So several years back I recall Scott Drew made some drastic change in the offense, might have been due to an injury or two, and it turned the season around. I know it's easier to do in basketball but there should be some offense the guys we have would flourish under. Arm strength at QB probably limits the spread but there are other variations we should be able to adapt to.

One variation I would utilize immediately is to not try to run up the gut on 4th and 3 against overpowering D lines. That's one for you., Basically, quit calling stupid plays.

Or jet sweeps out of your own end zone on 4th down.

Yep those too.

You guys sure you want Grimes fired? https://t.co/xqDOXaJgCY

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) October 3, 2023

guadalupeoso said:

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This may be a hot take, but I really don't think Grimes' play calling has been that bad this year. I think we just don't have the guys to execute on offense.

Recruiting and lack aggression in the transfer portal is what has put us in this position. I'll throw in lack of development in strength and conditioning as well. We just don't have the guys to push people around like we need for the wide zone to work. We also need a quarterback who can be decisive on rpo's. Gerry was not the most accurate qb and lacked touch on the deep ball, but he was a student of the game and a hard worker. Usually, he was able to make the right decision to either tuck and run or throw it. We don't have that in Richardson and it's yet to be seen if Shapen developed that over the summer.

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Not a hot take, just a mis take

Or maybe we just have a lots of younger players that require a little more time to develop and it is finally beginning to pay off. Maybe we could have gotten more transfers but maybe the coaches decided to recruit younger players who will bd around longer. They were thinking long term instead of short term. Some might call they an intelligent strategy. We shall see. But it will require some patience.

Aranda admitted during fall camp that he should have embraced the portal sooner.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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This may be a hot take, but I really don't think Grimes' play calling has been that bad this year. I think we just don't have the guys to execute on offense.

Recruiting and lack aggression in the transfer portal is what has put us in this position. I'll throw in lack of development in strength and conditioning as well. We just don't have the guys to push people around like we need for the wide zone to work. We also need a quarterback who can be decisive on rpo's. Gerry was not the most accurate qb and lacked touch on the deep ball, but he was a student of the game and a hard worker. Usually, he was able to make the right decision to either tuck and run or throw it. We don't have that in Richardson and it's yet to be seen if Shapen developed that over the summer.

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Not a hot take, just a mis take

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Idk that it was a "mis take." When the team executed the offensive gameplan on Saturday, we scored 29 unanswered and won. That was my whole point is that the losses this season about bad players (who very much surprised me this weekend and might be better than i'd thought!), not the offensive scheme.

Grimes play calling has not cost us any games this year. Execution and poor play is what has cost us, for which some of the blame can certainly be placed on the coaches. Saturday showed that. We finally executed, and we won.

Good point.

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. Well, at least he is able to admit mistakes and is not stubborn.

I think most teams like ours that are kind of in the middle of the pack power 5 wise, i.e. we have evidence that you can win here and compete at a very high level, but we're not necessarily a program that has ever been able to do that consistently, you have to embrace the portal. It's the only way you can build a roster that can compete for conference championships consistently. Otherwise we will be entirely reliant on development cycles, which takes 3-4 years. Fan bases don't want their teams trajectory to always be 2-10, 4-8, 9-3, then back to 3-9, etc. They would rather have, 8-4, 7-5, 9-3, etc.

In order for programs like us, TCU, Ok State, Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, etc (and I know that was a broad range of programs, but the middle class of college football is thick), we are going to have to use the portal heavily.

Does anyone know the Grimes prostitution story?

*satire* don't run with this as fact.

Agreed

Team over Coach!

I noticed Grimes was on the sidelines at UCF. Isn't he usually up in the booth? Or am I mistaken…

Brenticles42 said:

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I noticed Grimes was on the sidelines at UCF. Isn't he usually up in the booth? Or am I mistaken…

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No, I have always seem him on the sidelines, but that is from watching on TV.

guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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This may be a hot take, but I really don't think Grimes' play calling has been that bad this year. I think we just don't have the guys to execute on offense.

Recruiting and lack aggression in the transfer portal is what has put us in this position. I'll throw in lack of development in strength and conditioning as well. We just don't have the guys to push people around like we need for the wide zone to work. We also need a quarterback who can be decisive on rpo's. Gerry was not the most accurate qb and lacked touch on the deep ball, but he was a student of the game and a hard worker. Usually, he was able to make the right decision to either tuck and run or throw it. We don't have that in Richardson and it's yet to be seen if Shapen developed that over the summer.

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Not a hot take, just a mis take

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Idk that it was a "mis take." When the team executed the offensive gameplan on Saturday, we scored 29 unanswered and won. That was my whole point is that the losses this season about bad players (who very much surprised me this weekend and might be better than i'd thought!), not the offensive scheme.

