I guess I will have to go look at FPI for those seasons.

Here are some options for rewriting the lines "KB has been somewhat disappointing as an Offensive coordinator. Yes, flashes of success, but nothing sustained. I truly thought he would be a P5 head coach by now.":
More neutral:

• "KB's performance as Offensive coordinator has been mixed. While there have been glimpses of potential, consistent success hasn't materialized. Considering his talent, many anticipated him securing a P5 head coaching position by now."
• "KB's tenure as Offensive coordinator has seen its share of ups and downs. While there have been bright spots, overall consistency has been lacking. Given his pedigree, some expected him to have transitioned to a P5 head coaching role by now."
• wa.adwhatspp

IowaBear said:

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Our defense struggled because they were on the field 40 plus minutes a game due to us scoring at will. It's not speculation that the 15 team was the best team in the land prior to his injury. The dude had 35 TDs through 6 games… really through like 3 since he didn't play most 2nd halves. That team beat a top 10 OSU on the road with their 3rd string QB starting.

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Our defense struggled because we could not get ourselves off the field. 3rd & long you say? Automatic 1st down coming up!

He played nearly the whole game! Briles only carried 2 QBs that year while most Big 12 teams carried 5 or 6 on their roster. Briles should never have allowed Seth to run like that or as much as he did with 2 QBs active.

We gave up 30+ points to 6 teams that year! That my friends is not National Championship caliber play.

Oh, remember my 7th grade coach would not have lost to TCU in the Monsoon Game nor Texas in the Mall Fight Game.

Offense? A+
Defense? D-
Special Teams? C-
Discipline? D

HarryMehre said:

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fredbear said:

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KB has been somewhat disappointing as an Offensive coordinator. Yes, flashes of success, but nothing sustained. I truly thought he would be a P5 head coach by now.

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Just as soon as he gets those "raw" and "lube" pass protections down pat, he will be on his way. I never thought much of Kendall ever. Surprised that teams keep hiring him as an OC.

When is the Art Briles page going to be added to this site?

And just for all of the Art lovers; with his defenses and special teams play and overall lack of discipline Art was never going to sniff a national title. His tenure ended about how I thought it was going to end. Art has/had a brilliant offensive mind, but please just make it stop. Baylor is so much better without him.

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2022 and especially 2023 BU football says Hello, 2024 has all the excitement of a plane crash, but yeah, we gonna git'em! Football sucks!

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I think I read this is their sixth appearance in the CWS. We have seriously fallen behind TCU in everything except possibly basketball.

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Well… they did beat BU in the new Foster with an insane home court advantage for BU. Face it, Mens Basketball is all we can cling to barely. BU is only a conference participant otherwise in anything.

Bearfan21 said:

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Art Briles in TCU's football building is a fun development, huh?

— parker fleming (@statsowar) June 12, 2023

TCU twitter with a completely different tone today in the replies to this tweet. Constant harassment from TCU fans over the years online and at games regarding the Briles scandal at Baylor. But now "it's not that serious" and "he's just meeting with his son". It seemed to be a pretty big deal when you used a horrible incident against the Baylor fanbase. Funny how a narrative flips isn't it. Forget HypnoToad, it's Hypocrites.

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Because like most fan bases it was fake moral outrage and just about knocking the unworthy competitor from their perch in football. Sickening.

hodedofome said:

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Thee University said:

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IowaBear said:

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Our defense struggled because they were on the field 40 plus minutes a game due to us scoring at will. It's not speculation that the 15 team was the best team in the land prior to his injury. The dude had 35 TDs through 6 games… really through like 3 since he didn't play most 2nd halves. That team beat a top 10 OSU on the road with their 3rd string QB starting.

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Our defense struggled because we could not get ourselves off the field. 3rd & long you say? Automatic 1st down coming up!

He played nearly the whole game! Briles only carried 2 QBs that year while most Big 12 teams carried 5 or 6 on their roster. Briles should never have allowed Seth to run like that or as much as he did with 2 QBs active.

We gave up 30+ points to 6 teams that year! That my friends is not National Championship caliber play.

Oh, remember my 7th grade coach would not have lost to TCU in the Monsoon Game nor Texas in the Mall Fight Game.

Offense? A+
Defense? D-
Special Teams? C-
Discipline? D

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Thee just can't help it that a Briles team was far and away better than his team before Seth's injury.

