WestUBears88 said:

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There may be a good reason he's not working. There was lot of info out there that he had allegedly propositioned a woman - coed ? - at a gas station in Baton Rouge . My realtor has a female friend in who said that he did the same thing to her while serving as HC. I personally don't know if either is true.

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That's correct. Dude is like handling radioactive waste. Too much of a liability.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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jikespingleton said:

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We need to update the candidate list.

Coach Cignetti in year two at Indiana, goes and beats Oregon on the road.
Just in case anyone doesn't know - Indiana blew ass before Cignetti got there (1-8 in conference)

We are in year 6 with Aranda doing what? Going sideways.


Seeing how its unlikely we can pry Cignetti from Indiana, I'll throw KC Keeler's name out there.

He's older, but has taken all of his teams to the top of their respective conferences and even won a title at SHSU. If he can get Temple to the CCG, he immediately becomes my #1.

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I wanted us to hire Cignetti right after our loss to Air Force in 2023. Sure wish we had a Time Machine, but oh well. Right now, I'd metaphorically give my left nut for Golesh at USF. Probably not realistic. I like Keeler except for his age. He's a darn good coach. I know I keep harping on this, but above all else, we have to have somebody with the charisma to mend relationships with some of our big donors.

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This is a terrible year to hire a new coach.

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Unfortunately, I think you are right. All the top candidates have been poached the past 2-3 years. Other than Keeler and maybe Chadwell, no one sticks out to me. Liberty has regressed 2 years in a row, but that could have more to do with players getting poached and or just the natural up and down cycle of build-peak - bust.

Fantasy land time:

how unhappy is Dabo? I get the feeling he hasn't been happy the last couple years. That or he's always like that and I'm misreading his media interviews.

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Dabo's inability to adapt is the primary cause of Clemson's issues right now, so it probably wouldn't make sense to hire him even if he was available as doing to would run the risk of another late career (and expensive) Les Miles, Mike Gundy, etc.

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The programs that are going to be successful long term are the ones that can recruit and develop skilled HS players and keep them. This appears to be Dabo's approach. Those same programs will use the portal as a secondary tool.

I thinking keeping guys is going to be a bit easier in the future as the powers-that-be figure and smooth things out.

Youre a clown said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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jikespingleton said:

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We need to update the candidate list.

Coach Cignetti in year two at Indiana, goes and beats Oregon on the road.
Just in case anyone doesn't know - Indiana blew ass before Cignetti got there (1-8 in conference)

We are in year 6 with Aranda doing what? Going sideways.


Seeing how its unlikely we can pry Cignetti from Indiana, I'll throw KC Keeler's name out there.

He's older, but has taken all of his teams to the top of their respective conferences and even won a title at SHSU. If he can get Temple to the CCG, he immediately becomes my #1.

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I wanted us to hire Cignetti right after our loss to Air Force in 2023. Sure wish we had a Time Machine, but oh well. Right now, I'd metaphorically give my left nut for Golesh at USF. Probably not realistic. I like Keeler except for his age. He's a darn good coach. I know I keep harping on this, but above all else, we have to have somebody with the charisma to mend relationships with some of our big donors.

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This is a terrible year to hire a new coach.

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Unfortunately, I think you are right. All the top candidates have been poached the past 2-3 years. Other than Keeler and maybe Chadwell, no one sticks out to me. Liberty has regressed 2 years in a row, but that could have more to do with players getting poached and or just the natural up and down cycle of build-peak - bust.

Fantasy land time:

how unhappy is Dabo? I get the feeling he hasn't been happy the last couple years. That or he's always like that and I'm misreading his media interviews.

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Dabo's inability to adapt is the primary cause of Clemson's issues right now, so it probably wouldn't make sense to hire him even if he was available as doing to would run the risk of another late career (and expensive) Les Miles, Mike Gundy, etc.

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Dabo's absolute worst season in the last 10 years was nine wins…

Why does Dabo suck after one probable down year this year, but Dave has had down years damn near five out of the six years that he's coached here, and that means that he and Dabo are somehow on the same plane? Make that make sense

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Dave will out win Dabo this year. Dabo has 2 nattys under the old system but let him get Clemp back up under the new system. If Dabo hired JKB they would be back on top but Dabo doesnt know how to run a team in the new world yet.

muddybrazos said:

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Youre a clown said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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jikespingleton said:

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We need to update the candidate list.

Coach Cignetti in year two at Indiana, goes and beats Oregon on the road.
Just in case anyone doesn't know - Indiana blew ass before Cignetti got there (1-8 in conference)

We are in year 6 with Aranda doing what? Going sideways.


Seeing how its unlikely we can pry Cignetti from Indiana, I'll throw KC Keeler's name out there.

