Even with Shapen coming back, the OL won't be able to protect him much. I'm actually not sure who we can beat. I do think we get to 3 maybe 4 wins this season if things go well, but the bar could be lower.

Can someone talk me off this ledge?

Edit: if you were on record as someone who thought we could beat UT, please add an asterisk to your post so I can weigh your opinion accordingly.

UH
ISU

That's about it and we could easily fumble those.

TCU could easily be a series record win for TCU. Fully expect this team to have no idea they even have a game that day much less be prepared to play

UCF is gonna piss pound us and they aren't even good. Joey will have Tech ready for a war and Dave will have us ready for a pillow fight. @KSU and @TCU are losses. Will struggle to move the ball on ISU who also sucks. Best bet is Houston. 2-10 campaign and Aranda gets another extension for being a good leader of men

TT

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Even with Shapen coming back, the D won't be able to protect him much. I'm actually not sure who we can beat. I do think we get to 3 maybe 4 wins this season if things go well, but the bar could be lower.

Can someone talk me off this ledge?

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We are in a complete dog **** state and dont' deserve to win anymore games. But our conference is so bad this year I'd wager we win 1 or 2 more.

IowaBear said:

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UCF is gonna piss pound us and they aren't even good. Joey will have Tech ready for a war and Dave will have us ready for a pillow fight. @KSU and @TCU are losses. Will struggle to move the ball on ISU who also sucks. Best bet is Houston. 2-10 campaign and Aranda gets another extension for being a good leader of men

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UCF will probably score a lot of points, but that team is bad against the run. They gave up over 200 yards and four touchdowns to a back who hadn't reached the end zone all season before tonight.

We'll have some opportunities offensively against them.

I wouldn't predict a win in that one based on what I've seen from both teams, though.

I think our wins, if we get them, will come from the pool of Texas Tech, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Houston and West Virginia. Unfortunately, we'd likely have to go five for five against that group to make a bowl game, and there's virtually no way that happens with this bunch.

LOL West Virginia. We ain't beating them. That is a coach coaching for his job. We have a coach coaching part time and playing tiddly winks with the AD

1-11 is your answer in year 4. If this team has championship talent, ask yourself how many of our guys start for UT, OU or TCU.

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LOL West Virginia. We ain't beating them. That is a coach coaching for his job.

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They're still not any good -- at least on the offensive side of the ball. They've played well defensively, so that will likely be an ugly, low-scoring game.

There's also a good chance one or both coaches will have been fired by then.

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1-11 is your answer in year 4. If this team has championship talent, ask yourself how many of our guys start for UT, OU or TCU.

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TCU doesn't belong in that group. They haven't played anyone yet and lost at home to a Colorado team that got steamrolled by an actually good team today.

I think 3-9 is likely the ceiling and that's only because of how many weak teams are in the B12 this season. And it may well be worse than that. This really feels like a return to the misery of the Steele/GuyMo years.

Johnny Bear said:

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I think 3-9 is likely the ceiling and that's only because of how many weak teams are in the B12 this season. And it may well be worse than that. This really feels like a return to the misery of the Steele/GuyMo years.

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Agree. It is possible this team improves and gels by season end, but don't see it. Lots of apathy and give up that will probably get worse as the season goes on

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Bearwhiz said:

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1-11 is your answer in year 4. If this team has championship talent, ask yourself how many of our guys start for UT, OU or TCU.

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TCU doesn't belong in that group. They haven't played anyone yet and lost at home to a Colorado team that got steamrolled by an actually good team today.

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you might be right about TCU but I bet they beat our ass

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bear2be2 said:

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Bearwhiz said:

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1-11 is your answer in year 4. If this team has championship talent, ask yourself how many of our guys start for UT, OU or TCU.

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TCU doesn't belong in that group. They haven't played anyone yet and lost at home to a Colorado team that got steamrolled by an actually good team today.

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you might be right about TCU but I bet they beat our ass

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That's not saying a whole lot.

