Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?
McLane sorry for the typo

No, he did not play at McLain.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know the story.

Yes there were carryovers and the roster was gutted. There were 40-45 scholarship players when Rhule showed up. There was exactly 1 Briles recruit on Rhule's team. The rest jumped ship.

I'm curious why you don't know. Are you currently at Baylor, or younger i.e. high school, or what?

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know the story.

Yes there were carryovers and the roster was gutted. There were 40-45 scholarship players when Rhule showed up. There was exactly 1 Briles recruit on Rhule's team. The rest jumped ship.

I'm curious why you don't know. Are you currently at Baylor, or younger i.e. high school, or what?

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have you ever made a typo? You know my point. Briles was the reason and he and Ian were able to convince Drayton to shell out the capital

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I never remarked on your typo. That was someone else.

Sorry Monty. I quote the wrong person

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Sorry Monty. I quote the wrong person

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It's all good.

I'm not fond of grammar police on fan boards. These are not academic discussions and we are not writing research papers here. The only time I point out poor grammar is when posters call other posters idiot or stupid and use incorrect grammar when doing so. The irony of those situations are not lost on me..

I was the grammar police. I too do not usually get caught up on grammar, and I said it tongue in check. Now, I am going to press you on it. It is an alternative spelling at best,not a typo. What would Aggies think if someone typed Brian, Texas instead of Bryan? What if you wrote the capital of Texas is Austyn?

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

ETA: My above statement isn't correct in the sense that there were 45 returning Briles players, and only one Briles recruit.

Obviously you can't make a determination on Aranda after one game, but the overall trend is not good. After looking listless in the bowl game against Air Force we looked exactly the same last night. It is a trend of the last 5-7 games.

Aranda is now officially on the hot seat and should be. A win against Utah, which is highly unlikely, takes him off the offset and onto the warm seat.

Changes have to be made now - either by Aranda or by the school. It is too important time in college football to have a long leash.

The four year internship needs to be over soon.

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montypython said:

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Bearwhiz said:

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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He might have been the only one who stayed from that class but there were a bunch that played under Briles and Rhule.

Hasty, Mims, Plat, Texiada and others

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It's funny how often I got bashed last year for questioning the apparent lack of preparedness of the staff,

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It's what happens with group think.

I had threads deleted last year when I said that Aranda and the WBB coach Collens had to go.

Some people don't have the emotional or mental maturity to receive messages that don't align exactly with the ones they hold.

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There are some extremely aggressive sunshine pumpers involved with this site. Both on the staff and as posters. Me even saying that risks my account being cancelled.

While it is kinda normal among fan bases. The lack of reality of our fans is a part of our problem.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know the story.

There was exactly 1 Briles recruit on Rhule's team.

I'm curious why you don't know. Are you currently at Baylor, or younger i.e. high school, or what?

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Pitre?

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Obviously you can't make a determination on Aranda after one game, but the overall trend is not good. After looking listless in the bowl game against Air Force we looked exactly the same last night. It is a trend of the last 5-7 games.

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Exactly. This isn't a knee-jerk reaction from 1 OOC game gone wrong. It's a trend.

I certainly hope he steers this around so that this season doesn't crater.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know the story.

Yes there were carryovers and the roster was gutted. There were 40-45 scholarship players when Rhule showed up. There was exactly 1 Briles recruit on Rhule's team. The rest jumped ship.

I'm curious why you don't know. Are you currently at Baylor, or younger i.e. high school, or what?

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Pitre?

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Yep. The lone commit who stayed. There were several good articles written about him and that commitment. Here is one.
https://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/113235/qa-baylor-commit-db-jalen-pitre-on-staying-loyal

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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He might have been the only one who stayed from that class but there were a bunch that played under Briles and Rhule.

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Ah, you're right. It looks like there were 45 scholarship players that stayed.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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He might have been the only one who stayed from that class but there were a bunch that played under Briles and Rhule.

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Ah, you're right. It looks like there were 45 scholarship players that stayed.

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That's a ridiculously low number. And very few of those remained by the time we were fielding competitive teams.

To suggest that Rhule was building off Briles' foundation is a joke. What little was left, he demo'd in that first year to build the type of program he wanted here.

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Bearwhiz said:

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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He might have been the only one who stayed from that class but there were a bunch that played under Briles and Rhule.

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Ah, you're right. It looks like there were 45 scholarship players that stayed.

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That's a ridiculously low number. And very few of those remained by the time we were fielding competitive teams.

To suggest that Rhule was building off Briles' foundation is a joke. What little was left, he demo'd in that first year to build the type of program he wanted here.

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Right, I'm not saying Rhule really had much to work with. But it wasn't just Pitre.

I'm not in the Briles apologist crowd who thinks Rhule won with Briles' guys.

Rhule brought in elite dudes.

Aranda done that? We're maybe back at guymo level.

Pre season #8 Or whatever last year to maybe 8th in the cknference preseason this year.

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Bearwhiz said:

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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He might have been the only one who stayed from that class but there were a bunch that played under Briles and Rhule.

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Ah, you're right. It looks like there were 45 scholarship players that stayed.

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That's a ridiculously low number. And very few of those remained by the time we were fielding competitive teams.

To suggest that Rhule was building off Briles' foundation is a joke. What little was left, he demo'd in that first year to build the type of program he wanted here.

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Right, I'm not saying Rhule really had much to work with. But it wasn't just Pitre.

I'm not in the Briles apologist crowd who thinks Rhule won with Briles' guys.

