Apparently Art Briles was on the field during the Oklahoma game today Venables said

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As an 18 year old I knew when I signed to come to Baylor that I was going to be upheld to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than had I signed with UT, TT, UH, SMU or A&M. I also knew as an 18 year old that I did not want to embarrass my family, birthplace or teammates by doing something stupid or even taking a chance on being guilty of poor behavior. I actually feared I might lose my scholarship. I arrived a sheltered country boy who had never been in a bar or tavern, never knew how to order a mixed drink, etc. I for sure had never been around so many beautiful women!

When a grown man, who had multiple stops while climbing the coaching ladder, does not throttle his players, constantly review the Baylor University Mission Statement in a language that all can understand, and has a hands off approach to discipline you just knew something bad was going to happen. Sure enough it did and there were plenty of warning signs a few years in advance. (Imagine how many there really were as most infractions are dealt with "in-house").

Coaches realize very early that football players are high maintenance in that their sex drives, alcohol intake and risk taking runs at a high level and needs to be managed early and often. The coaches know who the loose cannons are and make plans to manage accordingly.

If an 18 year old (non-Baptist) took it upon himself to understand the BAYLOR WAY of doing things and annually re-grouped to know how much rope he had to play with, I have ZERO sympathy for grown men to not understand and play within the Baylor Way. All coaches on the staff should have been for all intents and purposes baby-sitting players and particularly those they knew were "bad dudes".

Grant reminded us often of rules and regulations and we flirted with them often but very, very seldom was a player allowed to get to the point of stepping over the line.

This black eye given to Baylor is the fault primarily of the lax coaching staff, outlaw or "swagger" environment allowed, attitudes and arrogance of that staff.
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Chuckroast said:

Robert Wilson said:

Frank Galvin said:

I understand he made mistakes. But how did he become the most evil man in America?


Well, we did that to him. On purpose. To protect ourselves. Go Jesus.


Too bad we didn't just flush that entire board and start over.. it's long overdue, but I really wish the current board could put out some type of statement supportive of Briles as a person and that he doesn't deserve the knee-jerk judgment he is receiving. How did we get to the point that his presence cannot even be tolerated? That is truly sad.
Its been over 2600 days since termination. Too late.
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ART BRILES??!!!

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Thee University said:

As an 18 year old I knew when I signed to come to Baylor that I was going to be upheld to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than had I signed with UT, TT, UH, SMU or A&M. I also knew as an 18 year old that I did not want to embarrass my family, birthplace or teammates by doing something stupid or even taking a chance on being guilty of poor behavior. I actually feared I might lose my scholarship. I arrived a sheltered country boy who had never been in a bar or tavern, never knew how to order a mixed drink, etc. I for sure had never been around so many beautiful women!

When a grown man, who had multiple stops while climbing the coaching ladder, does not throttle his players, constantly review the Baylor University Mission Statement in a language that all can understand, and has a hands off approach to discipline you just knew something bad was going to happen. Sure enough it did and there were plenty of warning signs a few years in advance. (Imagine how many there really were as most infractions are dealt with "in-house").

Coaches realize very early that football players are high maintenance in that their sex drives, alcohol intake and risk taking runs at a high level and needs to be managed early and often. The coaches know who the loose cannons are and make plans to manage accordingly.

If an 18 year old (non-Baptist) took it upon himself to understand the BAYLOR WAY of doing things and annually re-grouped to know how much rope he had to play with, I have ZERO sympathy for grown men to not understand and play within the Baylor Way. All coaches on the staff should have been for all intents and purposes baby-sitting players and particularly those they knew were "bad dudes".

Grant reminded us often of rules and regulations and we flirted with them often but very, very seldom was a player allowed to get to the point of stepping over the line.

This black eye given to Baylor is the fault primarily of the lax coaching staff, outlaw or "swagger" environment allowed, attitudes and arrogance of that staff.

