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Matt Rhule clearly wanted big, husky, lanky corn fed dudes that could put on a lot of weight and throw people around.

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Not sure what team you were watching. We couldn't pass block or run block.

Each year Rhule was here, we were ranked 110th or worse in sacks allowed per game. To put that in perspective. we were worse than New Mexico State and Toledo. Poor Charlie got his skull knocked in the entire time he played here. That guy was tough as nails and stayed in there.

To be fair, Rhule inherited a mess and by his last year we were ranked #55 in yards per carry - which was our best ranking during his stay.

Aranda inherited mediocre offensive talent and from the looks of things, hasn't done much in development or recruiting on that side of the ball, or any side of the ball from our limited data this year.

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The point wasn't to say whether rhule's strategy worked well, the point was to say that he had a strategy. I don't think Dave has any kind of niche. All the freaky athletic guys are gone, and frankly most of Dave's recruits are small and lack requisite speed for the modern game

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Matt Rhule clearly wanted big, husky, lanky corn fed dudes that could put on a lot of weight and throw people around.

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The point wasn't to say whether rhule's strategy worked well, the point was to say that he had a strategy. I don't think Dave has any kind of niche. All the freaky athletic guys are gone, and frankly most of Dave's recruits are small and lack requisite speed for the modern game

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My mistake, I misinterpreted "clearly wanted" as something that was actually implemented.

Aranda may have a vision, but without prior HC experience, doesn't know how to implement it. His hiring of Fedora was a clear signal to me that he hired a name and didn't know that side of the ball.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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I edited my post because yes, Pitre was the only recruit to follow through from the Briles era but there were 45 returning Briles players.

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I found a roster and counted. There were 71 returning players on Rhule 's first team including red shirt freshmen. All of them were 3 or 4 or 5 star players. Yet we won only one game. All of those players were recruited by Briles.

I get that Pitre was the lone 2017 recruit from the Briles/Grobe final season that had signed already but didn't bail but after the dust settled Rhule signed some players that had been contacted by Baylor prior to that - no idea how many had or hadn't.

The bigger false narrative and excuse is that Rhule didn't have any talent in year one. He had Davian Hall (a 5 star recruit) for one but couldn't figure out how to use him and other speed guys. Rhule was a bad coach in 2017. Very very bad. It wouldn't surprise me if part of it was on purpose.

I am worried we are going to see 2017 all over again.

In my humble opinion Baylor got beat by the transfer portal not Texas State. They have 53 transfers plus some transfers/JC guys from last year.

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In my humble opinion Baylor got beat by the transfer portal not Texas State. They have 53 transfers plus some transfers/JC guys from last year.

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We'll learn a lot about Texas State this week. If they beat UTSA, that loss won't look quite as bad. It won't feel any better, but at least we'll know they're legitimately improved.

Texas State is clearly more talented than they have been. But there will never be a good excuse to get manhandled by them the way we did, especially at home.

What a lame excuse….. so we got beat by a bunch of FCS transfers and P5 guys that couldn't crack the rotation at their prior schools. Boy that gives me tons of confidence in the yoda. We're I. year 4 there's literally no excuse to lose that game… none. If he can't beat Tx St he shouldn't be coaching BU

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In my humble opinion Baylor got beat by the transfer portal not Texas State. They have 53 transfers plus some transfers/JC guys from last year.

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We'll learn a lot about Texas State this week. If they beat UTSA, that loss won't look quite as bad. It won't feel any better, but at least we'll know they're legitimately improved.

Texas State is clearly more talented than they have been. But there will never be a good excuse to get manhandled by them the way we did, especially at home.

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I hope Tx State is not fools gold bc I bet them +12 vs UTSA. The Sunbelt has good teams. Just last year aggy got beat at home to App St and they supposedly had the most talented roster ever.

Frank Harris gonna tear their D apart

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Frank Harris gonna tear their D apart

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He threw 3 ints to houston and only 1 td. I like TX states chances to put some points on them.

