The price of success when you are a smaller school in the P5 landscape

#Clemson is set to hire #TCU offensive coordinator Garrett Riley to be its next OC, after firing Brandon Streeter today, sources tell @ClowESPN and me. A deal could be finalized shortly. Riley won the Broyles Award as the nation's top assistant coach this season.

— Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) January 12, 2023

A TOTAL home run hire for Dabo Swinney.

Garrett Riley had a top 40 rushing AND passing offense in 2022 at TCU. Balanced and highly explosive.

Jeff Scott returning as an extra set of eyes is the icing on the cake.

Clemson's O just got the little blue pill. #AllIn

— Marc Ryan (@MarcRyanOnAir) January 12, 2023

Sawyer probably extra glad be picked BU over TCU now

Well that's bad for TCU and in a way bad for Riley…… so far no one from Dabo's tree has had success as a HC for some reason. But this is worse news for TCU than Monday night.

Perhaps this is a reason that TCU QB jumped the portal yesterday. Perhaps there were rumors among the players.

Thank goodness. He and to a lesser extent Kaz have been the secret sauce to their success this year

No Quarterback said:

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Thank goodness. He and to a lesser extent Kaz have been the secret sauce to their success this year

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I wish we could play offense like that again someday

I think players are more in the loop beforehand than we know.

Fre3dombear said:

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No Quarterback said:

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Thank goodness. He and to a lesser extent Kaz have been the secret sauce to their success this year

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I wish we could play offense like that again someday

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I honestly prefer our offense. When executed well, it's virtually unstoppable. Sure, it requires better execution which needs more maturity and experience, but gosh when it's on, it's on.

TCU really thrived on the big play. I'd rather us be able to control the clock and still score 30ish per game.

boognish_bear said:

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The price of success when you are a smaller school in the P5 landscape

#Clemson is set to hire #TCU offensive coordinator Garrett Riley to be its next OC, after firing Brandon Streeter today, sources tell @ClowESPN and me. A deal could be finalized shortly. Riley won the Broyles Award as the nation's top assistant coach this season.

— Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) January 12, 2023

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Welcome to the Big 12 - the coaching development ground for the B1G, SEC, and top PAC/ACC programs.

mtenery14 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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No Quarterback said:

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Thank goodness. He and to a lesser extent Kaz have been the secret sauce to their success this year

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I wish we could play offense like that again someday

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I honestly prefer our offense. When executed well, it's virtually unstoppable. Sure, it requires better execution which needs more maturity and experience, but gosh when it's on, it's on.

TCU really thrived on the big play. I'd rather us be able to control the clock and still score 30ish per game.

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It's also more complementary to success on defense. It's real bully ball when done right.

I think we have to consider that Dykes has always good offenses. I doubt this changes much. TCU had great RBs and WRs this year.

mtenery14 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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No Quarterback said:

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Thank goodness. He and to a lesser extent Kaz have been the secret sauce to their success this year

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I wish we could play offense like that again someday

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I honestly prefer our offense. When executed well, it's virtually unstoppable. Sure, it requires better execution which needs more maturity and experience, but gosh when it's on, it's on.

TCU really thrived on the big play. I'd rather us be able to control the clock and still score 30ish per game.

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I agree. Ours is much less feast/famine than we used to be, and it's way more reliable. When a big play offense blinks off, it really blinks off, and you put an immense amount of stress on your defense in the process.

I think we're on the right track scheme-wise. We don't need a Heisman runner-up QB to win the league. Just need reliable violence.

still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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I agree and I miss the days when you never wanted to miss a play when we were on O - regardless of where we were on the field - out of fear of missing a score.

It was fairly reliable when we had Abram Smith and Tyquan Thornton. This year ... not so much. We will see if Grimes and co have what it takes to make it reliable over time. This year, it was reliably unreliable.

So dude probably already knew he was gone before the championship game. You can't tell me Clemson wasn't already talking to him before then.

Clemson wins their Conference and plays in a NY6 Bowl, then fires the OC because they have higher standards. At Baylor, that gives a coach tenure. At Baylor, after bombing out at 6-6 when we were all told it could be a 10 win or a repeat Championship, not one change is made to the Offensive side, except a good coach leaves. Hmmm.

Maybe the media thought it would be a 10 win season... but no one with any common sense around here who follows the program said it would be better than 8-4...and with a couple breaks in Morgantown and against TCU that's what it would have been.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Maybe the media thought it would be a 10 win season... but no one with any common sense around here who follows the program said it would be better than 8-4...and with a couple breaks in Morgantown and against TCU that's what it would have been.

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When I was on the premium board, there were lots of people talking about 10 wins seasons and conference championship repeats

Timbear said:

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Clemson wins their Conference and plays in a NY6 Bowl, then fires the OC because they have higher standards. At Baylor, that gives a coach tenure. At Baylor, after bombing out at 6-6 when we were all told it could be a 10 win or a repeat Championship, not one change is made to the Offensive side, except a good coach leaves. Hmmm.

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I gotta say ... I'm befuddled by the attachment to the RVO at this point. That much lateral running works when you've got a good OL and an Abram Smith who can plant and sledgehammer downfield. But most running games work with that combination.

