It will be easier for him to "out athlete" defenses in the mountain west.

We did sign a great class.

Try to remember that as you all wallow in self pity and shat all over our football staff publicly.

Recruits read these boards believe it or not….and all of this backseat driving by fantasy football gurus isn't helpful to our efforts to land anyone.

Golden Helmet said:

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We did sign a great class.

Try to remember that as you all wallow in self pity and shat all over our football staff publicly.

Recruits read these boards believe it or not….and all of this backseat driving by fantasy football gurus isn't helpful to our efforts to land anyone.

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I'll work on spreading more positivity on these boards like you do with your constant positive posts about our team and staff

Golden Helmet said:
Unlike you I don't need to be right….if you want to blame anyone for losing a QB at the last minute….go talk to old "soft closer" Aranda for recruitment of a low character kid from the start….

Golden Helmet said:

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We did sign a great class.

Try to remember that as you all wallow in self pity and shat all over our football staff publicly.

Recruits read these boards believe it or not….and all of this backseat driving by fantasy football gurus isn't helpful to our efforts to land anyone.

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Good lord! How dare we discuss the good and bad of Baylor football on a Baylor football forum

Soft closer is a fact and not open for debate….he's admitted that.

The real content of that post was for the last minute defector.

Recruits read this stuff…

That's all I'm saying….it makes an impact.

Carry on as you like…but just know you have an impact on outcomes.

Kind of like attendance at games when recruits are lined up on the field.

Golden Helmet said:

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Soft closer is a fact and not open for debate….he's admitted that.

The real content of that post was for the last minute defector.

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Where did Aranda admit he was a "soft closer"? How is you being critical of the HC not "shatting" on the staff?

Do you not think the team and staff would agree the last 6 weeks have not been great?

I do not.

Lots of good has happened and is in the works….most of which the PlayStation Football experts know nothing about.

I listen to and read what he says about how he deals with a kid that's waffling on commitment.

He doesn't press or hard sell…taking visits after committing is OK in his book….he encourages it if they are having doubts.

Sometimes stripping line can work…going negative etc…

Not sure if this is the best way….hard for me to say unless I'm in the arena dealing with a person 1 on 1.

But, it's def not a hard sell.

Cove Dawg said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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We did sign a great class.

Try to remember that as you all wallow in self pity and shat all over our football staff publicly.

Recruits read these boards believe it or not….and all of this backseat driving by fantasy football gurus isn't helpful to our efforts to land anyone.

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Good lord! How dare we discuss the good and bad of Baylor football on a Baylor football forum

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Put golden helmet on ignore. The dude is clearly just here to take shots at people. one of these typical boomers that can't disagree with someone without immediately insulting them.

Golden Helmet said:

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We did sign a great class.

Try to remember that as you all wallow in self pity and shat all over our football staff publicly.

Recruits read these boards believe it or not….and all of this backseat driving by fantasy football gurus isn't helpful to our efforts to land anyone.

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Fantasy football gurus is right. If one is going to be a guru or make a declaration on this board then bass your opinion on at least modicum of fact.

Cancel culture is alive and well.

Mr. helmet, I see that you've responded to me, but unfortunately I have you on ignore. I'm sure that whatever you had to say was kind and befitting of someone your age though

Golden Helmet said:

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Cancel culture is alive and well.

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lmao in your head yup

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Cove Dawg said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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We did sign a great class.

Try to remember that as you all wallow in self pity and shat all over our football staff publicly.

Recruits read these boards believe it or not….and all of this backseat driving by fantasy football gurus isn't helpful to our efforts to land anyone.

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Good lord! How dare we discuss the good and bad of Baylor football on a Baylor football forum

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Put golden helmet on ignore. The dude is clearly just here to take shots at people. one of these typical boomers that can't disagree with someone without immediately insulting them.

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Thank you, I forgot about the ignore feature. I thought he was a ******** from another team here to prove he is an idiot.

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Golden Helmet said:

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Cancel culture is alive and well.