He's older, but has taken all of his teams to the top of their respective conferences and even won a title at SHSU. If he can get Temple to the CCG, he immediately becomes my #1.

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I wanted us to hire Cignetti right after our loss to Air Force in 2023. Sure wish we had a Time Machine, but oh well. Right now, I'd metaphorically give my left nut for Golesh at USF. Probably not realistic. I like Keeler except for his age. He's a darn good coach. I know I keep harping on this, but above all else, we have to have somebody with the charisma to mend relationships with some of our big donors.

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This is a terrible year to hire a new coach.

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Unfortunately, I think you are right. All the top candidates have been poached the past 2-3 years. Other than Keeler and maybe Chadwell, no one sticks out to me. Liberty has regressed 2 years in a row, but that could have more to do with players getting poached and or just the natural up and down cycle of build-peak - bust.

Fantasy land time:

how unhappy is Dabo? I get the feeling he hasn't been happy the last couple years. That or he's always like that and I'm misreading his media interviews.

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Dabo's inability to adapt is the primary cause of Clemson's issues right now, so it probably wouldn't make sense to hire him even if he was available as doing to would run the risk of another late career (and expensive) Les Miles, Mike Gundy, etc.

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Dabo's absolute worst season in the last 10 years was nine wins…

Why does Dabo suck after one probable down year this year, but Dave has had down years damn near five out of the six years that he's coached here, and that means that he and Dabo are somehow on the same plane? Make that make sense

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Dave will out win Dabo this year. Dabo has 2 nattys under the old system but let him get Clemp back up under the new system. If Dabo hired JKB they would be back on top but Dabo doesnt know how to run a team in the new world yet.

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None of that negates anything that I said. There haven't been many coaches in the last 10 years that have won more games. sticking our nose up at Dabo when we've got a coach whose second best season as a head coach is still worse than Dabo's second worst season as a coach is odd to me

Youre a clown said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Youre a clown said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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jikespingleton said:

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We need to update the candidate list.

Coach Cignetti in year two at Indiana, goes and beats Oregon on the road.
Just in case anyone doesn't know - Indiana blew ass before Cignetti got there (1-8 in conference)

We are in year 6 with Aranda doing what? Going sideways.


Seeing how its unlikely we can pry Cignetti from Indiana, I'll throw KC Keeler's name out there.

He's older, but has taken all of his teams to the top of their respective conferences and even won a title at SHSU. If he can get Temple to the CCG, he immediately becomes my #1.

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I wanted us to hire Cignetti right after our loss to Air Force in 2023. Sure wish we had a Time Machine, but oh well. Right now, I'd metaphorically give my left nut for Golesh at USF. Probably not realistic. I like Keeler except for his age. He's a darn good coach. I know I keep harping on this, but above all else, we have to have somebody with the charisma to mend relationships with some of our big donors.

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This is a terrible year to hire a new coach.

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Unfortunately, I think you are right. All the top candidates have been poached the past 2-3 years. Other than Keeler and maybe Chadwell, no one sticks out to me. Liberty has regressed 2 years in a row, but that could have more to do with players getting poached and or just the natural up and down cycle of build-peak - bust.

Fantasy land time:

how unhappy is Dabo? I get the feeling he hasn't been happy the last couple years. That or he's always like that and I'm misreading his media interviews.

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Dabo's inability to adapt is the primary cause of Clemson's issues right now, so it probably wouldn't make sense to hire him even if he was available as doing to would run the risk of another late career (and expensive) Les Miles, Mike Gundy, etc.

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Dabo's absolute worst season in the last 10 years was nine wins…

Why does Dabo suck after one probable down year this year, but Dave has had down years damn near five out of the six years that he's coached here, and that means that he and Dabo are somehow on the same plane? Make that make sense

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Dave will out win Dabo this year. Dabo has 2 nattys under the old system but let him get Clemp back up under the new system. If Dabo hired JKB they would be back on top but Dabo doesnt know how to run a team in the new world yet.

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None of that negates anything that I said. There haven't been many coaches in the last 10 years that have won more games. sticking our nose up at Dabo when we've got a coach whose second best season as a head coach is still worse than Dabo's second worst season as a coach is odd to me

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The bolded isn't really relevant here since question on the floor isn't "If Baylor can -only- choose between Dabo and Dave, which should it pick?". To rephrase, Baylor turning down Dabo does not automatically mean Dave is the answer.

The following is true: If a P4 head coach at a high resource and high recruiting program both relative to its conference and nationally (i.e. Clemson) was really successful pre-NIL and then was substantially less successful post-NIL, that coach would likely not be as successful at a middling resource/recruiting P4.