Grimes play calling has not cost us any games this year. Execution and poor play is what has cost us, for which some of the blame can certainly be placed on the coaches. Saturday showed that. We finally executed, and we won.

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Disagree a bit, Grimes typical offense isn't a recipe for success with this team. Yes we beat UCF, just not even sure how good UCF is. And that the 2nd half comeback was awesome, yet if we're being honest we have to attribute much of it to a collapsed UCF D.

Clearly we're seeing improvements on our O and D, but it's very much unknown what that means for us vs the original B12 teams. We'll know more when we play TT. And if we lose, I suspect it'll be more of "poor execution" excuses and not the play calling here.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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This may be a hot take, but I really don't think Grimes' play calling has been that bad this year. I think we just don't have the guys to execute on offense.

Recruiting and lack aggression in the transfer portal is what has put us in this position. I'll throw in lack of development in strength and conditioning as well. We just don't have the guys to push people around like we need for the wide zone to work. We also need a quarterback who can be decisive on rpo's. Gerry was not the most accurate qb and lacked touch on the deep ball, but he was a student of the game and a hard worker. Usually, he was able to make the right decision to either tuck and run or throw it. We don't have that in Richardson and it's yet to be seen if Shapen developed that over the summer.

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Not a hot take, just a mis take

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Idk that it was a "mis take." When the team executed the offensive gameplan on Saturday, we scored 29 unanswered and won. That was my whole point is that the losses this season about bad players (who very much surprised me this weekend and might be better than i'd thought!), not the offensive scheme.

Grimes play calling has not cost us any games this year. Execution and poor play is what has cost us, for which some of the blame can certainly be placed on the coaches. Saturday showed that. We finally executed, and we won.

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Disagree a bit, Grimes typical offense isn't a recipe for success with this team. Yes we beat UCF, just not even sure how good UCF is. And that the 2nd half comeback was awesome, yet if we're being honest we have to attribute much of it to a collapsed UCF D.

Clearly we're seeing improvements on our O and D, but it's very much unknown what that means for us vs the original B12 teams. We'll know more when we play TT. And if we lose, I suspect it'll be more of "poor execution" excuses and not the play calling here.

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I think people think Grimes finally "opened up" the offense in the second half. Which he did. But I think he did that because he had a qb this game that was capable of making the throws and reads necessary to allow that latitude. What have we seen from Sawyer that says he would have been capable of running the offense as Shapen did in the second half of that game? We had a better qb out there, so that allowed us to run more of our offense. I don't feel like this should be a controversial topic? Briles was much more effective with Seth Russell than he was with Chris Johnson (although we did win a couple games with Chris Johnson). it's just the way it is.

I have not seen anything this season that says if we replaced Grimes, we would be 5-0 or 4-1 pr even 3-2. That's the only point I'm trying to make. Obviously, there is more than one issue at play here, and no one thing would totally change the season. But I just think offensive scheme and play-calling is low on the list of issues.

Not trying to be over critical of Sawyer because he is young and completely new to the system.

boykin_spaniel said:

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Against Utah and Texas State our defense frequently got to the QB or ball carrier and simply didn't make the tackle. Coaching, not dudes.

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If only CDA had told them to tackle to end the play...

Honestly, based on our statement, it sounds like the coaching/scheme was right on, but the dudes didn't fully execute because they simply didn't make the tackle.

If we had Alabama and Georgia's recruits Grimes' system would work fine. The problem is there's not many kids like that to make a system like this work. That's on Grimes and Aranda to make their system work with what they get or to get better recruits. So ultimately, it's still their fault the offense has been what it has.

At least Grimes showed signs that he does literally know how to coordinate a up tempo offense this past Saturday.

CizzLark said:

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If we had Alabama and Georgia's recruits Grimes' system would work fine. The problem is there's not many kids like that to make a system like this work. That's on Grimes and Aranda to make their system work with what they get or to get better recruits. So ultimately, it's still their fault the offense has been what it has.

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I remember back in the 90s the Mavericks hired an assistant coach from the Bulls staff so they could implement the triangle offense the Bulls were winning all of their Titles with.

Of course....it was a total flop in Dallas because they didn't have MJ, Pippen, Horace Grant...etc.

A lof schemes work well when you have the best players on the field.

guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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This may be a hot take, but I really don't think Grimes' play calling has been that bad this year. I think we just don't have the guys to execute on offense.