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lmao in your head yup

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"I insulted someone on the Internet because they disagreed with me about football, and they called me out. Those darn liberals is trying to cancel me!" You can tell this dude is like 60 years old but he acts like a teenage girl.

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I do not.

Lots of good has happened and is in the works….most of which the PlayStation Football experts know nothing about.

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These sound a lot like the "internal improvements" touted during the Kevin Steele years.

So much deflection by so many…

I know none of you believe in the impact your comments can have on recruitment…good or bad.

Maybe consider taking a break until we sign a QB on the dotted line?

You guys can do it.

Golden Helmet said:

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So much deflection by so many…

I know none of you believe in the impact your comments can have on recruitment…good or bad.

Maybe consider taking a break until we sign a QB on the dotted line?

You guys can do it.

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How about the impact your words can have on current players?


Golden Helmet: "Jackasses don't run at the Kentucky Derby for a reason.

Shapen is a baseball player. That's the conclusion I've come to over the course of the season. He also had a shatbag wide receiver group….

Drones could only read 1 side of the field…same for GB….they lacked the mental bandwidth to do more."

You believe recruits reading that would turn away from BU?

If you had a players mentality….which it seems you don't….you'd view those absolute facts as an opportunity to play early and often.

The impact, if any on those players would be to work harder to change the narrative around them they've built….force them to do something different…on another level….another level of commitment they've not achieved yet.

I'd they can't do that…they need to leave and open up a spot for another kid out of HS that can get the job done.

Golden Helmet said:

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You believe recruits reading that would turn away from BU?

If you had a players mentality….which it seems you don't….you'd view those absolute facts as an opportunity to play early and often.

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So you are helping to attract recruits to our program by running down our current players and questioning their intelligence?

Clever plan you have come up with there. You are on that next level.

Got it…you need to be right.

If you can't understand or acknowledge what I just said…you can't be helped.

Golden Helmet said:

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Got it…you need to be right.

If you can't understand or acknowledge what I just said…you can't be helped.

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Ok....I'll get off the train here. I try to avoid these internet arguments because they just turn into a meaningless back and forth. I should have just stuck to one reply.

Sicem bears.

What a waste of electrons on this thread!

Yes….agreed on Sic Em

Golden Helmet said:

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You believe recruits reading that would turn away from BU?

If you had a players mentality….which it seems you don't….you'd view those absolute facts as an opportunity to play early and often.

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Every board has an Uncle Rico. Golden Helmet is ours.

boognish_bear said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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You believe recruits reading that would turn away from BU?

If you had a players mentality….which it seems you don't….you'd view those absolute facts as an opportunity to play early and often.

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So you are helping to attract recruits to our program by running down our current players and questioning their intelligence?

Clever plan you have come up with there. You are on that next level.

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And only questioning a certain type of player's "mental bandwidth" as well. Hmm.

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JP1037 said:

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Baylor in pursuit of Malik Hornsby shows you how far behind it is (not all its fault because of the Novosad flip) in its search for a portal QB. In the @RivalsPortal , there were 47 QBs listed. Of those, 31 have either found a new place or withdrew. There's not a lot of choices.

— SicEmSports (@SicEmSports) December 27, 2022

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Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.

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Bohanon completed 62.9 percent of his passes in his one season as a starter for us. Hornsby has a sub-50 career completion percentage.

The Gerry disrespect on this site is really strange.

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Gerry was too gun shy. You have to take chances in an offense like this. The number of explosive plays called are slim. Shapen main problem is he bails the pocket to quick (might be a height issue) and he enacts his inner baseball to often (cost us several key first downs and even a few games by sliding instead of taking the contact)

ImwithBU said:

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bear2be2 said:

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JP1037 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Baylor in pursuit of Malik Hornsby shows you how far behind it is (not all its fault because of the Novosad flip) in its search for a portal QB. In the @RivalsPortal , there were 47 QBs listed. Of those, 31 have either found a new place or withdrew. There's not a lot of choices.