Youre a clown said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Youre a clown said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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jikespingleton said:

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We need to update the candidate list.

Coach Cignetti in year two at Indiana, goes and beats Oregon on the road.
Just in case anyone doesn't know - Indiana blew ass before Cignetti got there (1-8 in conference)

We are in year 6 with Aranda doing what? Going sideways.


Seeing how its unlikely we can pry Cignetti from Indiana, I'll throw KC Keeler's name out there.

He's older, but has taken all of his teams to the top of their respective conferences and even won a title at SHSU. If he can get Temple to the CCG, he immediately becomes my #1.

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I wanted us to hire Cignetti right after our loss to Air Force in 2023. Sure wish we had a Time Machine, but oh well. Right now, I'd metaphorically give my left nut for Golesh at USF. Probably not realistic. I like Keeler except for his age. He's a darn good coach. I know I keep harping on this, but above all else, we have to have somebody with the charisma to mend relationships with some of our big donors.

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This is a terrible year to hire a new coach.

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Unfortunately, I think you are right. All the top candidates have been poached the past 2-3 years. Other than Keeler and maybe Chadwell, no one sticks out to me. Liberty has regressed 2 years in a row, but that could have more to do with players getting poached and or just the natural up and down cycle of build-peak - bust.

Fantasy land time:

how unhappy is Dabo? I get the feeling he hasn't been happy the last couple years. That or he's always like that and I'm misreading his media interviews.

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Dabo's inability to adapt is the primary cause of Clemson's issues right now, so it probably wouldn't make sense to hire him even if he was available as doing to would run the risk of another late career (and expensive) Les Miles, Mike Gundy, etc.

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Dabo's absolute worst season in the last 10 years was nine wins…

Why does Dabo suck after one probable down year this year, but Dave has had down years damn near five out of the six years that he's coached here, and that means that he and Dabo are somehow on the same plane? Make that make sense

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Dave will out win Dabo this year. Dabo has 2 nattys under the old system but let him get Clemp back up under the new system. If Dabo hired JKB they would be back on top but Dabo doesnt know how to run a team in the new world yet.

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None of that negates anything that I said. There haven't been many coaches in the last 10 years that have won more games. sticking our nose up at Dabo when we've got a coach whose second best season as a head coach is still worse than Dabo's second worst season as a coach is odd to me

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It doesnt even matter bc Dabo is not getting fired and he's never coming to Baylor.

WestUBears88 said:

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There may be a good reason he's not working. There was lot of info out there that he had allegedly propositioned a woman - coed ? - at a gas station in Baton Rouge . My realtor has a female friend in who said that he did the same thing to her while serving as HC. I personally don't know if either is true.

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Even if the allegations weren't out there, he would be a bad fit as a HC.

Yes, he did have 2019, but that was a once in a lifetime mix of things that he won't ever be able to duplicate.

Per request(s) I've added candidates.

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So what, the guy took a couple years off, he was 51-20 at LSU and of course he won a National title.
he is suppose to be a very good recruiter and great motivator. Something we haven't seen at Baylor in over 5 years.

lets face it, we can't get a Franklin or a Dabo, or any of the Blueblood coaches. Atleast get a coach with a pedigree.

Wasnt Ogeron in Waco earlier this year. Friends with Aranda?
Not going to happen but it would be a hoot if they hire Ogeron as HC and he keeps Aranda as defensive coordinator.

Barry Odom

Doubt he would leave Purdue or that we could afford him, but I think former Mizzou and UNLV coach Barry Odom would possibly be a good fit. Given the Texas recruiting resources and our facilities, he might be able to build a strong program here.

I'm coming around to Will Stein. I think he is the guy we need. Has coached at Texas, Lake Travis, UTSA and now Oregon OC. Get him while we can.

Could a OC and DC co-exist? Would you need a head coach?

I really liked EO as a coach.
And he was great with the kids, and they liked him a lot as I recall.
He had a confidence and vocal and supportive presence that worked well with what were some good teams of coaches at the time.
Unfortunately, his assertive and vibrant, brassy personality didn't meld well with the country club mentality, nor brass, of USC to be hired as the head coach. Even after he had stepped in successfully as interim.
He would be an interesting hire for BU, but I can't see it happening.
Especially in light of the fact that his brassiness was a little too much for SC.

We need a guy who has proven he can lead a program. The data shows that's the way to go.

Briles - turned houston around and took them to 2 first place finishes in their division
Rhule - turned temple around, won conference titles


Guys that were never college head coaches prior to us hiring them:

Reedy - 13-16 in conference overall, 1-7 in his last season
Steele - just a complete failure in every way
Aranda - once Rhules players left, we ended up at 3-9, 2 years after a conference championship. Churns through coordinators. Our defense is terrible. At best we are going sideways.