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Right.

I used to think the '85 & '86 teams were better than the '80 SWC Champs so I quit comparing back then. However, when you have 3 teams go through the regular season with only 1 loss you might want to compare those 3 Baylor teams as best you can.

So, let's look at those three teams (1980, 2013 & 2014).

10-1 is .909
11-1 is .916

1980 finished the regular season #6 but dropped to #13 after getting drilled by Alabama
2013 finished the regular season #9 but dropped to #13 after their bowl game
2014 finished the regular season #5 but dropped to #7 after their bowl game

1980 went UNDEFEATED in conference play
2013 lost 1 conference game
2014 lost 1 conference game

1980 had 12 players selected All-Conference
2013 had 10 players selected All-Conference
2014 had 8 players selected All-Conference

1980 had 3 players drafted in first 7 rounds
2013 had 1 player drafted
2014 had 5 players drafted

1980 had 3 players make All-Pro
2013 had 0
2014 had 0

1980 has 1 player in the pro football HOF
2013 has 0
2014 has 0



I don't care which team is better in your mind. I just want them all to WIN.

Injuries happen to every team. Saying Seth was the missing piece of a potential National Championship would be like me pinning the San Jose State loss on our kicker who missed that game due to an injury. The backup kicker missed kicks from the 6, 22 & 24 yard lines.

As a player who knows firsthand how difficult it is to go undefeated, I too knew that 3 of Art's teams could have done so if only……………we devoted as much time to defense as we did to offense, devoted more time to special teams & instilled a much deeper discipline across all aspects of D1 football. We were so close. I've been there too. So close yet so far.

Thee University said:

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hodedofome said:

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Thee University said:

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IowaBear said:

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Our defense struggled because they were on the field 40 plus minutes a game due to us scoring at will. It's not speculation that the 15 team was the best team in the land prior to his injury. The dude had 35 TDs through 6 games… really through like 3 since he didn't play most 2nd halves. That team beat a top 10 OSU on the road with their 3rd string QB starting.

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Our defense struggled because we could not get ourselves off the field. 3rd & long you say? Automatic 1st down coming up!

He played nearly the whole game! Briles only carried 2 QBs that year while most Big 12 teams carried 5 or 6 on their roster. Briles should never have allowed Seth to run like that or as much as he did with 2 QBs active.

We gave up 30+ points to 6 teams that year! That my friends is not National Championship caliber play.

Oh, remember my 7th grade coach would not have lost to TCU in the Monsoon Game nor Texas in the Mall Fight Game.

Offense? A+
Defense? D-
Special Teams? C-
Discipline? D

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Thee just can't help it that a Briles team was far and away better than his team before Seth's injury.

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Right.

I used to think the '85 & '86 teams were better than the '80 SWC Champs so I quit comparing back then. However, when you have 3 teams go through the regular season with only 1 loss you might want to compare those 3 Baylor teams as best you can.

So, let's look at those three teams (1980, 2013 & 2014).

10-1 is .909
11-1 is .916

1980 finished the regular season #6 but dropped to #13 after getting drilled by Alabama
2013 finished the regular season #9 but dropped to #13 after their bowl game
2014 finished the regular season #5 but dropped to #7 after their bowl game

1980 went UNDEFEATED in conference play
2013 lost 1 conference game
2014 lost 1 conference game

1980 had 12 players selected All-Conference
2013 had 10 players selected All-Conference
2014 had 8 players selected All-Conference

1980 had 3 players drafted in first 7 rounds
2013 had 1 player drafted
2014 had 5 players drafted

1980 had 3 players make All-Pro
2013 had 0
2014 had 0

1980 has 1 player in the pro football HOF
2013 has 0
2014 has 0



I don't care which team is better in your mind. I just want them all to WIN.

Injuries happen to every team. Saying Seth was the missing piece of a potential National Championship would be like me pinning the San Jose State loss on our kicker who missed that game due to an injury. The backup kicker missed kicks from the 6, 22 & 24 yard lines.

As a player who knows firsthand how difficult it is to go undefeated, I too knew that 3 of Art's teams could have done so if only……………we devoted as much time to defense as we did to offense, devoted more time to special teams & instilled a much deeper discipline across all aspects of D1 football. We were so close. I've been there too. So close yet so far.

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What does the number of players drafted or nfl hall of fame have to do with winning college games?