— SicEmSports (@SicEmSports) December 27, 2022

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Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.

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Bohanon completed 62.9 percent of his passes in his one season as a starter for us. Hornsby has a sub-50 career completion percentage.

The Gerry disrespect on this site is really strange.

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Gerry was too gun shy. You have to take chances in an offense like this. The number of explosive plays called are slim. Shapen main problem is he bails the pocket to quick (might be a height issue) and he enacts his inner baseball to often (cost us several key first downs and even a few games by sliding instead of taking the contact)

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Gerry averaged more yards per attempt last year then Shapen did this year.

If you want to argue that Bohanon had flaws, be my guest. I've never argued otherwise. But basically every argument offered for Shapen over Bohanon last spring fell flat this season. Gerry was objectively better than Blake in the same offense, both as a runner and passer.

Golden Helmet said:

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We did sign a great class.

Try to remember that as you all wallow in self pity and shat all over our football staff publicly.

Recruits read these boards believe it or not….and all of this backseat driving by fantasy football gurus isn't helpful to our efforts to land anyone.

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Some of our fans, aren't fans.

Few people seem to understand how locker room morale will be affected by prima Donna players collecting big checks while others starve.

And anyone that has coached will tell you that team work ALWAYS wins.

bear2be2 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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bear2be2 said:

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JP1037 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Baylor in pursuit of Malik Hornsby shows you how far behind it is (not all its fault because of the Novosad flip) in its search for a portal QB. In the @RivalsPortal , there were 47 QBs listed. Of those, 31 have either found a new place or withdrew. There's not a lot of choices.

— SicEmSports (@SicEmSports) December 27, 2022

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Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.

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Bohanon completed 62.9 percent of his passes in his one season as a starter for us. Hornsby has a sub-50 career completion percentage.

The Gerry disrespect on this site is really strange.

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Gerry was too gun shy. You have to take chances in an offense like this. The number of explosive plays called are slim. Shapen main problem is he bails the pocket to quick (might be a height issue) and he enacts his inner baseball to often (cost us several key first downs and even a few games by sliding instead of taking the contact)

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Gerry averaged more yards per attempt last year then Shapen did this year.

If you want to argue that Bohanon had flaws, be my guest. I've never argued otherwise. But basically every argument offered for Shapen over Bohanon last spring fell flat this season. Gerry was objectively better than Blake in the same offense, both as a runner and passer.

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I think this discussion is a dead horse that can neither be beaten any further or proved one way of another. We have no way to know for certain how Bohanon would have fared without the receivers and RBs we lost. He may have played in the same offense, but not with the same supporting cast at the skill positions. Assuming he would have done better this year is just that, an assumption or hope and certainly an unprovable projection.

Shapen's performance in the championship game last year was outstanding, but that was only one data point. Had the supporting cast been the same for this year at the skill position, we may have been fine, but that can't be proven either. We also know that both are injury prone. We don't know how the season would have gone with Bohanon. We may have still ended up with Shapen.

All we have is what we got, and we cannot change that. The future is all that counts. (An obvious statement.)

blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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bear2be2 said:

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JP1037 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Baylor in pursuit of Malik Hornsby shows you how far behind it is (not all its fault because of the Novosad flip) in its search for a portal QB. In the @RivalsPortal , there were 47 QBs listed. Of those, 31 have either found a new place or withdrew. There's not a lot of choices.

— SicEmSports (@SicEmSports) December 27, 2022

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Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.

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Bohanon completed 62.9 percent of his passes in his one season as a starter for us. Hornsby has a sub-50 career completion percentage.

The Gerry disrespect on this site is really strange.

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Gerry was too gun shy. You have to take chances in an offense like this. The number of explosive plays called are slim. Shapen main problem is he bails the pocket to quick (might be a height issue) and he enacts his inner baseball to often (cost us several key first downs and even a few games by sliding instead of taking the contact)

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Gerry averaged more yards per attempt last year then Shapen did this year.