Houston's D is miles better than Tx St. Tx St will score no doubt. Just think people are going to realize real fast that Tx st isn't good and BU is just that bad this year

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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I edited my post because yes, Pitre was the only recruit to follow through from the Briles era but there were 45 returning Briles players.

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I found a roster and counted. There were 71 returning players on Rhule 's first team including red shirt freshmen. All of them were 3 or 4 or 5 star players. Yet we won only one game. All of those players were recruited by Briles.

I get that Pitre was the lone 2017 recruit from the Briles/Grobe final season that had signed already but didn't bail but after the dust settled Rhule signed some players that had been contacted by Baylor prior to that - no idea how many had or hadn't.

The bigger false narrative and excuse is that Rhule didn't have any talent in year one. He had Davian Hall (a 5 star recruit) for one but couldn't figure out how to use him and other speed guys. Rhule was a bad coach in 2017. Very very bad. It wouldn't surprise me if part of it was on purpose.

I am worried we are going to see 2017 all over again.

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I think it was on purpose but can't prove it. I just felt bad for Sock and the other seniors that he wouldn't play. They deserved better, they had been through enough.

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What a lame excuse….. so we got beat by a bunch of FCS transfers and P5 guys that couldn't crack the rotation at their prior schools. Boy that gives me tons of confidence in the yoda. We're I. year 4 there's literally no excuse to lose that game… none. If he can't beat Tx St he shouldn't be coaching BU

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Some posters are coping hard about that loss. I guess it's just how they deal with grief. Other people choose a more rational approach.

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What a lame excuse….. so we got beat by a bunch of FCS transfers and P5 guys that couldn't crack the rotation at their prior schools. Boy that gives me tons of confidence in the yoda. We're I. year 4 there's literally no excuse to lose that game… none. If he can't beat Tx St he shouldn't be coaching BU

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I think a lot of people are interpreting Saturday's events with 2005 goggles.

We got caught in the early movements of CFB's new portal era in practice. So did TCU. There is no way to adequately prepare for a team with 50-70 new players and a coach with nothing on film with any of those players. The teams that abuse the portal with a first-year coach are complete wildcards early in the year, and will continue to be so as long as it's this wide open.

That doesn't excuse our guys in the trenches getting completely blown off the ball play after play, and there is zero reason we should've looked that flat defensively, but it does go some way toward explaining why we were caught so off guard. We may be one of the first victims of this strategy, but it's going to happen to P5 programs again, and again, and again so long as these rules persist.

The bad news for the Texas States of the world is that you can't trade on surprise attacks forever, and it's not a lasting foundation for a program. They're going to get found out and will have to settle into normalcy eventually, and I think you'll see them hurtle back to earth as the season progresses now that they're on tape.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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I edited my post because yes, Pitre was the only recruit to follow through from the Briles era but there were 45 returning Briles players.

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I found a roster and counted. There were 71 returning players on Rhule 's first team including red shirt freshmen.
The bigger false narrative and excuse is that Rhule didn't have any talent in year one. He had Davian Hall (a 5 star recruit) for one but couldn't figure out how to use him and other speed guys. Rhule was a bad coach in 2017. Very very bad. It wouldn't surprise me if part of it was on purpose.

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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your short-bus, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

We really shouldn't have been caught off guard…. There's plenty of tape on UIW and Kinne ran the exact same offense Saturday that he did at UIW. Sure he had a bunch of transfers. Doesn't excuse our d and o lines getting dominated. Doesn't excuse our weak secondary getting torched all night. Doesn't excuse our RBs inability to pick up blitzes. Maybe I. Too harsh but to me these are all still excuses. We're in year 4 and getting our asses kicked by Tx St yet this fanbase wants to make excuse after excuse. Perhaps the cold hard truth is that Dave isn't a good coach and can't develop talent ?

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We really shouldn't have been caught off guard…. There's plenty of tape on UIW and Kinne ran the exact same offense Saturday that he did at UIW. Sure he had a bunch of transfers. Doesn't excuse our d and o lines getting dominated. Doesn't excuse our weak secondary getting torched all night. Doesn't excuse our RBs inability to pick up blitzes. Maybe I. Too harsh but to me these are all still excuses. We're in year 4 and getting our asses kicked by Tx St yet this fanbase wants to make excuse after excuse. Perhaps the cold hard truth is that Dave isn't a good coach and can't develop talent ?