Recruiting and lack aggression in the transfer portal is what has put us in this position. I'll throw in lack of development in strength and conditioning as well. We just don't have the guys to push people around like we need for the wide zone to work. We also need a quarterback who can be decisive on rpo's. Gerry was not the most accurate qb and lacked touch on the deep ball, but he was a student of the game and a hard worker. Usually, he was able to make the right decision to either tuck and run or throw it. We don't have that in Richardson and it's yet to be seen if Shapen developed that over the summer.

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Not a hot take, just a mis take

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Idk that it was a "mis take." When the team executed the offensive gameplan on Saturday, we scored 29 unanswered and won. That was my whole point is that the losses this season about bad players (who very much surprised me this weekend and might be better than i'd thought!), not the offensive scheme.

Grimes play calling has not cost us any games this year. Execution and poor play is what has cost us, for which some of the blame can certainly be placed on the coaches. Saturday showed that. We finally executed, and we won.

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Disagree a bit, Grimes typical offense isn't a recipe for success with this team. Yes we beat UCF, just not even sure how good UCF is. And that the 2nd half comeback was awesome, yet if we're being honest we have to attribute much of it to a collapsed UCF D.

Clearly we're seeing improvements on our O and D, but it's very much unknown what that means for us vs the original B12 teams. We'll know more when we play TT. And if we lose, I suspect it'll be more of "poor execution" excuses and not the play calling here.

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I think people think Grimes finally "opened up" the offense in the second half. Which he did. But I think he did that because he had a qb this game that was capable of making the throws and reads necessary to allow that latitude. What have we seen from Sawyer that says he would have been capable of running the offense as Shapen did in the second half of that game? We had a better qb out there, so that allowed us to run more of our offense. I don't feel like this should be a controversial topic? Briles was much more effective with Seth Russell than he was with Chris Johnson (although we did win a couple games with Chris Johnson). it's just the way it is.

I have not seen anything this season that says if we replaced Grimes, we would be 5-0 or 4-1 pr even 3-2. That's the only point I'm trying to make. Obviously, there is more than one issue at play here, and no one thing would totally change the season. But I just think offensive scheme and play-calling is low on the list of issues.

Not trying to be over critical of Sawyer because he is young and completely new to the system.

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Since the game was not broadcast until 8 minutes left in the first half and Baylor down by 14, I cannot speak to our play, however I can look at our play calling after that, First scoring drive 9 pass plays and 3 run plays. Next drive 2 run plays before end of 1 st qtr , followed by 17 run plays and 4 pass plays before a grounding call moved us to a long FG [ NO POINTS ] Third quarter, 8 pass plays, 2 run plays with a FG. Next drive , 2 pass plays 1 run end of 3 rd quarter. fourth quarter same drive , 3 pass plays, 3 run plays TD pass for EX pt, next drive 5 pass plays 1 run play, TD Pass for ex pt. Next defense scores on fumble recovery. Last drive , two pass plays including 50 yd and 6 run plays FG to win. What happened to Grimes in 2 nd quarter ?

BEAR 45 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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This may be a hot take, but I really don't think Grimes' play calling has been that bad this year. I think we just don't have the guys to execute on offense.

Recruiting and lack aggression in the transfer portal is what has put us in this position. I'll throw in lack of development in strength and conditioning as well. We just don't have the guys to push people around like we need for the wide zone to work. We also need a quarterback who can be decisive on rpo's. Gerry was not the most accurate qb and lacked touch on the deep ball, but he was a student of the game and a hard worker. Usually, he was able to make the right decision to either tuck and run or throw it. We don't have that in Richardson and it's yet to be seen if Shapen developed that over the summer.

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Not a hot take, just a mis take

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Idk that it was a "mis take." When the team executed the offensive gameplan on Saturday, we scored 29 unanswered and won. That was my whole point is that the losses this season about bad players (who very much surprised me this weekend and might be better than i'd thought!), not the offensive scheme.

Grimes play calling has not cost us any games this year. Execution and poor play is what has cost us, for which some of the blame can certainly be placed on the coaches. Saturday showed that. We finally executed, and we won.

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Disagree a bit, Grimes typical offense isn't a recipe for success with this team. Yes we beat UCF, just not even sure how good UCF is. And that the 2nd half comeback was awesome, yet if we're being honest we have to attribute much of it to a collapsed UCF D.

Clearly we're seeing improvements on our O and D, but it's very much unknown what that means for us vs the original B12 teams. We'll know more when we play TT. And if we lose, I suspect it'll be more of "poor execution" excuses and not the play calling here.