If you want to argue that Bohanon had flaws, be my guest. I've never argued otherwise. But basically every argument offered for Shapen over Bohanon last spring fell flat this season. Gerry was objectively better than Blake in the same offense, both as a runner and passer.

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I think this discussion is a dead horse that can neither be beaten any further or proved one way of another. We have no way to know for certain how Bohanon would have fared without the receivers and RBs we lost. He may have played in the same offense, but not with the same supporting cast at the skill positions. Assuming he would have done better this year is just that, an assumption or hope and certainly an unprovable projection.

Shapen's performance in the championship game last year was outstanding, but that was only one data point. Had the supporting cast been the same for this year at the skill position, we may have been fine, but that can't be proven either. We also know that both are injury prone. We don't know how the season would have gone with Bohanon. We may have still ended up with Shapen.

All we have is what we got, and we cannot change that. The future is all that counts. (An obvious statement.)

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I agree with your last paragraph, but that one decision has caused a chain reaction that has put us on the current course we're on, where it's basically Blake Shapen or bust. And, while it's certainly possible he could improve, I'm far less comfortable than our staff seems to be to bet their future and that of the program on Blake Shapen's development.

These aren't all hindsight arguments either. A few of us were making the same points back in the spring.

It is what it is, obviously. But as a fan, I'm going to call it how I see it. I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for more of what we just saw this fall.

bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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bear2be2 said:

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JP1037 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Baylor in pursuit of Malik Hornsby shows you how far behind it is (not all its fault because of the Novosad flip) in its search for a portal QB. In the @RivalsPortal , there were 47 QBs listed. Of those, 31 have either found a new place or withdrew. There's not a lot of choices.

— SicEmSports (@SicEmSports) December 27, 2022

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Malik Hornsby is a 4* QB we offered. He seems to be about as accurate as Bohannon but at least the kid can run the ball.

Time will tell, but he is probably an upgrade.

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Bohanon completed 62.9 percent of his passes in his one season as a starter for us. Hornsby has a sub-50 career completion percentage.

The Gerry disrespect on this site is really strange.

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Gerry was too gun shy. You have to take chances in an offense like this. The number of explosive plays called are slim. Shapen main problem is he bails the pocket to quick (might be a height issue) and he enacts his inner baseball to often (cost us several key first downs and even a few games by sliding instead of taking the contact)

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Gerry averaged more yards per attempt last year then Shapen did this year.

If you want to argue that Bohanon had flaws, be my guest. I've never argued otherwise. But basically every argument offered for Shapen over Bohanon last spring fell flat this season. Gerry was objectively better than Blake in the same offense, both as a runner and passer.

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I think this discussion is a dead horse that can neither be beaten any further or proved one way of another. We have no way to know for certain how Bohanon would have fared without the receivers and RBs we lost. He may have played in the same offense, but not with the same supporting cast at the skill positions. Assuming he would have done better this year is just that, an assumption or hope and certainly an unprovable projection.

Shapen's performance in the championship game last year was outstanding, but that was only one data point. Had the supporting cast been the same for this year at the skill position, we may have been fine, but that can't be proven either. We also know that both are injury prone. We don't know how the season would have gone with Bohanon. We may have still ended up with Shapen.

All we have is what we got, and we cannot change that. The future is all that counts. (An obvious statement.)

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I agree with your last paragraph, but that one decision has caused a chain reaction that has put us on the current course we're on, where it's basically Blake Shapen or bust. And, while it's certainly possible he could improve, I'm far less comfortable than our staff seems to be to bet their future and that of the program on Blake Shapen's development.

These aren't all hindsight arguments either. A few of us were making the same points back in the spring.

It is what it is, obviously. But as a fan, I'm going to call it how I see it. I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for more of what we just saw this fall.

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When you see a guy still throwing off his back foot in the 13th game of the season then something is not clicking and I'm having doubts about if he has capacity and ability to make the improvement needed to be a top level QB

Whatever that means…proud to be whatever.

Thank you.