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And even if we were caught off guard, we had ample time to adjust to what they were doing and come up with a better way to defend it. We never came close to stopping them when the game was in the balance.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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I edited my post because yes, Pitre was the only recruit to follow through from the Briles era but there were 45 returning Briles players.

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I found a roster and counted. There were 71 returning players on Rhule 's first team including red shirt freshmen.
The bigger false narrative and excuse is that Rhule didn't have any talent in year one. He had Davian Hall (a 5 star recruit) for one but couldn't figure out how to use him and other speed guys. Rhule was a bad coach in 2017. Very very bad. It wouldn't surprise me if part of it was on purpose.

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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your short-bus, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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What a remarkable presentation of facts!

This, not once did I actually think we would be able to stop them. I just kept praying they'd shoot them selves in the foot. I believe they were like 4/4 on 4th down that just can't happen. I get Tx St had a bunch of new starters but there was ample film on UIWs offense as well as ample time in game to adjust and we simply didn't. Another thing I noticed was Finley wasn't exactly threading the needle (didn't need too) looked like a 7 on 7 drill guys running wide open everywhere

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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I edited my post because yes, Pitre was the only recruit to follow through from the Briles era but there were 45 returning Briles players.

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I found a roster and counted. There were 71 returning players on Rhule 's first team including red shirt freshmen.
The bigger false narrative and excuse is that Rhule didn't have any talent in year one. He had Davian Hall (a 5 star recruit) for one but couldn't figure out how to use him and other speed guys. Rhule was a bad coach in 2017. Very very bad. It wouldn't surprise me if part of it was on purpose.

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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your short-bus, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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What a remarkable presentation of facts!

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You are correct, that moron presented little if anything to back up his point.

I, on the other hand, quoted (with slight changes), Billy Madison, as it was a fitting response to a post written by someone that has an extra chromosome.

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We really shouldn't have been caught off guard…. There's plenty of tape on UIW and Kinne ran the exact same offense Saturday that he did at UIW. Sure he had a bunch of transfers. Doesn't excuse our d and o lines getting dominated. Doesn't excuse our weak secondary getting torched all night. Doesn't excuse our RBs inability to pick up blitzes. Maybe I. Too harsh but to me these are all still excuses. We're in year 4 and getting our asses kicked by Tx St yet this fanbase wants to make excuse after excuse. Perhaps the cold hard truth is that Dave isn't a good coach and can't develop talent ?

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I didn't say it excused anything - I said it explains it. You can't fix something if you don't understand it, and it's very clear we were ambushed by a team we had no concept of beforehand thanks to one of the busiest portal teams in the country. We were not alone in that last week.

There are ways to combat that in-game - we just didn't employ them. It's completely reasonable to expect any team to be caught off guard by that sort of scenario - it's not completely reasonable to not then make any observable adjustments to fight fire with fire.

Maybe my biggest concern for Aranda is that he seems to completely not understand the portal, which many coaches have essentially used to build programs entirely in place of recruiting high school players. He admitted he more or less ignored it until this past offseason. In turn, it would make complete sense then that he would tactically underrate its impact on a team like Texas State, which can completely remake its look in a couple months.

He is being paid way too much to be making this many tactical mistakes. He is in over his head

Seat may be hot, but the contract is like a NASCAR fire suit.

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Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

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This would be a disaster. It would just prolong the suck.

Lame duck years never go well. And if he's firing staff at the end of the season, he's done. Get rid of him and move on.

And fire the one who gave him a stupid, unnecessary extension while you're at it.

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There is the true issue.

Realistically I do not see both a house cleaning of the Athletic Department administration and of the football program occurring within the next 12-13 months. Maybe one will occur without the other within that time but I dont see both occurring in such a short span of time.

