cowboycwr said:

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blackie said:

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Bear2014 said:

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Sonny Dykes has said on multiple interviews that the team basically runs itself. It is hugely senior and when all those players leave this year, 2023-2024 TCU will be stuck with the Sonny Dykes of Cal. It wasnt him that got this team to the playoffs, it was the fact they were heavily seniored AND had been together for multiple years. There is something to continuity that the transfer portal just cant offer

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Not all of their seniors are transfers though so it makes me wonder what GP was doing that more or less killed that leadership

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Go back and listen to interviews (but don't waste your time doing so - he isn't worth it) of Patterson after losses and see how many times he threw his team under the bus.

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I remember him doing that often but to me it seems it would take more than just that to silence players. Like maybe he threatened their playing time, status on the team, etc. because he wanted to be the leader.

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It has got to affect your spirit.

bear2be2 said:

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JustWinBears said:

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TCU is lucky they are expanding the playoffs as they would never get in a 4 team playoff system again unless undefeated and they had no choice but to put them in over 2 loss teams.

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Beat downs can happen. TCU did beat the B10 champ in the play off to get to that game. The game did nothing to keep TCU out in the future. ND has been beat down on that stage in the CFP era and so has Bama so has Ohio State. Not as badly as TCU but TCU isn't the first to get embarrassed by losing by at least several TDs.

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ND, Bama, and OSU are all blue bloods. They can get the benefit of the doubt of an off night or not being ready or whatever.

TCU isn't a blueblood and is from a conference that is already looked down upon and thought of as a conference where no one plays defense. For them to go and suffer the biggest loss in bowl history only reinforces what outsiders already felt about the B12.

Fair or unfair....not many will give them their due for knocking of the B1G champ because of how lopsided last night was.

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And we're not talking about equals here anyway. TCU didn't just get blown out. They got blown out worse than any bowl participant in history.

Kevin Steele, the worst head coach in P5 football history, only had three losses on that level in a Baylor tenure filled with blowout losses.

This wasn't your run of the mill blowout. This was a humiliation of historic proportions.

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…and with a large national audience. It also part of the historical record: most games in a season aren't going to be talked about much years from now. Because it's the national championship, it will be.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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That's a great hypothetical. I think I take Baylor 2021 ... yeah it's awesome to make the championship, but the long-term legacy will be a historic beat down and exposure as a fraud.

TCU still has never won the Big 12. Not sure there is a "We beat Michigan" trophy.

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Only the bowl game trophy. It's a NY6 bowl & a semifinal but that's all it is. We got one of those in 2021 (NY6 bowl trophy) but we also have the Big 12 championship trophy, our 3rd.

Married A Horn said:

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Big xii representative beat the B1G champion. What should this say about the B1G?

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Good point. OSU will probably get a pass because they are blue blood.

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Quinton said:

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If it was a standard blow out I would agree.. although Notre is always reminded of their beatings every time they get high in the rankings. But this is the biggest margin of defeat in any bowl game in cfb history. Yes, that is a real stat. It was a brutal beat down that will be remembered for a long time.

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Well then all I can say is to quote Bono from "Do they Know Its Christmas". "Tonight thank God its them instead of you". I just do not see this as the devastating blow to everyone who isnt in the B10 and SEC many of you do. I bet most of you who do have this hot take this morning after will not think so after a month. They did embarrass the conference but they also primarily just embarrassed themselves.

I'm not sure what I heard was true, but I heard TCU staff and players were really enjoying themselves out there in California while UGA was all business. That is something else to consider here. Maybe the coaching staff got over confident and had too much of a lapse in getting everyone ready at the very end. Unfortunate if so.

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If true, that last part about team attitude was crucial. Those who are more focused on working hard & winning often do.

I remember that point being made in "An Ode to Joy", the documentary about Baylor 2021 MBB winning the natty. I want to say that Mark Vital (& maybe others) said something like it: the teams who took a more lackadaisical approach to the tournament left early. Baylor's players were laser focused on winning it all (partly for Scott Drew) & they put in the effort while in Indianapolis and the entire season.

Texas Christian U. Had a great year. But what did they achieve?
- no Big 12 championship
- won Fiesta bowl game
- got humiliated by GA in historical fashion

Baylor had a great season in 2021. But they achieved something.
- Big 12 Champions & that comes with the trophy & rings
- won the Sugar Bowl
- translated into a lot of momentum going into 2022.

2023 season is TBD

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TCU is lucky they are expanding the playoffs as they would never get in a 4 team playoff system again unless undefeated and they had no choice but to put them in over 2 loss teams.