OK
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TysonTCU said:

Thee University said:

As an 18 year old I knew when I signed to come to Baylor that I was going to be upheld to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than had I signed with UT, TT, UH, SMU or A&M. I also knew as an 18 year old that I did not want to embarrass my family, birthplace or teammates by doing something stupid or even taking a chance on being guilty of poor behavior. I actually feared I might lose my scholarship. I arrived a sheltered country boy who had never been in a bar or tavern, never knew how to order a mixed drink, etc. I for sure had never been around so many beautiful women!

When a grown man, who had multiple stops while climbing the coaching ladder, does not throttle his players, constantly review the Baylor University Mission Statement in a language that all can understand, and has a hands off approach to discipline you just knew something bad was going to happen. Sure enough it did and there were plenty of warning signs a few years in advance. (Imagine how many there really were as most infractions are dealt with "in-house").

Coaches realize very early that football players are high maintenance in that their sex drives, alcohol intake and risk taking runs at a high level and needs to be managed early and often. The coaches know who the loose cannons are and make plans to manage accordingly.

If an 18 year old (non-Baptist) took it upon himself to understand the BAYLOR WAY of doing things and annually re-grouped to know how much rope he had to play with, I have ZERO sympathy for grown men to not understand and play within the Baylor Way. All coaches on the staff should have been for all intents and purposes baby-sitting players and particularly those they knew were "bad dudes".

Grant reminded us often of rules and regulations and we flirted with them often but very, very seldom was a player allowed to get to the point of stepping over the line.

This black eye given to Baylor is the fault primarily of the lax coaching staff, outlaw or "swagger" environment allowed, attitudes and arrogance of that staff.

OK


fans or alumni of rape enabling programs like TCU have no need to comment on this subject. Anyone who sends their daughter to TCU with their current staff in place is asking for their daughter to be raped
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Venables quote: " It shouldn't have happened and it was my expectation it never would, based on boundaries we previously set. I've addressed it with the appropriate staff."

Did those boundaries include the general prohibition, "no family allowed on the field after the game," or was it more "no Art Briles allowed to be with his family on the field after the game?"

The difference matters.
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geoman said:

Venables quote: " It shouldn't have happened and it was my expectation it never would, based on boundaries we previously set. I've addressed it with the appropriate staff."

Did those boundaries include the general prohibition, "no family allowed on the field after the game," or was it more "no Art Briles allowed to be with his family on the field after the game?"

The difference matters.


If they agreed, it doesn't matter if it's specific to Art Briles himself or not.
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Redbrickbear said:

Frank Galvin said:

I understand he made mistakes. But how did he become the most evil man in America?


The media

They can start wars and whip up moral and disease pandemics…..

Always beware the media system
when you want credibility but not really.
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If Art Briles only interacted with his family at the game then this is a stupid outrage but of course Art Briles has to be public enemy #1 in college football.
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geoman said:

Venables quote: " It shouldn't have happened and it was my expectation it never would, based on boundaries we previously set. I've addressed it with the appropriate staff."

Did those boundaries include the general prohibition, "no family allowed on the field after the game," or was it more "no Art Briles allowed to be with his family on the field after the game?"

The difference matters.
We'll never know what the rules in place actually were. Because, unlike Baylor, other schools have mastered the art of saying something without actually saying anything when responding to a PR crisis. (See: Chris Petersen "fully apprising" Baylor on the circumstances around a player dismissal.)
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ScottS said:

gobears20 said:


Lebby knows how to stand up to the media
I hate the follow up response from the "journalist" about "a lot of people probably won't square with that (or whatever he said."

Why is Art Briles not allowed to have a life? Why is he not allowed to go anywhere?

Yet Mike Tyson who went to PRISON for rape is a media darling.

Or the other celebs that have had open rape, assault, murder cases and no one ever says anything about them...
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Gotta keep him from coaching less you run the risk of a dynasty being built that isn't yours. Worked out for the orange cows and land thieves.
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Thee University said:

As an 18 year old I knew when I signed to come to Baylor that I was going to be upheld to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than had I signed with UT, TT, UH, SMU or A&M. I also knew as an 18 year old that I did not want to embarrass my family, birthplace or teammates by doing something stupid or even taking a chance on being guilty of poor behavior. I actually feared I might lose my scholarship. I arrived a sheltered country boy who had never been in a bar or tavern, never knew how to order a mixed drink, etc. I for sure had never been around so many beautiful women!

