Well he we go. - -Tings falling right in line with the rumors that's been going on for some time now. - -Colorado has called a " Special Board Meeting" for tomorrow Jun 6th from 3;30 til 5:00 - Executive Session Only , Executive Session for Regents ,



Colorado revised Status , will discuss Legal Advice on specific matter - - athletics matter of CU. , seen off my KU Board this also seen a video of a Peek around the corner that talks college football , Tim Brando talking saying he feels that from what he has learned that there is a very VERY good chance that Colorado & Arizona , Arizona State & Utah will join the Big 12

They was talking about the wording that was released from this statement about this upcoming meeting, and saying it runs exactly the same as the statement & meetings they had when Colorado left the Big in 2010 ? they said they should be getting an agenda coming out this afternoon, and to watch if they are talking about legal advice in this be aware -- -same wording as when they moved to Pac 12. - - this is coming to reality.

If you think about tit things gonna start moving - - -Big 12 meetings just got done , Pac 12 STILL no TV contract it's gonna happen -it ha started -- here we go

I dont believe an actual vote to apply to another conference would be in an executive session. They may very well decide to do it tomorrow. But I do not think that would be the when the decision would be made official. But who knows? They did post the agenda generally even though it is executive session if this is all real. Maybe they would authorize the President to send the "application" which as I recall from before is just a 2 or 3 sentence letter requesting admission then publicly ratify going once the XII responded with the invite.

seems that cu and uofa are close to declaring; just waiting for the p12 media rights to give them an excuse to leave.

uconn always made sense to me because they are natural rivals for wvu and 'nati. they're also a basketball blue blood, joining ku. and not long ago they were playing in major bowl games. they need a platform. someone said morgantown was almost as close to waco, what? it's 500 miles to storrs, 1300 to waco.

the fourth, if necessary, might be san diego state. they bring california, coast2coast, a new football stadium, excellent basketball, and they're unpretentious.

Let's not forget that PAC Commish Kliavkoff said Colorado's Coach Prime "Absolutely adds value" to PAC's media deal

If they've been struggling go get a lucrative deal with that supposed added value, then how much worse will it be without him?

2/10https://t.co/I7G5LydE5H pic.twitter.com/iLAcmjifJy

— Jeff Fuller (@jjfuller72) June 5, 2023

"Prime Effect" on social media:

Despite being hired in Dec '22, following CU's 1-11 season, the Buff's football yearly interactions spiked from 951K to 3.1M (over 2.2M in Dec alone)

Total Followers jumped from 223K in Jan '22 to 603K a yr later, a 169% increase

4/10 pic.twitter.com/aeAUm3TF1S

— Jeff Fuller (@jjfuller72) June 5, 2023

Read off another site that Arizona & Arizona ready to leave, and that All 4 Schools COULD be ready to apply for Big !2 as soon as some time this week.

Another thing I've read and heard is that Prime is almost demanding that Colorado seek to Join the Big 12- - -feeling that the Pac 12 is Dead. - -If these four Schools join the Big 12 - -then Oregon & Washington - WILL go to the BIG

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Read off another site that Arizona & Arizona ready to leave, and that All 4 Schools COULD be ready to apply for Big !2 as soon as some time this week.

Another thing I've read and heard is that Prime is almost demanding that Colorado seek to Join the Big 12- - -feeling that the Pac 12 is Dead. - -If these four Schools join the Big 12 - -then Oregon & Washington - WILL go to the BIG

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What if the BIG doesn't want UW and Oregon?

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Read off another site that Arizona & Arizona ready to leave, and that All 4 Schools COULD be ready to apply for Big !2 as soon as some time this week.

Another thing I've read and heard is that Prime is almost demanding that Colorado seek to Join the Big 12- - -feeling that the Pac 12 is Dead. - -If these four Schools join the Big 12 - -then Oregon & Washington - WILL go to the BIG

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What if the BIG doesn't want UW and Oregon?

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Earlier reporting heavily implied that if the PAC 12 collapsed, the B1G would pick up Oregon and Washington rather than risk them becoming also ran if they are forced to the (functional) G5 for an extended period of time.

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Read off another site that Arizona & Arizona ready to leave, and that All 4 Schools COULD be ready to apply for Big !2 as soon as some time this week.

Another thing I've read and heard is that Prime is almost demanding that Colorado seek to Join the Big 12- - -feeling that the Pac 12 is Dead. - -If these four Schools join the Big 12 - -then Oregon & Washington - WILL go to the BIG

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What if the BIG doesn't want UW and Oregon?