We need to make some hires that inspire QB recruits, WR recruits, indicate we can really develop a passing game, etc.

I'm all for a run-based, ground and pound offense. But I'm not seeing anything really inspiring in what we are doing right now.

No Quarterback said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Maybe the media thought it would be a 10 win season... but no one with any common sense around here who follows the program said it would be better than 8-4...and with a couple breaks in Morgantown and against TCU that's what it would have been.

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When I was on the premium board, there were lots of people talking about 10 wins seasons and conference championship repeats

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Quite a few media outlets had us as the conference favorite too

PartyBear said:

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Well that's bad for TCU and in a way bad for Riley…… so far no one from Dabo's tree has had success as a HC for some reason. But this is worse news for TCU than Monday night.

Perhaps this is a reason that TCU QB jumped the portal yesterday. Perhaps there were rumors among the players.

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It might be early to say no one.

He has had two fail and what 3 or 4 others in first or second year at a school.

When you look at many of the coaches that Saban gets credit for they had HC experience before working for him or went on to work for someone else before becoming a HC or worked for years at other schools and spent maybe a year or two under Saban.

For example:

Jimbo went on to work under Bowden.

Kiffin- Previous HC

Sarkisian- previous HC

etc.

So it may be too early to say Dabo's tree is dead/ never grew.

This is the perfect hire for Clemson bc Riley is probably the best choice to come in and coach Klubnik to make the offense go around him. I need to look at the Clemson schedule for next year and go see another game.

I actually thought he would leave TCU for G5 HC job after this season or stay at TCU another season and do it after next.

oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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Do you mean the Michigan State secondary that still holds the record for most passing yards given up in a bowl game?

mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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Did u miss the first 3 and a half quarters ?

Johnny Bear said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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I agree and I miss the days when you never wanted to miss a play when we were on O - regardless of where we were on the field - out of fear of missing a score.

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Problem was that when you went to the restroom and got back, that TD had been covered up by the opponent....often times greatly aided by some dumb penalty on pass interference or personal fouls by Bennett's defense. We shouldn't have had to score 70 points to insure a win. Against WVU that wouldn't even have been enough. If we had had a defense, we would have won the Cotton Bowl and wouldn't have lost the Fiesta Bowl.

boognish_bear said:

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No Quarterback said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Maybe the media thought it would be a 10 win season... but no one with any common sense around here who follows the program said it would be better than 8-4...and with a couple breaks in Morgantown and against TCU that's what it would have been.

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When I was on the premium board, there were lots of people talking about 10 wins seasons and conference championship repeats

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Quite a few media outlets had us as the conference favorite too

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Shows what they know. I think during the week, Smoak had a stat that said out of the teams that were ranked in the pre-season top 25, only I think 7-9 finished in the top 25.

DAC said:

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mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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Did u miss the first 3 and a half quarters ?

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What was the final score? I can't remember. That's all that matters. No how many passing yards. Not how many TD's. Not what the score was after 3 quarters. None of that matters. All that matters is the final score. It is very aggyish to talk about scores before the final whistle or meaningless stats.

blackie said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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I agree and I miss the days when you never wanted to miss a play when we were on O - regardless of where we were on the field - out of fear of missing a score.

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Problem was that when you went to the restroom and got back, that TD had been covered up by the opponent....often times greatly aided by some dumb penalty on pass interference or personal fouls by Bennett's defense. We shouldn't have had to score 70 points to insure a win. Against WVU that wouldn't even have been enough. If we had had a defense, we would have won the Cotton Bowl and wouldn't have lost the Fiesta Bowl.

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No, defense definitely wasn't our strength in those days, but your post in general is an exaggeration (and I do recall the 2012 WVU game and the two NY6 disappointments). Anyway, mostly on the strength of.CAB's offenses we won back to back conference titles, which is something no other Baylor football HC did before or has done since. And again - that offense was just a blast to watch.

It's funny that you mention the Defense under Briles who was clearly an offensive minded guy. Yet you don't mention the level of suck from this years defense by you guessed it a defensive minded head coach. Offense didn't exactly light the world on fire this year either

The key to the Briles era offense and TCU's this past season was the entertainment value of it. It really did make Baylor a household name from which it still gets some benefit. What we have now is the opposite or at least the implementation of this offensive staff's philosophy thus far is the opposite of entertaining. A 6-6 team with a Briles type of offensive philosophy (which obviously would not be well implemented either if they were 6-6) would probably garner more eyes than us at 6-6 with what are doing now.

You're arguing to eliminate about 90% of the posts on this board.

Bakersdozen said:

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I think we have to consider that Dykes has always good offenses. I doubt this changes much. TCU had great RBs and WRs this year.

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This. Dykes is a good offensive coach with a near elite quarterback track record. I'm sure Riley is really good at his job. But TCU's offense will be just fine without him.

Go look at Shane Buechele, Tanner Mordecai and Max Duggan before and after their time with Dykes. Hell, he got 4,000 yards and 37 touchdowns out of Davis Webb.