Bearfan21 said:

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Art Briles in TCU's football building is a fun development, huh?

— parker fleming (@statsowar) June 12, 2023

TCU twitter with a completely different tone today in the replies to this tweet. Constant harassment from TCU fans over the years online and at games regarding the Briles scandal at Baylor. But now "it's not that serious" and "he's just meeting with his son". It seemed to be a pretty big deal when you used a horrible incident against the Baylor fanbase. Funny how a narrative flips isn't it. Forget HypnoToad, it's Hypocrites.

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Yeah! Kinda like the Bear one over anything TCU.

How'd the kicker get hurt? Sounds like that backup kicker cost us the game.

TCU is replacing the Patterson statue.

TysonTCU said:

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Thee University said:

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hodedofome said:

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Thee University said:

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IowaBear said:

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Our defense struggled because they were on the field 40 plus minutes a game due to us scoring at will. It's not speculation that the 15 team was the best team in the land prior to his injury. The dude had 35 TDs through 6 games… really through like 3 since he didn't play most 2nd halves. That team beat a top 10 OSU on the road with their 3rd string QB starting.

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Our defense struggled because we could not get ourselves off the field. 3rd & long you say? Automatic 1st down coming up!

He played nearly the whole game! Briles only carried 2 QBs that year while most Big 12 teams carried 5 or 6 on their roster. Briles should never have allowed Seth to run like that or as much as he did with 2 QBs active.

We gave up 30+ points to 6 teams that year! That my friends is not National Championship caliber play.

Oh, remember my 7th grade coach would not have lost to TCU in the Monsoon Game nor Texas in the Mall Fight Game.

Offense? A+
Defense? D-
Special Teams? C-
Discipline? D

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Thee just can't help it that a Briles team was far and away better than his team before Seth's injury.

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Right.

I used to think the '85 & '86 teams were better than the '80 SWC Champs so I quit comparing back then. However, when you have 3 teams go through the regular season with only 1 loss you might want to compare those 3 Baylor teams as best you can.

So, let's look at those three teams (1980, 2013 & 2014).

10-1 is .909
11-1 is .916

1980 finished the regular season #6 but dropped to #13 after getting drilled by Alabama
2013 finished the regular season #9 but dropped to #13 after their bowl game
2014 finished the regular season #5 but dropped to #7 after their bowl game

1980 went UNDEFEATED in conference play
2013 lost 1 conference game
2014 lost 1 conference game

1980 had 12 players selected All-Conference
2013 had 10 players selected All-Conference
2014 had 8 players selected All-Conference

1980 had 3 players drafted in first 7 rounds
2013 had 1 player drafted
2014 had 5 players drafted

1980 had 3 players make All-Pro
2013 had 0
2014 had 0

1980 has 1 player in the pro football HOF
2013 has 0
2014 has 0



I don't care which team is better in your mind. I just want them all to WIN.

Injuries happen to every team. Saying Seth was the missing piece of a potential National Championship would be like me pinning the San Jose State loss on our kicker who missed that game due to an injury. The backup kicker missed kicks from the 6, 22 & 24 yard lines.

As a player who knows firsthand how difficult it is to go undefeated, I too knew that 3 of Art's teams could have done so if only……………we devoted as much time to defense as we did to offense, devoted more time to special teams & instilled a much deeper discipline across all aspects of D1 football. We were so close. I've been there too. So close yet so far.

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What does the number of players drafted or nfl hall of fame have to do with winning college games?

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Your boy hodo something said they were far and away better so I did not want to zero in on Art's teams inability to win out in conference play. 8-1 is good but it's not great. 8-0 is great. Personnel make a team great. Decorated personnel are recognized for being good or great.

It's not as bad as many posters crying about 3*, 4* or 5* 18 year olds. My teammates were the best in the world. Another measuring stick was longevity in the NFL.

I have not cared about the comparisons between 1980 and 2013 or 2014. I just wanted the 2013 & 2014 teams to win their bowl game sine they lost to a Big 12 conference foe.

One other measuring stick to consider.

2013
OSU hangs 49 points on us and goes for 594 yards of O
UCF, a commuter college, then goes for 556 yards on us


2014
West Virginia clips us with 41 points and 456 yards of O
Michigan State the hangs 552 yards on us and scores 21 points on us in the 4th Q

T-E-A-M? Teams have Offense, Defense & Special Teams.