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I think people think Grimes finally "opened up" the offense in the second half. Which he did. But I think he did that because he had a qb this game that was capable of making the throws and reads necessary to allow that latitude. What have we seen from Sawyer that says he would have been capable of running the offense as Shapen did in the second half of that game? We had a better qb out there, so that allowed us to run more of our offense. I don't feel like this should be a controversial topic? Briles was much more effective with Seth Russell than he was with Chris Johnson (although we did win a couple games with Chris Johnson). it's just the way it is.

I have not seen anything this season that says if we replaced Grimes, we would be 5-0 or 4-1 pr even 3-2. That's the only point I'm trying to make. Obviously, there is more than one issue at play here, and no one thing would totally change the season. But I just think offensive scheme and play-calling is low on the list of issues.

Not trying to be over critical of Sawyer because he is young and completely new to the system.

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Since the game was not broadcast until 8 minutes left in the first half and Baylor down by 14, I cannot speak to our play, however I can look at our play calling after that, First scoring drive 9 pass plays and 3 run plays. Next drive 2 run plays before end of 1 st qtr , followed by 17 run plays and 4 pass plays before a grounding call moved us to a long FG [ NO POINTS ] Third quarter, 8 pass plays, 2 run plays with a FG. Next drive , 2 pass plays 1 run end of 3 rd quarter. fourth quarter same drive , 3 pass plays, 3 run plays TD pass for EX pt, next drive 5 pass plays 1 run play, TD Pass for ex pt. Next defense scores on fumble recovery. Last drive , two pass plays including 50 yd and 6 run plays FG to win. What happened to Grimes in 2 nd quarter ?

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Sorry, 8 min left in first quarter

Tackling can be coached. Not leaving Texas State receivers wide open can be coached unless our DC is calling some horrendous plays. Better against UCF in coverage, but still got gashed on some big runs. The big runs have looked mostly like missed tackles and poor positioning.

BEAR 45 said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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guadalupeoso said:

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This may be a hot take, but I really don't think Grimes' play calling has been that bad this year. I think we just don't have the guys to execute on offense.

Recruiting and lack aggression in the transfer portal is what has put us in this position. I'll throw in lack of development in strength and conditioning as well. We just don't have the guys to push people around like we need for the wide zone to work. We also need a quarterback who can be decisive on rpo's. Gerry was not the most accurate qb and lacked touch on the deep ball, but he was a student of the game and a hard worker. Usually, he was able to make the right decision to either tuck and run or throw it. We don't have that in Richardson and it's yet to be seen if Shapen developed that over the summer.

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Not a hot take, just a mis take

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Idk that it was a "mis take." When the team executed the offensive gameplan on Saturday, we scored 29 unanswered and won. That was my whole point is that the losses this season about bad players (who very much surprised me this weekend and might be better than i'd thought!), not the offensive scheme.

Grimes play calling has not cost us any games this year. Execution and poor play is what has cost us, for which some of the blame can certainly be placed on the coaches. Saturday showed that. We finally executed, and we won.

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Disagree a bit, Grimes typical offense isn't a recipe for success with this team. Yes we beat UCF, just not even sure how good UCF is. And that the 2nd half comeback was awesome, yet if we're being honest we have to attribute much of it to a collapsed UCF D.

Clearly we're seeing improvements on our O and D, but it's very much unknown what that means for us vs the original B12 teams. We'll know more when we play TT. And if we lose, I suspect it'll be more of "poor execution" excuses and not the play calling here.

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I think people think Grimes finally "opened up" the offense in the second half. Which he did. But I think he did that because he had a qb this game that was capable of making the throws and reads necessary to allow that latitude. What have we seen from Sawyer that says he would have been capable of running the offense as Shapen did in the second half of that game? We had a better qb out there, so that allowed us to run more of our offense. I don't feel like this should be a controversial topic? Briles was much more effective with Seth Russell than he was with Chris Johnson (although we did win a couple games with Chris Johnson). it's just the way it is.

I have not seen anything this season that says if we replaced Grimes, we would be 5-0 or 4-1 pr even 3-2. That's the only point I'm trying to make. Obviously, there is more than one issue at play here, and no one thing would totally change the season. But I just think offensive scheme and play-calling is low on the list of issues.

Not trying to be over critical of Sawyer because he is young and completely new to the system.

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Since the game was not broadcast until 8 minutes left in the first half and Baylor down by 14, I cannot speak to our play, however I can look at our play calling after that, First scoring drive 9 pass plays and 3 run plays. Next drive 2 run plays before end of 1 st qtr , followed by 17 run plays and 4 pass plays before a grounding call moved us to a long FG [ NO POINTS ] Third quarter, 8 pass plays, 2 run plays with a FG. Next drive , 2 pass plays 1 run end of 3 rd quarter. fourth quarter same drive , 3 pass plays, 3 run plays TD pass for EX pt, next drive 5 pass plays 1 run play, TD Pass for ex pt. Next defense scores on fumble recovery. Last drive , two pass plays including 50 yd and 6 run plays FG to win. What happened to Grimes in 2 nd quarter ?