When a grown man, who had multiple stops while climbing the coaching ladder, does not throttle his players, constantly review the Baylor University Mission Statement in a language that all can understand, and has a hands off approach to discipline you just knew something bad was going to happen. Sure enough it did and there were plenty of warning signs a few years in advance. (Imagine how many there really were as most infractions are dealt with "in-house").

Coaches realize very early that football players are high maintenance in that their sex drives, alcohol intake and risk taking runs at a high level and needs to be managed early and often. The coaches know who the loose cannons are and make plans to manage accordingly.

If an 18 year old (non-Baptist) took it upon himself to understand the BAYLOR WAY of doing things and annually re-grouped to know how much rope he had to play with, I have ZERO sympathy for grown men to not understand and play within the Baylor Way. All coaches on the staff should have been for all intents and purposes baby-sitting players and particularly those they knew were "bad dudes".

Grant reminded us often of rules and regulations and we flirted with them often but very, very seldom was a player allowed to get to the point of stepping over the line.

This black eye given to Baylor is the fault primarily of the lax coaching staff, outlaw or "swagger" environment allowed, attitudes and arrogance of that staff.
I had no idea GT also worked for the Waco PD and was in charge of investigations of criminal acts back then as well as running the football team.

Get out of here with the babysitting comments or bad dudes. That is just stupid. We did not have players that were known to be "bad dudes"
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cowboycwr said:

ScottS said:

gobears20 said:


Lebby knows how to stand up to the media
I hate the follow up response from the "journalist" about "a lot of people probably won't square with that (or whatever he said."

Why is Art Briles not allowed to have a life? Why is he not allowed to go anywhere?

Yet Mike Tyson who went to PRISON for rape is a media darling.

Or the other celebs that have had open rape, assault, murder cases and no one ever says anything about them...

It's not like Art Briles went into the locker room, started talking to recruits, applied for a job at OU or went on a tyrannical rant about his innocence.

He went to the stadium, watched the game and then visited with his son-in-law afterwards.

If OU is so high and mighty, they should fire Jeff Lebby and ban his kids and future generations from coming on to campus.

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cowboycwr said:

Thee University said:

As an 18 year old I knew when I signed to come to Baylor that I was going to be upheld to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than had I signed with UT, TT, UH, SMU or A&M. I also knew as an 18 year old that I did not want to embarrass my family, birthplace or teammates by doing something stupid or even taking a chance on being guilty of poor behavior. I actually feared I might lose my scholarship. I arrived a sheltered country boy who had never been in a bar or tavern, never knew how to order a mixed drink, etc. I for sure had never been around so many beautiful women!

When a grown man, who had multiple stops while climbing the coaching ladder, does not throttle his players, constantly review the Baylor University Mission Statement in a language that all can understand, and has a hands off approach to discipline you just knew something bad was going to happen. Sure enough it did and there were plenty of warning signs a few years in advance. (Imagine how many there really were as most infractions are dealt with "in-house").

Coaches realize very early that football players are high maintenance in that their sex drives, alcohol intake and risk taking runs at a high level and needs to be managed early and often. The coaches know who the loose cannons are and make plans to manage accordingly.

If an 18 year old (non-Baptist) took it upon himself to understand the BAYLOR WAY of doing things and annually re-grouped to know how much rope he had to play with, I have ZERO sympathy for grown men to not understand and play within the Baylor Way. All coaches on the staff should have been for all intents and purposes baby-sitting players and particularly those they knew were "bad dudes".

Grant reminded us often of rules and regulations and we flirted with them often but very, very seldom was a player allowed to get to the point of stepping over the line.

This black eye given to Baylor is the fault primarily of the lax coaching staff, outlaw or "swagger" environment allowed, attitudes and arrogance of that staff.