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Jimmy Rogers is now at Washington state.

A lot of people don't want to hear about moral victories, but Washington State is pretty much a crap pile of a program. On Saturday, they lost to a ranked Virginia by two points, and the Saturday before last, they lost to a top 10 Ole Miss squad by 3 points. I strongly believe the guy would kill it with actual resources

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He has his team playing some tough football against some good teams.

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If guys like that are the kind of dudes we are looking at, we are in serious trouble..

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We are in serious trouble. We hired Art Briles away from Houston. Anyone think we could hire Fritz? Didn't think so. Top talent is going to have reservations about coming somewhere with a track record of throwing successful head coaches under the bus.

Franklin might come because he just got fired. EM might come because he isn't fully on the radar yet. Rogers might come because WSU's resources are poor. Not sure about Traylor. My guess is he holds out for a bigger stage. We have a snowball's chance in hell of hiring a guy like Cignetti away from IU.

Across the board, Baylor athletics has been on a downward trajectory under Mack Rhodes. He needs to be replaced as well.

Aranda will be back next. WHEN a change is made Baylor will not get a high profile coach as many here want or speculate.

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I really liked EO as a coach.
And he was great with the kids, and they liked him a lot as I recall.
He had a confidence and vocal and supportive presence that worked well with what were some good teams of coaches at the time.
Unfortunately, his assertive and vibrant, brassy personality didn't meld well with the country club mentality, nor brass, of USC to be hired as the head coach. Even after he had stepped in successfully as interim.
He would be an interesting hire for BU, but I can't see it happening.
Especially in light of the fact that his brassiness was a little too much for SC.

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He'd never fit here unfortunately. The top brass at USC are entirely different than the guys and gals that run this place. Nevertheless both feel O is beneath their dignity. After all he wins, recruits lights out and the kids loved him.

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If guys like that are the kind of dudes we are looking at, we are in serious trouble..

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We are in serious trouble. We hired Art Briles away from Houston. Anyone think we could hire Fritz? Didn't think so. Top talent is going to have reservations about coming somewhere with a track record of throwing successful head coaches under the bus.

Franklin might come because he just got fired. EM might come because he isn't fully on the radar yet. Rogers might come because WSU's resources are poor. Not sure about Traylor. My guess is he holds out for a bigger stage. We have a snowball's chance in hell of hiring a guy like Cignetti away from IU.

Across the board, Baylor athletics has been on a downward trajectory under Mack Rhodes. He needs to be replaced as well.

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Houston wasn't a peer school from a football perspective when Baylor hired Briles, so it's a bit unfair to not at least acknowledge that in the sense that virtually no one in the Big 12 will be hiring head coaches from their conference mates for the same job moving forward.

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Aranda will be back next. WHEN a change is made Baylor will not get a high profile coach as many here want or speculate.

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That is probably accurate.

However, being a fan board the discussion will happen nonetheless..

jikespingleton said:

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We need a guy who has proven he can lead a program. The data shows that's the way to go.

Briles - turned houston around and took them to 2 first place finishes in their division
Rhule - turned temple around, won conference titles


Guys that were never college head coaches prior to us hiring them:

Reedy - 13-16 in conference overall, 1-7 in his last season
Steele - just a complete failure in every way
Aranda - once Rhules players left, we ended up at 3-9, 2 years after a conference championship. Churns through coordinators. Our defense is terrible. At best we are going sideways.

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Absolutely. Need someone who has turned a program around as a Head. Or bring Briles back - seriously. If they can find this type of replacement, I'd say move on and start the rebuilding now . The dilemma this year is we have some good recruits signing December 10. It's still not enough to win next year under this leadership.. good to start as soon as possible.

WestUBears88 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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We need a guy who has proven he can lead a program. The data shows that's the way to go.

Briles - turned houston around and took them to 2 first place finishes in their division
Rhule - turned temple around, won conference titles


Guys that were never college head coaches prior to us hiring them:

Reedy - 13-16 in conference overall, 1-7 in his last season
Steele - just a complete failure in every way
Aranda - once Rhules players left, we ended up at 3-9, 2 years after a conference championship. Churns through coordinators. Our defense is terrible. At best we are going sideways.

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Absolutely. Need someone who has turned a program around as a Head. Or bring Briles back - seriously. If they can find this type of replacement, I'd say move on and start the rebuilding now . The dilemma this year is we have some good recruits signing December 10. It's still not enough to win next year under this leadership.. good to start as soon as possible.

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Recruiting well out of the high school ranks is OK, but who you can bring in through the transfer portal is a much stronger indicator of success in the w/l column