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Rumor was when USC and UCLA declared leaving last June that UW and Oregon were offered BIG invites if they took a non-equal revenue share to the other BIG schools. They maybe should have taken that deal.

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Read off another site that Arizona & Arizona ready to leave, and that All 4 Schools COULD be ready to apply for Big !2 as soon as some time this week.

Another thing I've read and heard is that Prime is almost demanding that Colorado seek to Join the Big 12- - -feeling that the Pac 12 is Dead. - -If these four Schools join the Big 12 - -then Oregon & Washington - WILL go to the BIG

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Seems like it would be a much better deal for BIG than the Big 12.

I'm not sure it will be good for the Big 12 at all. It might help them stay relevant for a few years, but I don't see the great potential for building quality, which should be a priority.

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someone said morgantown was almost as close to waco, what? it's 500 miles to storrs, 1300 to waco.

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IIRC, the comparison was the distance from UConn to Waco compared to the distance from Morgantown to Waco. I still think it's a bit of a stretch but I haven't researched it.

Looking to me like it's STILL a bunch of he said , she said , they said . Yesterday saw a post , " tweet " what the heck ever saying that THREE Colorado executives flew in to DFW. - this morning I saw from a Colorado insider this :

MHver 3 tweeted out : Tings aren't blowing up just yet . BUT Colorado is having ANOTHER meeting tomorrow - -which is now today , to continue down the road of departing the PAC . Also high ranking member of CU administration is coming to Big 12 offices for further " talks "

Like I said that now this guy seems to know his stuff pretty well - --so who knows. This thing could still drag on for Months. I don't think it will , but just saying.

Also read where Yormark is meeting resistance from some Big 12 people a far as Adding basketball Schools , Gonzaga & U Conn. yet there are also Big 12 Coach's that say it would be a good thing - -gonna be interesting to see how that part plays out

Anyone who cites MHver . . . sigh . . .

you can say that about anybody. - -you can say that about anybody else here - so there is that

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Looking to me like it's STILL a bunch of he said , she said , they said . Yesterday saw a post , " tweet " what the heck ever saying that THREE Colorado executives flew in to DFW. - this morning I saw from a Colorado insider this :

MHver 3 tweeted out : Tings aren't blowing up just yet . BUT Colorado is having ANOTHER meeting tomorrow - -which is now today , to continue down the road of departing the PAC . Also high ranking member of CU administration is coming to Big 12 offices for further " talks "

Like I said that now this guy seems to know his stuff pretty well - --so who knows. This thing could still drag on for Months. I don't think it will , but just saying.

Also read where Yormark is meeting resistance from some Big 12 people a far as Adding basketball Schools , Gonzaga & U Conn. yet there are also Big 12 Coach's that say it would be a good thing - -gonna be interesting to see how that part plays out

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your source here is awful. you might as well source some clown at the local bar. good grief, mhver!

Just spoke to Big 12 Commissioner Brett Yormark about the multiple reports that the Big 12 has met with Memphis: “I’ve never met with anyone at Memphis about adding them to the Big 12, nor have I been on campus.”

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) June 10, 2023

If we want to deeply parse that statement…

1. BY has not been to Memphis' campus. Another Big12 official could've gone.
2. BY has not spoken to Memphis about joining Big12. This doesn't mean he hasn't spoken to ESPN and Fox and the presidents/chancellors of Big12.
3. Memphis could've come to the Big12 and I bet they have like they did in the past.

We're vetting teams just like PAC, Big10, G5, etc. Vetting a team does not mean said team will be receiving an invitation

Maybe do. I think I've read somewhere (probably these boards) that the football stadium at Memphis is old & inadequate. It's quite possible that subpar facilities in general will limit their potential to go P5.

The Liberty Bowl is indeed a very tired stadium and lack of perceived investment in athletics is more than likely why they haven't gotten more consideration.

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The Liberty Bowl is indeed a very tired stadium and lack of perceived investment in athletics is more than likely why they haven't gotten more consideration.

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The renovation/rejuvenation plans for the Liberty Bowl look pretty cool. But I don't know where they stand on the funding for that.

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The Liberty Bowl is indeed a very tired stadium and lack of perceived investment in athletics is more than likely why they haven't gotten more consideration.

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The renovation/rejuvenation plans for the Liberty Bowl look pretty cool. But I don't know where they stand on the funding for that.

