscaster Mike Irwin said on "Ask Mike." "What I've seen from him all along is a guy that doesn't cut well. He doesn't cut sharply," he added, referring to how Hornsby's cuts on take more time to execute because they appear curved instead of at sharp angles.

"He's not the runner that everybody thought he was," Irwin added. "Every once in a while, he'll get into a situation where he's got an open, straight line or a little bit of a curve, and he'll take off and get you 10 or 15 yards, but he doesn't cut that well."


https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/malik-hornsby-trainer-mince-words-nebraska-football-target/
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Big_Pumpin said:

Before you get too excited about Malik's ability to run.

"Track speed is not football speed," sportscaster Mike Irwin said on "Ask Mike." "What I've seen from him all along is a guy that doesn't cut well. He doesn't cut sharply," he added, referring to how Hornsby's cuts on take more time to execute because they appear curved instead of at sharp angles.

"He's not the runner that everybody thought he was," Irwin added. "Every once in a while, he'll get into a situation where he's got an open, straight line or a little bit of a curve, and he'll take off and get you 10 or 15 yards, but he doesn't cut that well."


https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/malik-hornsby-trainer-mince-words-nebraska-football-target/



yeah, to me he seems like a potential NFL safety trying to play quarterback kind of like that dude we recruited from Permian a few years ago. At the very least, I am intrigued of his potential as a gadget player.
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Big_Pumpin said:

Before you get too excited about Malik's ability to run.

"Track speed is not football speed," sportscaster Mike Irwin said on "Ask Mike." "What I've seen from him all along is a guy that doesn't cut well. He doesn't cut sharply," he added, referring to how Hornsby's cuts on take more time to execute because they appear curved instead of at sharp angles.

"He's not the runner that everybody thought he was," Irwin added. "Every once in a while, he'll get into a situation where he's got an open, straight line or a little bit of a curve, and he'll take off and get you 10 or 15 yards, but he doesn't cut that well."


https://www.bestofarkansassports.com/malik-hornsby-trainer-mince-words-nebraska-football-target/

Good read on the article. Long read,but good.

Seems like he didn't get a lot of the training necessary from Arkansas coaches, which could be a problem if Shawn Bell is to tutor him.
Kid has a great work ethic, so I hope it works out for him wherever he ends up.
If the training is really that important to him, then I see him going to UNLV.
 
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