My best friend from church is a Tech grad. He came over to watch Notre Dame vs Ohio St. with me tonight (see what I did there?) and we had an argument over who sucked more. It was a fun debate on who would lose to the other: We finally agreed Baylor would.

We don't have a basher for a RB and that is needed for the offense we run.

With our offensive production, we are looking at 3 wins max this year.


You may laugh - I actually feel we have some pretty good players and I think they could get to 6 wins - with a different coaching staff.

Guy Morris was a better coach than Aranda. At least he recognized the importance of actually having an offensive line.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Even with Shapen coming back, the OL won't be able to protect him much. I'm actually not sure who we can beat. I do think we get to 3 maybe 4 wins this season if things go well, but the bar could be lower.

Can someone talk me off this ledge?

Edit: if you were on record as someone who thought we could beat UT, please add an asterisk to your post so I can weigh your opinion accordingly.

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Basketball

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Even with Shapen coming back, the OL won't be able to protect him much. I'm actually not sure who we can beat. I do think we get to 3 maybe 4 wins this season if things go well, but the bar could be lower.

Can someone talk me off this ledge?

Edit: if you were on record as someone who thought we could beat UT, please add an asterisk to your post so I can weigh your opinion accordingly.

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To be fair, 2 of Baylor's 3 losses have come to top ten teams in the AP poll that will be released today, and it's reasonably fair to assume that both of those teams will finish the season ranked (and possibly conference champions*). To drill further, Baylor looked okay vs the one with average recruiting and poor vs the one with elite recruiting, and that makes it difficult to assess where this team lies in the spectrum in terms of strength.

That being said, the Big 12 doesn't look like a gauntlet, so none of the remaining games should be penned in as auto losses - although the games @TCU and @KSU would potentially be the closest things to that. Baylor should have a solid shot at each of the other games, and that would make six wins possible but it's not clear how likely that will be. We will know more based on whether or not Baylor beats UCF.

*The third team that Baylor lost to currently is in the hunt for a conference title as well.

we won't be whackin' weeds, that's for sure.

- kkm

probably for the best, ends the season quicker and saves more embarrassment.

shreveport, we hardly knew ye.

2 words

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If we "need" to win 5 more games to become bowl eligible there are simply 0 chances we get there with Blake or Sawyer.

Wyoming and Rice game Texas much better games than we did. Both hung around through 3 quarters. The game yesterday was over mid-way into the 2nd. We might be the worst power 5 team in football.

Houston and Iowa St. Something would have to drastically change/click to win any others. Although Tech is the only regional team this program isn't completely intimidated against so maybe that one.

Good to note this is all in a pathetic year for the big 12. Hard to believe

Killing Floor said:

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If we "need" to win 5 more games to become bowl eligible there are simply 0 chances we get there with Blake or Sawyer.

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Lol no way this is a serious take

That's because they aren't all that good. They are solid, the weak side of cfb this year and the soft fan bases who still defer to name teams make it seem different.

It was a fireable performance outside of playing a motivated 2022 Georgia type team.

BaylorLit 01 said:

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Wyoming and Rice game Texas much better games than we did. Both hung around through 3 quarters. The game yesterday was over mid-way into the 2nd. We might be the worst power 5 team in football.

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We looked horrible last night for a lot of different reasons, but one of the biggest was the matchup.

Texas' biggest strength -- its defensive front -- made our biggest weakness -- the offensive line -- look like a junior varsity unit.

The one good thing, if there is one, is we've played the two best defensive fronts we're going to play this season (Utah and Texas) and no one else will even come close to those.

If we can get Shapen back, I think people will be surprised by how competent we look offensively against the rest of our schedule. That won't guarantee wins because we have serious issues on defense as well, but unless we quit, we'll be more competitive than many here predict the rest of the way because the rest of this conference is so remarkably mediocre.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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Guy Morris was a better coach than Aranda. At least he recognized the importance of actually having an offensive line.