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Memphis needs the Fed Ex guy to play the role of Fertitta at UH if they want to level up.

Or someone else

The challenge with adding Memphis is that adding that program feels like step down for the conference given the various narratives over the last 6+ months.

It's been basically (the lines of the order is certainly blurry, but the exact order doesn't impact the point):
1. The Big 12 is happy with its current membership.
2. The Big 12 would be happy with taking the most valuable members of the PAC 12.
3. The Big 12 would be happy taking the four corners.
4. The Big 12 would be happy with Colorado and Arizona.
5. The Big 12 would be happy with Colorado.
6. The Big 12 would be happy with Gonzaga.
7. The Big 12 would be happy with UConn and Memphis.

Regardless as to how anyone feels about Memphis, I think we can all agree that it's a big shift to go from targeting the most valuable PAC 12 programs to targeting UConn and Memphis.

I feel adding UConn would be respected because its basketball championships are profound.

Memphis, though, is in a different category. Like it or not, adding Memphis would be widely perceived as adding a team beneath the level of the others in the Big 12.

I'm now starting to believe that the longer this drags out , that the PAC 12 in their own minds will try to make things work and the league will stay put and SINK. , and by that time OR when that time comes BY & the Big 12 will have moved on and they will really be screwed with no where to go - - - Mountain West lol
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I think about it and actually if NNO ONE comes to our Conference with the new blood w got our 4 Schools that are actually in Now , I think we could be fine. - Ya sure maybe w add a couple of Schools - -out of that scenario I would want I think Arizona of anyone - -really good Basketball - football kind ehhh what's the word, But for the other PAC 12 teams - - let them Sink

They could really use Fred Smith stepping up to be the Fertitta, Haslam, Pickens of the university. He's got the money. The school needs to keep upping its academic prestige. They've made some strides

I think there is a game going on between some PAC members, the PAC commish and the B12.

The PAC commish is promising an equivalent (or better) deal but if it's significantly less or all streaming, some PAC members are ready to bolt to the B12 for a stable traditional deal. The PAC commish doesn't have it currently in hand and may be lying trying to hold it all together. BY is tired of waiting and put a deadline on interested PAC schools. The teams interested in leaving will either force the PAC commish to show his hand or have to take their chances remaining in PAC.

No PAC team wants to be the first to leave (bad PR) and they sure don't want to leave and find out there was an equivalent deal in the PAC (terrible PR).

IF no PAC members bolt, it would look bad in my opinion for the B12 to then offer 2 P5 schools. It would be best for us to continue to vet potential members and let the PAC shrivel on the vine.

Nothing is going to happen. PAC will be alive and well at the end of June. Life will go on. Sit back and wait for the circus at the end of 2023 football season and bowl games... wash and recycle.

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I'm now starting to believe that the longer this drags out , that the PAC 12 in their own minds will try to make things work and the league will stay put and SINK. , and by that time OR when that time comes BY & the Big 12 will have moved on and they will really be screwed with no where to go - - - Mountain West lol
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I think about it and actually if NNO ONE comes to our Conference with the new blood w got our 4 Schools that are actually in Now , I think we could be fine. - Ya sure maybe w add a couple of Schools - -out of that scenario I would want I think Arizona of anyone - -really good Basketball - football kind ehhh what's the word, But for the other PAC 12 teams - - let them Sink

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The Big 12 would probably be better off allowing the Pac m 10 to die slowly and then take from the ACC more valuable schools when their conference starts to collapse. I can think of several members who would be better than almost anything out west for both football & basketball, unless we really have a shot at Oregon.

Pitt, VTech, Louisville, UNC, Duke, etc. They might even be eager to join the Big 12 if the Pac 10 collapses simply because they won't want to experience the same fate & they may not get invites from SEC+ or Big 10+6.

The SEC and B1G will likely finish taking whomever they can and still make a financial deal with networks that is untouchable by all others for the distant future. Then they will break from the NCAA and form their own regulating authority.

PAC-12 commish and apologists are peddling vaporware when they give rosy "predictions" about their new media deal.

They'd have better luck using a Treasure Map you can buy on Amazon!