Get out of here with the babysitting comments or bad dudes. That is just stupid. We did not have players that were known to be "bad dudes"


I think the "bad dudes" came from Art.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-docs-say-art-briles-questioned-why-woman-was-with-bad-dudes-from-team-after-rape-allegation-014650195.html

I think the majority of past and present players are good dudes....but every program across the country with 100+ players is prolly gonna have a few bad dudes.
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I seem to recall that those "bad dudes" Art referred to may have already been dismissed from the team when he made those comments. Does that change the narrative?
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cowboycwr said:

Thee University said:

As an 18 year old I knew when I signed to come to Baylor that I was going to be upheld to a MUCH higher standard of conduct than had I signed with UT, TT, UH, SMU or A&M. I also knew as an 18 year old that I did not want to embarrass my family, birthplace or teammates by doing something stupid or even taking a chance on being guilty of poor behavior. I actually feared I might lose my scholarship. I arrived a sheltered country boy who had never been in a bar or tavern, never knew how to order a mixed drink, etc. I for sure had never been around so many beautiful women!

When a grown man, who had multiple stops while climbing the coaching ladder, does not throttle his players, constantly review the Baylor University Mission Statement in a language that all can understand, and has a hands off approach to discipline you just knew something bad was going to happen. Sure enough it did and there were plenty of warning signs a few years in advance. (Imagine how many there really were as most infractions are dealt with "in-house").

Coaches realize very early that football players are high maintenance in that their sex drives, alcohol intake and risk taking runs at a high level and needs to be managed early and often. The coaches know who the loose cannons are and make plans to manage accordingly.

If an 18 year old (non-Baptist) took it upon himself to understand the BAYLOR WAY of doing things and annually re-grouped to know how much rope he had to play with, I have ZERO sympathy for grown men to not understand and play within the Baylor Way. All coaches on the staff should have been for all intents and purposes baby-sitting players and particularly those they knew were "bad dudes".

Grant reminded us often of rules and regulations and we flirted with them often but very, very seldom was a player allowed to get to the point of stepping over the line.

This black eye given to Baylor is the fault primarily of the lax coaching staff, outlaw or "swagger" environment allowed, attitudes and arrogance of that staff.
I had no idea GT also worked for the Waco PD and was in charge of investigations of criminal acts back then as well as running the football team.

Get out of here with the babysitting comments or bad dudes. That is just stupid. We did not have players that were known to be "bad dudes"
I was there for 4 years. The Waco Police Dept. showed up at Baylor Stadium a few times during practice for some unspoken reasons. Grant had us on short leashes. Some very short. Others longer. The fear of going too far was often recited.

I know 40-45 years ago things were different. But then again they are very much the same. I call it babysitting. It was warnings as to how this was going to work going forward after smoke was seen wafting out of Brooks Hall.

Art himself referred to some of his own players as "bad dudes. His words, not mine.
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Jack Bauer said:

cowboycwr said:

ScottS said:

gobears20 said:


Lebby knows how to stand up to the media
I hate the follow up response from the "journalist" about "a lot of people probably won't square with that (or whatever he said."

Why is Art Briles not allowed to have a life? Why is he not allowed to go anywhere?

Yet Mike Tyson who went to PRISON for rape is a media darling.

Or the other celebs that have had open rape, assault, murder cases and no one ever says anything about them...

It's not like Art Briles went into the locker room, started talking to recruits, applied for a job at OU or went on a tyrannical rant about his innocence.

He went to the stadium, watched the game and then visited with his son-in-law afterwards.

If OU is so high and mighty, they should fire Jeff Lebby and ban his kids and future generations from coming on to campus.


Coaches absolutely hate distractions and having to answer questions about incidents they had no warning about.

OU was right. They are having to answer questions that they had just soon not answer given the potential for this entire innocent situation to get out of hand.