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Beat downs can happen. TCU did beat the B10 champ in the play off to get to that game. The game did nothing to keep TCU out in the future. ND has been beat down on that stage in the CFP era and so has Bama so has Ohio State. Not as badly as TCU but TCU isn't the first to get embarrassed by losing by at least several TDs.

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ND, Bama, and OSU are all blue bloods. They can get the benefit of the doubt of an off night or not being ready or whatever.

TCU isn't a blueblood and is from a conference that is already looked down upon and thought of as a conference where no one plays defense. For them to go and suffer the biggest loss in bowl history only reinforces what outsiders already felt about the B12.

Fair or unfair....not many will give them their due for knocking of the B1G champ because of how lopsided last night was.

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And we're not talking about equals here anyway. TCU didn't just get blown out. They got blown out worse than any bowl participant in history.

Kevin Steele, the worst head coach in P5 football history, only had three losses on that level in a Baylor tenure filled with blowout losses.

This wasn't your run of the mill blowout. This was a humiliation of historic proportions.

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…and with a large national audience. It also part of the historical record: most games in a season aren't going to be talked about much years from now. Because it's the national championship, it will be.

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And look at what the SEC did to the Big 12 Champ (K-State vs Bama), Big 12 runner-up (TCU vs Georgia), Big 10 runner-up (Georgia vs Ohio State), and ACC Champ (Clemson vs. Tenn): 4-0 with 204-48 point differential. Perceptions aren't likely to change anytime soon.

What we did in 2021 was extra special, no question, but come on, if we beat Michigan in the CFP and then went to the CFP game, that would be incredible.

I'd take going to the CFP championship every year and losing over winning a NY6 bowl every year that no one cares about. I want to be in the best game.

Making it to the ncas championship game is a much greater achievement. Ask any college player or former Baylor athlete like myself. The loss was ugly but the journey to get there was a great run.

PartyBear said:

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JustWinBears said:

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TCU is lucky they are expanding the playoffs as they would never get in a 4 team playoff system again unless undefeated and they had no choice but to put them in over 2 loss teams.

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Beat downs can happen. TCU did beat the B10 champ in the play off to get to that game. The game did nothing to keep TCU out in the future. ND has been beat down on that stage in the CFP era and so has Bama so has Ohio State. Not as badly as TCU but TCU isn't the first to get embarrassed by losing by at least several TDs.

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Beat down? This was the biggest loss in bowl history for the national championship game. It is the game every tuned into and turned off by half-time.

Like Baylor two years ago, TCU had a blessed season. All balls bounced their way and they should have dropped 2-3 regular season games. The fact that KState beat them in the B12 championship (and was slaughtered by 'Bama) told everyone what was going to happen in the final game.

They will come back down to earth next year and suddenly people will start talking about Dykes not being a great coach again. Watch.

joseywales said:

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Making it to the ncas championship game is a much greater achievement. Ask any college player or former Baylor athlete like myself. The loss was ugly but the journey to get there was a great run.

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Not a chance. No one remembers you won the B12 regular season. This game will be brought up again and again by TV people. No one is talking about TCU's win over MI, except some Frog fans on this board.

Bakersdozen said:

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joseywales said:

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Making it to the ncas championship game is a much greater achievement. Ask any college player or former Baylor athlete like myself. The loss was ugly but the journey to get there was a great run.

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This game will be brought up again and again by TV people. No one is talking about TCU's win over MI, except some Frog fans on this board.

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Be sure to sprinkle in some color commentary: Georgia beat Vandy by 55 and TCU by 58. And Kent State, who finished 5th in the MAC West, scored 22 on Georgia. TCU scored 7.

Our 2021. We got Big 12 championship hardware and Sugar Bowl champs hardware.

TCU's biggest claim to fame is a CFP semifinal win (took 2 pick 6s and 2 UM non-scores inside the 1 to squeak it out), but then followed that up with an absolute pounding. At least they weren't B12 champs...

That said, the 2 teams are similar in some big picture ways. Our 2021 team and TCU 2022 both won a bunch of really close games against good (not great) teams in a conference that did not have a great team. Ironically, us losing to TCU let us win the Sugar Bowl over Ole Miss instead of likely being subjected to a fate similar to TCU's. I think our 2021 D was good enough to keep us from getting humiliated that badly, but our O would not have scored at that point in the season vs a Bama or a Georgia. We could barely score the last 6 quarters against OSU and Ole Miss.