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I'm now starting to believe that the longer this drags out , that the PAC 12 in their own minds will try to make things work and the league will stay put and SINK. , and by that time OR when that time comes BY & the Big 12 will have moved on and they will really be screwed with no where to go - - - Mountain West lol
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I think about it and actually if NNO ONE comes to our Conference with the new blood w got our 4 Schools that are actually in Now , I think we could be fine. - Ya sure maybe w add a couple of Schools - -out of that scenario I would want I think Arizona of anyone - -really good Basketball - football kind ehhh what's the word, But for the other PAC 12 teams - - let them Sink

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The Big 12 would probably be better off allowing the Pac m 10 to die slowly and then take from the ACC more valuable schools when their conference starts to collapse. I can think of several members who would be better than almost anything out west for both football & basketball, unless we really have a shot at Oregon.

Pitt, VTech, Louisville, UNC, Duke, etc. They might even be eager to join the Big 12 if the Pac 10 collapses simply because they won't want to experience the same fate & they may not get invites from SEC+ or Big 10+6.

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In my opinion after reading posters on "Our Beloved Ducks", Oregon would just be another UT. They think that much of themselves........I just as soon not have them. It would add instability to the conference versus stability, IMO.....although I'm not sure anyone in the XII has a place to go. Oregon would be "renting" in the XII till the house they believe is being built for them is ready.

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I'm now starting to believe that the longer this drags out , that the PAC 12 in their own minds will try to make things work and the league will stay put and SINK. , and by that time OR when that time comes BY & the Big 12 will have moved on and they will really be screwed with no where to go - - - Mountain West lol
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I think about it and actually if NNO ONE comes to our Conference with the new blood w got our 4 Schools that are actually in Now , I think we could be fine. - Ya sure maybe w add a couple of Schools - -out of that scenario I would want I think Arizona of anyone - -really good Basketball - football kind ehhh what's the word, But for the other PAC 12 teams - - let them Sink

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The Big 12 would probably be better off allowing the Pac m 10 to die slowly and then take from the ACC more valuable schools when their conference starts to collapse. I can think of several members who would be better than almost anything out west for both football & basketball, unless we really have a shot at Oregon.

Pitt, VTech, Louisville, UNC, Duke, etc. They might even be eager to join the Big 12 if the Pac 10 collapses simply because they won't want to experience the same fate & they may not get invites from SEC+ or Big 10+6.

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In my opinion after reading posters on "Our Beloved Ducks", Oregon would just be another UT. They think that much of themselves........I just as soon not have them. It would add instability to the conference versus stability, IMO.....although I'm not sure anyone in the XII has a place to go. Oregon would be "renting" in the XII till the house they believe is being built for them is ready.

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I agree. I don't think it really matters because they likely have no interest in the Big 12 anyway. I only mentioned them because they are the only team in their league with decent teams in football, MBB, AND WBB over the past few years. They are the one school that likely would add value.

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I'm now starting to believe that the longer this drags out , that the PAC 12 in their own minds will try to make things work and the league will stay put and SINK. , and by that time OR when that time comes BY & the Big 12 will have moved on and they will really be screwed with no where to go - - - Mountain West lol
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I think about it and actually if NNO ONE comes to our Conference with the new blood w got our 4 Schools that are actually in Now , I think we could be fine. - Ya sure maybe w add a couple of Schools - -out of that scenario I would want I think Arizona of anyone - -really good Basketball - football kind ehhh what's the word, But for the other PAC 12 teams - - let them Sink

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The Big 12 would probably be better off allowing the Pac m 10 to die slowly and then take from the ACC more valuable schools when their conference starts to collapse. I can think of several members who would be better than almost anything out west for both football & basketball, unless we really have a shot at Oregon.

Pitt, VTech, Louisville, UNC, Duke, etc. They might even be eager to join the Big 12 if the Pac 10 collapses simply because they won't want to experience the same fate & they may not get invites from SEC+ or Big 10+6.

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In my opinion after reading posters on "Our Beloved Ducks", Oregon would just be another UT. They think that much of themselves........I just as soon not have them. It would add instability to the conference versus stability, IMO.....although I'm not sure anyone in the XII has a place to go. Oregon would be "renting" in the XII till the house they believe is being built for them is ready.

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I agree. I don't think it really matters because they likely have no interest in the Big 12 anyway. I only mentioned them because they are the only team in their league with decent teams in football, MBB, AND WBB over the past few years. They are the one school that likely would add value.

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You honestly believe that Oregon is the only PAC 12 program that would add value?

I should have said "significant value." The 4 corners might add some value indirectly, but that's more strategic. I don't think they add much direct value. I'm also thinking in terms of athletic competitiveness although Yormarck's thinking probably is much broader.