Was this innocent or was this planned? As a Baylor fan and the fact that it overwhelmingly affects OU negatively, I don't care.
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ImABearToo said:

I seem to recall that those "bad dudes" Art referred to may have already been dismissed from the team when he made those comments. Does that change the narrative?
They had not yet been dismissed when he asked why the girls were hanging around them.
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the fact that it overwhelmingly affects OU negatively, I don't care

This is what matters to me as well.
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That's not good enough. Lebby's kids need to publicly disown their grandfather and be adopted by Brenda Tracy.
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Killing Floor said:

the fact that it overwhelmingly affects OU negatively, I don't care

This is what matters to me as well.


I don't mind seeing OU catch heat, but unfortunately several articles about this OU incident are going on to rehash the BU scandal also. The gift that keeps on giving.
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Look near the end of his time at Baylor, CAB was destroying OU. That is the real issue here. I was the the 40-14 game at OU in 2014. It was glorious seeing a tidal wave of red exit their stadium.
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The biggest question out of all of this is will Lebby get fired, or does OU care more about winning that they retroactively do about some blackout drunk Baylor women 8-10 years ago? I'm not victim blaming, it takes two to tango, but that's the reality of it.
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Grizz Air said:

The biggest question out of all of this is will Lebby get fired, or does OU care more about winning that they retroactively do about some blackout drunk Baylor women 8-10 years ago? I'm not victim blaming, it takes two to tango, but that's the reality of it.

See how they handled the Joe Mixom issue.
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What I have been able to glean from the media is that Art Briles is guilty of not dismissing players based on allegations.

Does anyone do that? Isn't there a matter of Due Process being overlooked here?

When allegations become facts, then apply discipline. It seems that Baylor and most of the country accepted allegations as gospel and never waited for the process to play itself out before acting. In the process they fired a coach who WAS waiting for the facts to emerge before taking disciplinary action.

Enough time has elapsed since Briles' dismissal to review this without emotion and that is how it appears to me.
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Jack Bauer said:

cowboycwr said:

ScottS said:

gobears20 said:


Lebby knows how to stand up to the media
I hate the follow up response from the "journalist" about "a lot of people probably won't square with that (or whatever he said."

Why is Art Briles not allowed to have a life? Why is he not allowed to go anywhere?

Yet Mike Tyson who went to PRISON for rape is a media darling.

Or the other celebs that have had open rape, assault, murder cases and no one ever says anything about them...

It's not like Art Briles went into the locker room, started talking to recruits, applied for a job at OU or went on a tyrannical rant about his innocence.

He went to the stadium, watched the game and then visited with his son-in-law afterwards.

If OU is so high and mighty, they should fire Jeff Lebby and ban his kids and future generations from coming on to campus.




I'm disappointed that Venables did not handle it better. He just sucked up to the media.
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ImABearToo said:

I seem to recall that those "bad dudes" Art referred to may have already been dismissed from the team when he made those comments. Does that change the narrative?



That's exactly it. He was referring to people he had dismissed from the team.
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I guess it's possible that Lebby was told to avoid appearances that Briles was affiliated with their perfectly pure program. I doubt he took that to mean he couldn't visit with family after the game.

And does anyone have the slightest doubt that one of the reasons he was hired was because he had direct access to one of the most brilliant offensive innovators in the history of college football?
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Reverend said:

I guess it's possible that Lebby was told to avoid appearances that Briles was affiliated with their perfectly pure program. I doubt he took that to mean he couldn't visit with family after the game.

And does anyone have the slightest doubt that one of the reasons he was hired was because he had direct access to one of the most brilliant offensive innovators in the history of college football?


Arkansas, Ole Miss, Florida Atlantic, TCU, Oklahoma….have all received some type of insight or exchanged ideas with CAB when Jeff and Kendall were coordinators there. That's what makes this whole ridiculous uproar even more upsetting.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2728817-art-briles-involvement-in-faus-offense-discussed-by-son-kendal-lane-kiffin
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Coach Briles should sue any reporter who includes the phrase "disgraced former coach" for slander. Baylor paid him $15 million on his way out & gave him a letter stating he did nothing wrong.

If I were Baylor's AD, I would hire him as my new HC. And go win the Big 12.
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Im so sick of people caving to the media. If I were in charge I would irritate the fire out of them. Daily. The ultimate media troll.
 
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