I'll give you boys another opportunity to correct "far and away better".

Thee University said:

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hodedofome said:

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Thee University said:

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IowaBear said:

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Our defense struggled because they were on the field 40 plus minutes a game due to us scoring at will. It's not speculation that the 15 team was the best team in the land prior to his injury. The dude had 35 TDs through 6 games… really through like 3 since he didn't play most 2nd halves. That team beat a top 10 OSU on the road with their 3rd string QB starting.

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Our defense struggled because we could not get ourselves off the field. 3rd & long you say? Automatic 1st down coming up!

He played nearly the whole game! Briles only carried 2 QBs that year while most Big 12 teams carried 5 or 6 on their roster. Briles should never have allowed Seth to run like that or as much as he did with 2 QBs active.

We gave up 30+ points to 6 teams that year! That my friends is not National Championship caliber play.

Oh, remember my 7th grade coach would not have lost to TCU in the Monsoon Game nor Texas in the Mall Fight Game.

Offense? A+
Defense? D-
Special Teams? C-
Discipline? D

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Thee just can't help it that a Briles team was far and away better than his team before Seth's injury.

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Right.

I used to think the '85 & '86 teams were better than the '80 SWC Champs so I quit comparing back then. However, when you have 3 teams go through the regular season with only 1 loss you might want to compare those 3 Baylor teams as best you can.

So, let's look at those three teams (1980, 2013 & 2014).

10-1 is .909
11-1 is .916

1980 finished the regular season #6 but dropped to #13 after getting drilled by Alabama
2013 finished the regular season #9 but dropped to #13 after their bowl game
2014 finished the regular season #5 but dropped to #7 after their bowl game

1980 went UNDEFEATED in conference play
2013 lost 1 conference game
2014 lost 1 conference game

1980 had 12 players selected All-Conference
2013 had 10 players selected All-Conference
2014 had 8 players selected All-Conference

1980 had 3 players drafted in first 7 rounds
2013 had 1 player drafted
2014 had 5 players drafted

1980 had 3 players make All-Pro
2013 had 0
2014 had 0

1980 has 1 player in the pro football HOF
2013 has 0
2014 has 0



I don't care which team is better in your mind. I just want them all to WIN.

Injuries happen to every team. Saying Seth was the missing piece of a potential National Championship would be like me pinning the San Jose State loss on our kicker who missed that game due to an injury. The backup kicker missed kicks from the 6, 22 & 24 yard lines.

As a player who knows firsthand how difficult it is to go undefeated, I too knew that 3 of Art's teams could have done so if only……………we devoted as much time to defense as we did to offense, devoted more time to special teams & instilled a much deeper discipline across all aspects of D1 football. We were so close. I've been there too. So close yet so far.

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Still living off of Mark Adickes' accomplishments? So sad.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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hodedofome said:

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Thee University said:

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IowaBear said:

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Our defense struggled because they were on the field 40 plus minutes a game due to us scoring at will. It's not speculation that the 15 team was the best team in the land prior to his injury. The dude had 35 TDs through 6 games… really through like 3 since he didn't play most 2nd halves. That team beat a top 10 OSU on the road with their 3rd string QB starting.

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Our defense struggled because we could not get ourselves off the field. 3rd & long you say? Automatic 1st down coming up!

He played nearly the whole game! Briles only carried 2 QBs that year while most Big 12 teams carried 5 or 6 on their roster. Briles should never have allowed Seth to run like that or as much as he did with 2 QBs active.

We gave up 30+ points to 6 teams that year! That my friends is not National Championship caliber play.

Oh, remember my 7th grade coach would not have lost to TCU in the Monsoon Game nor Texas in the Mall Fight Game.

Offense? A+
Defense? D-
Special Teams? C-
Discipline? D

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Thee just can't help it that a Briles team was far and away better than his team before Seth's injury.

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Right.

I used to think the '85 & '86 teams were better than the '80 SWC Champs so I quit comparing back then. However, when you have 3 teams go through the regular season with only 1 loss you might want to compare those 3 Baylor teams as best you can.

So, let's look at those three teams (1980, 2013 & 2014).

