montypython said:

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If I was the Pac12 I'd go after SDSU and UTSA

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I don't think UTSA makes sense (or SMU). It's not a great power, and the travel would be terrible.

If I'm the PAC I am strongly considering SDSU and someone else close

We are all realists however. Some in the PAC delusionally perhaps even at their peril think they have invites in the mail or will get the call as soon as the the PAC collapses.
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LagunaBear said:

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montypython said:

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If I was the Pac12 I'd go after SDSU and UTSA

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I don't think UTSA makes sense (or SMU). It's not a great power, and the travel would be terrible.

If I'm the PAC I am strongly considering SDSU and someone else close

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I think the PAC-12 should have added San Diego State and Boise State months ago, but we know they're too snooty to associate with Boise.

UTSA would be smart, under-the-radar play if they want to get into Texas. That program is on UCF-esque trajectory IMO. They've got a great and growing fan base in San Antonio and they've proven in a very short period of time that they can compete at a high level.

Unlike SMU, which has no fan base and will never return to its glory days athletically, UTSA is a sleeping giant IMO.

Chamberman said:

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Nebraska, A&M, OU, UT, Missouri all sold their college sports souls for $$$$$. The decisions to move to the SEC and B1G were made by the University Presidents, not the athletic directors. They have and will continue to fall into mediocrity from a competition stand point. I think that OU could actually revive itself from the ashes and potentially compete in the SEC.

The great thing, at least with football, is that the expanded college football playoff brings greater parity at least of making it to the table.

For me, I'd rather regularly compete for a Big XII title than sit in obscurity in the SEC collecting a paycheck for the school.

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I have no way of knowing but are university Presidents really that tuned in to athletics?

I'd sell my 6-7 soul for SEC/B1G money at this point. Of course that window was never available to us.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Chamberman said:

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Nebraska, A&M, OU, UT, Missouri all sold their college sports souls for $$$$$. The decisions to move to the SEC and B1G were made by the University Presidents, not the athletic directors. They have and will continue to fall into mediocrity from a competition stand point. I think that OU could actually revive itself from the ashes and potentially compete in the SEC.

The great thing, at least with football, is that the expanded college football playoff brings greater parity at least of making it to the table.

For me, I'd rather regularly compete for a Big XII title than sit in obscurity in the SEC collecting a paycheck for the school.

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I have no way of knowing but are university Presidents really that tuned in to athletics?

I'd sell my 6-7 soul for SEC/B1G money at this point. Of course that window was never available to us.

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Why? Not a penny of that money will ever make it into your bank account. As a fan, I'd way rather have a successful program making good money than a mediocre one making great money.

Oregon and Washington may be disappointed in waiting for that B1G invite after the B1G invites North Carolina and Virginia instead.

It seems to me the B10 has already said but perhaps too diplomatically for Oregon to quite hear it, that they arent expanding out west any further and that Oregon and UW do not bring the money they are looking for. UW remains more diplomatic about their opinions on where they want to be and dont seem to be burning a back up life boat like Oregon does.


Oddly though it may be the XII has the same conclusions the B10 does they dont bring enough to the pie for the XII either when you consider the added costs to everyone to have them. Part of me would be entertained to see the Oregon folks not offered any real life boat after being so sure they are Big 2 bound.

PartyBear said:

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It seems to me the B10 has already said but perhaps too diplomatically for Oregon to quite hear it, that they arent expanding out west any further and that Oregon and UW do not bring the money they are looking for. UW remains more diplomatic about their opinions on where they want to be and dont seem to be burning a back up life boat like Oregon does.


Oddly though it may be the XII has the same conclusions the B10 does they dont bring enough to the pie for the XII either when you consider the added costs to everyone to have them. Part of me would be entertained to see the Oregon folks not offered any real life boat after being so sure they are Big 2 bound.

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I suspect there were probably mixed messages as well because Warren was way more interested in Western expansion than the university presidents ever were. So Oregon may have been hearing things from Warren that don't match the league's current direction.

Money talks and Phil Knight has enough for the BIG to listen. He wants to be in the same league as UCLA and USC and he wants Washington in as well. Makes sense for scheduling, too.

I bet he gets his wish.

That leaves no one else I would be interested in except perhaps Utah and AZ. I would not touch CO with a 10' ft pool. They are not a culture fit for the Big 12. Wait for the ACC to break apart.

Money is talking. It is saying Oregon isn't valuable enough to keep all the current members of the new B10 from losing money if they are added. No one's donor is going to get them into the Big 2. That isn't how it works.