The school gets millions and millions of donations a year is there a way to funnel a good chunk of that money into NIL funds?

It is my understanding that the school is not supposed to be directly involved with NIL.

But everybody is......massive cheating going on with no oversight.

Ok so I'd imagine we're doing it to some extent. Wish we could do more I saw we have a billion dollar donation campaign

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Ok so I'd imagine we're doing it to some extent. Wish we could do more I saw we have a billion dollar donation campaign

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It's different for private vs public schools - generally, public schools get money from the state for academics (although this is changing with cuts to funding to higher education)and that allows more alumni donations to target athletics. In contrast, private schools generally rely on donations for their academic side as well, so schools like Baylor really need donations on the academic side in order to stay competitive with peer institutions. The net of it is the it can be difficult for private schools to funnel donations into athletics because they need money for academics and cannot allow the academic side to suffer to the benefit of athletics.

Has anyone considered that maybe the universities should drop academics and just focus on athletics?

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Has anyone considered that maybe the universities should drop academics and just focus on athletics?

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That would be the Southeastern Conference

Yes, Aranda's salary would pay about 45-55 professors. Perhaps we should cut about 100 professors and pay two players about what our qb decommit is rumored to be paid. If we chose to eliminate some unnecessary departments, the provost's office and tore down 1/3 of our buildings (to save on utilities, of course), we could probably fund 4 or 5 more 4 or 5-star players. This would be an excellent investment in Baylor's future.

There was an interview earlier this year where Mack was saying we have numerous NIL programs and made it sound like we competed well in the arena. This was of course without going into specifics.

Maybe we have fallen behind or our NIL is more of something that rewards all players and we lack specific "deals" for specific players.

There is another answer to getting money for Baylor NIL:

I like the idea

Funnel as much as possible and hold off on academic renovations

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Has anyone considered that maybe the universities should drop academics and just focus on athletics?

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Just don't drop any funding for DEI programs

I'm fine if we lower academics some. You generally make the same amount of money post school regardless of what you learn in school. So funnel to football

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It is my understanding that the school is not supposed to be directly involved with NIL.

But everybody is......massive cheating going on with no oversight.

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SMU has every right to be even more pissed. They founded NIL and got Death. All aggy got for FedEx was a slap on the wrist.

If we're paying for performance, the game last night shouldn't cost us a dime.

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There was an interview earlier this year where Mack was saying we have numerous NIL programs and made it sound like we competed well in the arena. This was of course without going into specifics.

Maybe we have fallen behind or our NIL is more of something that rewards all players and we lack specific "deals" for specific players.

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I'm sure Mack was not being very honest. My sense had been and the recent goings on in recruiting seem to confirm we haven't known what we were doing or have not taken it too seriously.

The law states the schools may NOT compensate nil money

The current system is very flawed. The argument was players deserved a piece of the NCAA billions of revenue. Instead, the NCAA and colleges are happy to let alumni and fans pay the players and still keep their whole pie.

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The argument was players deserved a piece of the NCAA billions of revenue. Instead, the NCAA and colleges are happy to let alumni and fans pay the players and still keep their whole pie.

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Totally this. And call alumni out as slackers if we don't.

It would be interesting to see a fully weighted income statements on athletic departments where scholarship costs, facilities cost, coaching/administrative costs etc were fully included. And income did not include donations.

If the feds were going to regulate something tax law ought to change to make athletic operations income taxable as Unrelated business income, and all donations to athletic programs non-deductible including "scholarship" donations.

Maybe basketball and football could split off as a separate athletics entity not owned by school, sell stock to alumni, rent stadia or sell bonds to buy them. License trademarks etc from the school, and be run as minor league pro teams, paying players and without regard to Title IX.

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The law states the schools may NOT compensate nil money

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That is Texas law. That may not be the law in Oregon or Oklahoma or Alabama etc. Until Congress acts to make all of this uniform and consistent, location of the school will literally determine who can do what. In the current world that means schools in the same conference may not have the same rules.

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CTbruin said:

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The law states the schools may NOT compensate nil money

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That is Texas law. That may not be the law in Oregon or Oklahoma or Alabama etc. Until Congress acts to make all of this uniform and consistent, location of the school will literally determine who can do what. In the current world that means schools in the same conference may not have the same rules.

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https://www.nacubo.org/News/2022/10/NCAA-Clarifies-NIL-Rules-for-Division-I-Schools#:~:text=Institutional%20Involvement%20in%20NIL%20Opportunities&text=Institution%20employees%20are%20prohibited%20from,entity%20pays%20the%20advertising%20fees.

No, the schools are not supposed to directly contribute to NIL funds. With that said, there are a million ways schools can indirectly contribute to these funds. And as someone else said, publicly funded schools have an advantage here because they don't rely on donations to pay the academic side, so they can encourage donations to go to NILs instead of academics and they can request those funds from the state to make up the difference.

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The argument was players deserved a piece of the NCAA billions of revenue. Instead, the NCAA and colleges are happy to let alumni and fans pay the players and still keep their whole pie.

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Totally this. And call alumni out as slackers if we don't.

It would be interesting to see a fully weighted income statements on athletic departments where scholarship costs, facilities cost, coaching/administrative costs etc were fully included. And income did not include donations.

If the feds were going to regulate something tax law ought to change to make athletic operations income taxable as Unrelated business income, and all donations to athletic programs non-deductible including "scholarship" donations.

Maybe basketball and football could split off as a separate athletics entity not owned by school, sell stock to alumni, rent stadia or sell bonds to buy them. License trademarks etc from the school, and be run as minor league pro teams, paying players and without regard to Title IX.

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The NCAA has become a totally corrupted organization. They are not enforcing the rules they themselves created. NIL is not laid out as pay to play and that is exactly what it has become. Players are not being compensated for providing their Name Image Likeness for any business purpose when a fund is set up to pay players for nothing more than showing signing and showing up.

BREAKING: Popeyes has signed Dieunerst Collin — "The Popeyes meme kid" — to an NIL deal.

Collin is now a freshman offensive lineman at D-II Lake Erie College. pic.twitter.com/xC7UmuJLvY

— Front Office Sports (@FOS) January 11, 2023

Bearfan1998 said:

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The school gets millions and millions of donations a year is there a way to funnel a good chunk of that money into NIL funds?

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Of course. That's what they've done for years.

Schools have MASSIVE budgets
Schools pay company for services
Company pays other companies for services
Companies donate/fund athletics from the flow of money.

Nothing new other than companies using marketing vs donations

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Has anyone considered that maybe the universities should drop academics and just focus on athletics?

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You mean like TCWHO?

New movement in Baylor NIL

https://baylorbears.com/news/2023/1/9/general-baylor-athletics-announces-nil-advisory-council.aspx

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Bearfan1998 said:

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Ok so I'd imagine we're doing it to some extent. Wish we could do more I saw we have a billion dollar donation campaign

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It's different for private vs public schools - generally, public schools get money from the state for academics (although this is changing with cuts to funding to higher education)and that allows more alumni donations to target athletics. In contrast, private schools generally rely on donations for their academic side as well, so schools like Baylor really need donations on the academic side in order to stay competitive with peer institutions. The net of it is the it can be difficult for private schools to funnel donations into athletics because they need money for academics and cannot allow the academic side to suffer to the benefit of athletics.

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Need big time contributors, I remember when DiBartolo played a big role in Notre Dame in the 90s.
Back then it was about facilitites. Now, NIL to players, school not in transaction. At least that is my understanding.