It's easy to criticize the ludicrous banter to bring back Art Briles that some have suggested. It's even easier to do it without attacking him as a person, his ethics, etc. To think that there is only one person on earth who can win a bunch of football games at Baylor is equally ludicrous.

Barking up this tree is just annoying noise. Our focus should be holding Pres. Linda and Mack accountable for the Aranda hire. I don't want either of them fired. They just need to pay attention to every detail and figure out if Dave can somehow fix this enormous mess. I have no idea how we'd buy out Aranda with 6 seasons left on his contract. So, if we have him through '24, then Mack needs to study every possible candidate over the next couple of seasons and make an exceptional hire.

Matt Rhule was an EXTRAORDINARY hire. Period, no discussion. Why Mack didn't use the same recipe is beyond me. He has a history of this though. He hired James Dickey at UH before Kelvin Sampson. Then he hired Tony Levine before Tom Herman. A combination of absolute whiffs and home runs.

I'd doubt that to at least 24-36 months

I think some of y'all tend to forget the actual predicament Rhule put Rhoades in. Rhule left in mid January, which might as well be the end of May of a year frankly especially in the modern world where the coaching transition season is over and everyone is set in their new jobs or jobs period by early December. There is really is no choice but to try to hire the best coordinator out there as your HC at that point and then the new guy (in Aranda's defense) has a hell of a time putting a staff together when he starts around the 3rd week of January.

I forget who else was considered before CDA got the offer. Weren't there several experienced HC's that were interviewed? Napier, now at Florida? Of course Joey.

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It's easy to criticize the ludicrous banter to bring back Art Briles that some have suggested. It's even easier to do it without attacking him as a person, his ethics, etc. To think that there is only one person on earth who can win a bunch of football games at Baylor is equally ludicrous.

Barking up this tree is just annoying noise. Our focus should be holding Pres. Linda and Mack accountable for the Aranda hire. I don't want either of them fired. They just need to pay attention to every detail and figure out if Dave can somehow fix this enormous mess. I have no idea how we'd buy out Aranda with 6 seasons left on his contract. So, if we have him through '24, then Mack needs to study every possible candidate over the next couple of seasons and make an exceptional hire.

Matt Rhule was an EXTRAORDINARY hire. Period, no discussion. Why Mack didn't use the same recipe is beyond me. He has a history of this though. He hired James Dickey at UH before Kelvin Sampson. Then he hired Tony Levine before Tom Herman. A combination of absolute whiffs and home runs.

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The Rhule people are the same way, about him. Go on the other board and say there were other Coaches that could have had Rhule's success and you will be run off the Board.

I agree with you, there are numerous Coaches that can be successful. Many will never get the chance to show it. But, there are many that can Coach...

As a Utah fan...this is what scares me about this week. Aranda knows the heat is on and he will have the guys ready to go...both coaches and players fighting to get back on top.

Utah didn't look great against Florida. Our QB situation is a mess and we sometimes struggle on the road...especially early. I also worry that our guys may have a small let down after the Florida game.

This one is going to be fun.

The only thing that's fun is winning; losing ain't fun.

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Aranda knows the heat is on and he will have the guys ready to go...both coaches and players fighting to get back on top.

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Not sure there is much recent evidence of this.

Agree. Insert "Arms crossed and stoic look CDA picture."

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Aranda knows the heat is on and he will have the guys ready to go...both coaches and players fighting to get back on top.

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Not sure there is much recent evidence of this.

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More concerned they are in touch with their inner-selves and that nobody raises their voice. It scares them.

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I think some of y'all tend to forget the actual predicament Rhule put Rhoades in. Rhule left in mid January, which might as well be the end of May of a year frankly especially in the modern world where the coaching transition season is over and everyone is set in their new jobs or jobs period by early December. There is really is no choice but to try to hire the best coordinator out there as your HC at that point and then the new guy (in Aranda's defense) has a hell of a time putting a staff together when he starts around the 3rd week of January.

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That may be the case. However, I find it hard to believe that our search was limited to coordinators with no HC experience.

Who were the coaches that Choades interviewed to replace Rhule?