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Or his previous years. Play calling has been off his whole tenure.

Personally I think he opened it up because he was desperate and was forced to.

Hope he's smart enough to change, but honestly I suspect he'll revert back to garbage play management when we least need him to.

CizzLark said:

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If we had Alabama and Georgia's recruits Grimes' system would work fine. The problem is there's not many kids like that to make a system like this work. That's on Grimes and Aranda to make their system work with what they get or to get better recruits. So ultimately, it's still their fault the offense has been what it has.

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We didn't have their players in 2021, but we won a lot of games. it is absolutely their fault that they don't have the right players or better players. I'm not denying that. and maybe you fire grimes for bad recruiting. But he's been a broyles award finalist twice. I'm just not convinced that play-calling is our biggest issue.

For the 3rd or 4th time I've said this on this post, I'm not saying Grimes is perfect or that he can't improve. I'm just saying that I think our biggest issue has been talent and execution. You can place that blame wherever you want.

But if you think the solution is, "Fire Grimes and bring in some air raid guy," which seems to be a lot of folks on this thread, I disagree with that notion. Not that I'm against the air raid, if anyone even runs a true air raid anymore...

guadalupeoso said:

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CizzLark said:

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If we had Alabama and Georgia's recruits Grimes' system would work fine. The problem is there's not many kids like that to make a system like this work. That's on Grimes and Aranda to make their system work with what they get or to get better recruits. So ultimately, it's still their fault the offense has been what it has.

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We didn't have their players in 2021, but we won a lot of games. it is absolutely their fault that they don't have the right players or better players. I'm not denying that. and maybe you fire grimes for bad recruiting. But he's been a broyles award finalist twice. I'm just not convinced that play-calling is our biggest issue.

For the 3rd or 4th time I've said this on this post, I'm not saying Grimes is perfect or that he can't improve. I'm just saying that I think our biggest issue has been talent and execution. You can place that blame wherever you want.

But if you think the solution is, "Fire Grimes and bring in some air raid guy," which seems to be a lot of folks on this thread, I disagree with that notion. Not that I'm against the air raid, if anyone even runs a true air raid anymore...

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What I didn't put in my info was the fact that during that 17 run drive with no points, there were 11 in a row. We scored when we put the ball in the air almost twice as much as run. Is Grimes predictable ? we shall see, I plan on recording TT and see if he follows a similar pattern.

Brenticles42 said:

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I noticed Grimes was on the sidelines at UCF. Isn't he usually up in the booth? Or am I mistaken…

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His offense has been on the sidelines for the better part of 2 years now

i remember watching BYU with Zach Wilson a couple years ago and that offense w a good qb looked really good. I think Blake can make it good and the OL just needs to keep improving. The OL was staring to get it together for Reese the other day.

guadalupeoso said:

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But if you think the solution is, "Fire Grimes and bring in some air raid guy," which seems to be a lot of folks on this thread, I disagree with that notion. Not that I'm against the air raid, if anyone even runs a true air raid anymore...

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Yes, I think a few of us would be happy for Grimes to go at this point. Not that it matters, we're just nobodies commenting on a football board. But he has time to turn that sentiment around because it's not like he's going anywhere. We're stuck with him for better or worse.

As for the air raid (or maybe any spread offense is more accurate), I believe that if Grimes had gone that route originally, our O would be in better shape than we've been for the last year or more. I'd take a spread OC over Grimes in a minute. Which one? I really don't know, anyone with a proven record would suffice. Having said all that, I hope the team proves me wrong and does well under Grimes.

Watching Thursday night football J'Ville St versus MTSU and both run uptempo and often a spread formation. Some fast athletic WR's. If your reading this Coach Grimes, please watch and see what most teams run at all levels of college football.

boognish_bear said:

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You guys sure you want Grimes fired? https://t.co/xqDOXaJgCY

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) October 3, 2023

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I have a lot more respect for him after seeing this
This damn team irritates the crap out of me because we have some play makers!

guadalupeoso said:

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A good coach will scheme for the players he/she has.

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If your players are not good, it does not matter what scheme you run or how good of a coach you are. Otherwise, Bill Belichik would have a Super Bowl contender every year. But he doesn't. Because other teams also have good coaches and they have better players.

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not even sure Belichik's scheme was ever that good. It helps having the best qb of all time leading the team.