10-1 is .909
11-1 is .916

1980 finished the regular season #6 but dropped to #13 after getting drilled by Alabama
2013 finished the regular season #9 but dropped to #13 after their bowl game
2014 finished the regular season #5 but dropped to #7 after their bowl game

1980 went UNDEFEATED in conference play
2013 lost 1 conference game
2014 lost 1 conference game

1980 had 12 players selected All-Conference
2013 had 10 players selected All-Conference
2014 had 8 players selected All-Conference

1980 had 3 players drafted in first 7 rounds
2013 had 1 player drafted
2014 had 5 players drafted

1980 had 3 players make All-Pro
2013 had 0
2014 had 0

1980 has 1 player in the pro football HOF
2013 has 0
2014 has 0



I don't care which team is better in your mind. I just want them all to WIN.

Injuries happen to every team. Saying Seth was the missing piece of a potential National Championship would be like me pinning the San Jose State loss on our kicker who missed that game due to an injury. The backup kicker missed kicks from the 6, 22 & 24 yard lines.

As a player who knows firsthand how difficult it is to go undefeated, I too knew that 3 of Art's teams could have done so if only……………we devoted as much time to defense as we did to offense, devoted more time to special teams & instilled a much deeper discipline across all aspects of D1 football. We were so close. I've been there too. So close yet so far.

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Still living off of Mark Adickes' accomplishments? So sad.

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When are you going to take those knee pads off, stand up and wipe your chin off?

Now THAT is sad!

Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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hodedofome said:

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Thee University said:

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IowaBear said:

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Our defense struggled because they were on the field 40 plus minutes a game due to us scoring at will. It's not speculation that the 15 team was the best team in the land prior to his injury. The dude had 35 TDs through 6 games… really through like 3 since he didn't play most 2nd halves. That team beat a top 10 OSU on the road with their 3rd string QB starting.

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Our defense struggled because we could not get ourselves off the field. 3rd & long you say? Automatic 1st down coming up!

He played nearly the whole game! Briles only carried 2 QBs that year while most Big 12 teams carried 5 or 6 on their roster. Briles should never have allowed Seth to run like that or as much as he did with 2 QBs active.

We gave up 30+ points to 6 teams that year! That my friends is not National Championship caliber play.

Oh, remember my 7th grade coach would not have lost to TCU in the Monsoon Game nor Texas in the Mall Fight Game.

Offense? A+
Defense? D-
Special Teams? C-
Discipline? D

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Thee just can't help it that a Briles team was far and away better than his team before Seth's injury.

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Right.

I used to think the '85 & '86 teams were better than the '80 SWC Champs so I quit comparing back then. However, when you have 3 teams go through the regular season with only 1 loss you might want to compare those 3 Baylor teams as best you can.

So, let's look at those three teams (1980, 2013 & 2014).

10-1 is .909
11-1 is .916

1980 finished the regular season #6 but dropped to #13 after getting drilled by Alabama
2013 finished the regular season #9 but dropped to #13 after their bowl game
2014 finished the regular season #5 but dropped to #7 after their bowl game

1980 went UNDEFEATED in conference play
2013 lost 1 conference game
2014 lost 1 conference game

1980 had 12 players selected All-Conference
2013 had 10 players selected All-Conference
2014 had 8 players selected All-Conference

1980 had 3 players drafted in first 7 rounds
2013 had 1 player drafted
2014 had 5 players drafted

1980 had 3 players make All-Pro
2013 had 0
2014 had 0

1980 has 1 player in the pro football HOF
2013 has 0
2014 has 0



I don't care which team is better in your mind. I just want them all to WIN.

Injuries happen to every team. Saying Seth was the missing piece of a potential National Championship would be like me pinning the San Jose State loss on our kicker who missed that game due to an injury. The backup kicker missed kicks from the 6, 22 & 24 yard lines.

As a player who knows firsthand how difficult it is to go undefeated, I too knew that 3 of Art's teams could have done so if only……………we devoted as much time to defense as we did to offense, devoted more time to special teams & instilled a much deeper discipline across all aspects of D1 football. We were so close. I've been there too. So close yet so far.

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Still living off of Mark Adickes' accomplishments? So sad.

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When are you going to take those knee pads off, stand up and wipe your chin off?

Now THAT is sad!

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spoken like a TCU fan.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Still living off of Mark Adickes' accomplishments? So sad.

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You seem to have forgotten that Mark Adickes got hurt in the Lamar game (first game of the 1980 season) and did not play the rest of the season.