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It was cool when he made them pull an 18-wheeler one lap around Lake Cacaweewee…

You get them from Martinez. Start there. We don't need wins. We need a win.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Even with Shapen coming back, the OL won't be able to protect him much. I'm actually not sure who we can beat. I do think we get to 3 maybe 4 wins this season if things go well, but the bar could be lower.

Can someone talk me off this ledge?

Edit: if you were on record as someone who thought we could beat UT, please add an asterisk to your post so I can weigh your opinion accordingly.

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To be fair, 2 of Baylor's 3 losses have come to top ten teams in the AP poll that will be released today, and it's reasonably fair to assume that both of those teams will finish the season ranked (and possibly conference champions*). To drill further, Baylor looked okay vs the one with average recruiting and poor vs the one with elite recruiting, and that makes it difficult to assess where this team lies in the spectrum in terms of strength.

That being said, the Big 12 doesn't look like a gauntlet, so none of the remaining games should be penned in as auto losses - although the games @TCU and @KSU would potentially be the closest things to that. Baylor should have a solid shot at each of the other games, and that would make six wins possible but it's not clear how likely that will be. We will know more based on whether or not Baylor beats UCF.

*The third team that Baylor lost to currently is in the hunt for a conference title as well.

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OK Mrs. Grimes, which games do you think this team will beat in the B12, please provide names?

Very easy to prognosticate that we should be more competitive against lesser teams, but which B12 team is worse than us based on the eyeball test?

For the rest of the world, based on the eyeball test, this team just looks bad and out of its league playing any competently coached team with Power Conference players. The team played an unknown college team and still didn't even look like they were very good. And none of us are confident that If we played Texas State again that we've improved enoughto beat them.

Don't think anyone is doubting that we'll be more competitive against lesser competition, just don't see us winning many if any of those games.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Very easy to prognosticate that we should be more competitive against lesser teams, but which B12 team is worse than us based on the eyeball test?

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OkState, but they aren't on our schedule.

IowaSt, UH, Tech, Cincy, and WV are at worst our equal and at best within reach above us. Frankly, none of them are very good and are beatable with a performance similar to the first 55 minutes of the Utah game.

He is the one of 3 who can read defense.
He is the one of 3 who protects the ball.
He is the one of 3 who can rope it anywhere down field.
He is the one of 3 who can outrun edge rushers to the sideline.
He is the one of 3 who isn't injured.

And he's not 0-6 in his last starts for Baylor.
Heck yes it's a serious post. Watch Q4 again.

I'd start Shapen next week if he can go and RJ if not. RJ looks better than a hampered Sawyer.

Why is 6 wins suddenly seen as the standard for judging Aranda on success/failure?? Six wins at Baylor should be seen as a failure guys. Not all of us have low standards

Killing Floor said:

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He is the one of 3 who can read defense.
He is the one of 3 who protects the ball.
He is the one of 3 who can rope it anywhere down field.
He is the one of 3 who can outrun edge rushers to the sideline.
He is the one of 3 who isn't injured.

And he's not 0-6 in his last starts for Baylor.
Heck yes it's a serious post. Watch Q4 again.

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Your basis is the fourth quarter of a blow out loss playing against 3rd and 4th string?

Lol

We were not beating Texas. The talent disparity and intensity are on completely different levels. It was obvious from the first snap. Sark could have put up 50+ had he not toned down the offense in the late 3rd quarter for the rest of the game, or if Worthy wouldn't have developed the dropsies on punt returns.

We're not winning in Orlando, Manhattan or Fort Worth. Go ahead and save yourself some time and angst.

Luckily, Iowa St., Cincinnati, Houston, Texas Tech and WVU all have some pretty deep weaknesses and very capable of not showing up. Unfortunately, we are equally likely to not show up either. But those are potential wins and we're not winning all 5. Hopefully, Aranda and his staff won't have lost the entire team by that time. Most likely we'll finish 2-3 against that group to finish the season 3-9 or 4-8 if we got lucky and stole one to go 3-2 against that group.