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Rhule definitely benefited from having Mims, Hasty and a few of the linemen on offense and a handful of players on defense. But the core of his 2019 team -- and our 2021 team for that matter -- was made up of guys he recruited and developed.

Unfortunately, we've just not seen that same ability out of Aranda and his staff. If you're going to recruit in the 30s and 40s, you've got to be excellent at identifying the right talent for your system and developing it well. It doesn't seem we've done much of either in recent years.

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Bearwhiz said:

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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Rhule brought in elite dudes.

Aranda done that? We're maybe back at guymo level.

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If we are back at guymo level, I hope it's 2005 guymo because that was his best season.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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May be a little hard to pick it up, but Completely true if you understand what he meant. He was referring to incoming recruits.

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We're not firing Aranda after this season. Personally I want him gone tonight. Not going to happen until at least after 2025 season. Even a $40M buyout would be ridiculous for Baylor to consider.

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Fortunately it won't cost us $40M to toss Mack. Hiring a new AD will be a clear sign to Aranda that his time is up. I have personally wanted Mack gone Since Mulkey left. She would be my choice to replace his sorry arse.

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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Completely false.

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I edited my post because yes, Pitre was the only recruit to follow through from the Briles era but there were 45 returning Briles players.

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Bearwhiz said:

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Did he not play at McLain? Did he not practice at all the facilities. Were there no players from Briles on Rhule' team?

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That's the info nugget we needed. You don't know.

Are you currently enrolled at Baylor? Are you in high school?

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so you are telling me there were not players that Briles recruited playing for Rhule?

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Largely correct. There were no players that Briles recruited except for one--Jalen Pitre. He was the only one who kept his commitment when Rhule took over.

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He might have been the only one who stayed from that class but there were a bunch that played under Briles and Rhule.

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Ah, you're right. It looks like there were 45 scholarship players that stayed.

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That's a ridiculously low number. And very few of those remained by the time we were fielding competitive teams.

To suggest that Rhule was building off Briles' foundation is a joke. What little was left, he demo'd in that first year to build the type of program he wanted here.

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I'm not sure how many of those 45 completed their eligibility here (I'm sure more left after Rhules first and second years), but the guys that did deserve a special plaque outside of the stadium.

Took my dad to his first game on Saturday. He's not a follower of the team and is very quiet. After the game he mentioned that baylors players looked small compared to txst. That wasn't the only time I heard that statement, my wife said the same thing last year during the tcu game. That being said I love dave and want him to succeed, but I just don't think it's going to happen. I hope he proves me wrong. Paul Catalina on the post game show had a really good point. The advantage we had with location is slowly withering away with nil, and new teams coming in and raiding the state of tx. It's only going to get harder and when you are running a wide zone offense when most of the states recruits don't, it makes it really hard to get players here. They need an uptempo offense again. Tx guys running the show make it fun again.

Never been impressed with this wide zone offense. Watched half the 4th q of toad chokers and buffs and wow it was awesome and didn't hold a candle to a decade of baylor.

But all signs point to my handicap going lower

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Took my dad to his first game on Saturday. He's not a follower of the team and is very quiet. After the game he mentioned that baylors players looked small compared to txst. That wasn't the only time I heard that statement, my wife said the same thing last year during the tcu game. That being said I love dave and want him to succeed, but I just don't think it's going to happen. I hope he proves me wrong. Paul Catalina on the post game show had a really good point. The advantage we had with location is slowly withering away with nil, and new teams coming in and raiding the state of tx. It's only going to get harder and when you are running a wide zone offense when most of the states recruits don't, it makes it really hard to get players here. They need an uptempo offense again. Tx guys running the show make it fun again.

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It's because we have absolutely no recruiting hierarchy/strategy/paradigm/whatever you want to call it. Matt Rhule clearly wanted big, husky, lanky corn fed dudes that could put on a lot of weight and throw people around. What is our strategy with aranda? Just seems like we take whoever we can get. No vision of how they fit into the scheme

Rhule also recruited track guys like Briles. Thornton, Barnes, Woods, etc. Get the 3* athletes being overlooked for school size, location, not making the camps, lack of elite production, whatever and coach them up.

Fill the trenches with Roys and Galvins and get Thorntons and Barnes on the outside with an Ebner and a bigger back to play lightning and thunder.

Rhule's X's and O's weren't great, Snow was, but the offense was subpar. As you say though he knew what he wanted recruiting. Had a vision.

Person over player. Not digging the results. Maybe get outside your comfort zone Mack and Dave, go get some dudes.

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TeamPlayer said:

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We're not firing Aranda after this season. Personally I want him gone tonight. Not going to happen until at least after 2025 season. Even a $40M buyout would be ridiculous for Baylor to consider.

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Fortunately it won't cost us $40M to toss Mack. Hiring a new AD will be a clear sign to Aranda that his time is up. I have personally wanted Mack gone Since Mulkey left. She would be my choice to replace his sorry arse.

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. Mack is under contract until 2032. I imagine that buyout is expensive.

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Matt Rhule clearly wanted big, husky, lanky corn fed dudes that could put on a lot of weight and throw people around.

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Not sure what team you were watching. We couldn't pass block or run block.

Each year Rhule was here, we were ranked 110th or worse in sacks allowed per game. To put that in perspective. we were worse than New Mexico State and Toledo. Poor Charlie got his skull knocked in the entire time he played here. That guy was tough as nails and stayed in there.

To be fair, Rhule inherited a mess and by his last year we were ranked #55 in yards per carry - which was our best ranking during his stay.

Aranda inherited mediocre offensive talent and from the looks of things, hasn't done much in development or recruiting on that side of the ball, or any side of the ball from our limited data this year.