Agree. Briles and Teaff both inherited BU programs way behind the blue bloods (such as Texas). There essentially were no players coming out of high school then that would choose BU over Texas. However, I believe we were able to overcome this in time by taking players that Texas passed on, counting on our ability to evaluate talent better and develop talent better, and also motivate and coach at a high level. And it worked! However, it's even tougher now because of the portal. Now, Texas can recruit "already proven" players and there's less chance of them making the wrong choice (as even 5 star high school recruits sometimes don't work out, but rarely do you miss on recruiting a transfer player who has already been a top college player)

I really enjoyed this breakdown. It shows that there is strength in numbers, and that if enough alumni band together, we probably could do some real damage. Now granted, many alumni don't care at all about football, but plenty do. The numbers are encouraging. We are not as small and puny as some would have us believe.

What's to keep some superstar recruit from saying, "OK, I'll walk on, but you give me six figures plus what scholly funding would usually cost? Then you can burn a scholarship on a cheaper guy and we can hoard all the players like we've got 60 scholarships per year.

The funny thing about this thread is that we have a bunch of people yapping about NIL contributions who won't even pay $1 a month to support the primary Baylor fan site. (Yeah, that includes me too.)

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What's to keep some superstar recruit from saying, "OK, I'll walk on, but you give me six figures plus what scholly funding would usually cost? Then you can burn a scholarship on a cheaper guy and we can hoard all the players like we've got 60 scholarships per year.

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Guys wanting playing time. Alabama and Georgia lose blue chip recruits every year who aren't content to be third-string depth pieces. Why would anyone sign up to be a fifth-string scout teamer?

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

Think we have NIL problems. SoCal Trojans just lost a 5 Star offensive tackle Brandon Baker to the Longhorns. Significance, he played in SoCal's backyard. Chose Texas over Ohio State, USC, Nebraska and Oregon. WOW! Nike didn't have enough in the checkbook? Or maybe it was Brandon felt the SEC was far superior to the B10. Whatever, the only taxes he'll pay in Texas are Sales Tax and 1040. No you don't think? Taxes? Well who knew.

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

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So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.

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A&M's current enrollment (ie. students on their campus right now) is about 57,000. UT's is 52,000. So they generate more alumni than our total living alumni about every 15 years (4 graduation cycles).

That sure seems like a game we can win!!!

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I see your point but there are still finite limits on how many players will ever see the field just as there are still scholarship limits. I do wonder what the truth is about how much money is funneled to likely starters as well as how much to those never likely to play much based on initial evaluations.

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Think we have NIL problems. SoCal Trojans just lost a 5 Star offensive tackle Brandon Baker to the Longhorns. Significance, he played in SoCal's backyard. Chose Texas over Ohio State, USC, Nebraska and Oregon. WOW! Nike didn't have enough in the checkbook? Or maybe it was Brandon felt the SEC was far superior to the B10. Whatever, the only taxes he'll pay in Texas are Sales Tax and 1040. No you don't think? Taxes? Well who knew.

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All of that plus flying all over the country every week to play isn't going to help SoCal

bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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The funny thing about this thread is that we have a bunch of people yapping about NIL contributions who won't even pay $1 a month to support the primary Baylor fan site. (Yeah, that includes me too.)

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I am one of them. I would like to have a site that provides true content and not pander to the masses. I can give my opinion on her without paying for it. Never really see any truly groundbreaking info from this site, just a bunch of wildly wrong guessing.

Out of curiosity, does this site participate in NIL?

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to do the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

So if I had a $1,000 to burn, how would I contribute to Baylor's NIL program today? No one knows because they don't have a true system in place or they would be pushing it. They are standing around hoping that it goes away or that the government will step in.

This is like Baylor's mentality back in the 80s 90s, and 2000s of having the rule that no one gets paid more than the president of the university. That is why we got crappy coach after coach. Just like then it will be years before Baylor wakes up and smells the coffee. Baylor is ALWAYS behind the times.

Listen to Smokey's show yesterday. Mack is wishing NIL will just go away. He is lost and way in over his head!! Like my dad told me "S*** in one hand and wish in the other and see which fills up quicker!" Wake up Mack it ain't going away!!!

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So if I had a $1,000 to burn, how would I contribute to Baylor's NIL program today? No one knows because they don't have true system in place or they would be pushing it. They are standing around hoping that it goes away or that the government will step in.

This is like Baylor's mentality back in the 80s 90s, and 2000s of having the rule that no one gets paid more than the president of the university. That is why we got crappy coach after coach. Just like then it will be years before Baylor wakes up and smells like coffee. Baylor is ALWAYS behind the times.

Listen to Smokey's show yesterday. Mack is wishing NIL will just go away. He is lost and way in over his head!! Like my dad told me "S*** in one hand and wish in the other and see which fills up quicker!" Wake up Mack it ain't going away!!!

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https://nil.baylorbears.com/

This isn't as hard as you guys are making it. I found that link with one, 20-second Google search.

bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

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I agree with everything you say and 5 years ago I think you are dead-on. But, something has changed. Be it NIL, Superconferences, Realignment, or the Administration behind CDA. You may be right and NIL is not the problem. Than what is it?

Since Aranda has been a turn style of players, especially at QB. Defense has got worse, supposedly Aranda's forte, and we seem slow, fat & soft. Under both Briles and Rhule, we were not slow, fat or soft. The 21 team was not slow, fat or soft. What is the factor that changed or is forcing Aranda to change?
Logically, Dave Aranda is a high-quality person, a Coach a parent should feel good sending their kid, has a good pedigree, has won here and has excellent facilities. There should be no reason he can't recruit good enough players to be competitive in the B12.

How does K-State keep Howard for years sitting. How does TCU keep to competent QBs. How does Kansas keep two QBs. We are not alone, granted Ok St, Tech and us all seem to not be able to figure out the last several years. We act like B12 is stable, we can just stop now...

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

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I agree with everything you say and 5 years ago I think you are dead-on. But, something has changed. Be it NIL, Superconferences, Realignment, or the Administration behind CDA. You may be right and NIL is not the problem. Than what is it?

Since Aranda has been a turn style of players, especially at QB. Defense has got worse, supposedly Aranda's forte, and we seem slow, fat & soft. Under both Briles and Rhule, we were not slow, fat or soft. The 21 team was not slow, fat or soft. What is the factor that changed or is forcing Aranda to change?
Logically, Dave Aranda is a high-quality person, a Coach a parent should feel good sending their kid, has a good pedigree, has won here and has excellent facilities. There should be no reason he can't recruit good enough players to be competitive in the B12.

How does K-State keep Howard for years sitting. How does TCU keep to competent QBs. How does Kansas keep two QBs. We are not alone, granted Ok St, Tech and us all seem to not be able to figure out the last several years. We act like B12 is stable, we can just stop now...

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I think you answered your own question. We have a bad coach who is in over his head.

Our program looks like one with a bad coach who is in over his head. Fix that, and we'll have a chance to get back where we were before last season. Don't fix it, and we'll continue to suck regardless of how much money our NIL apparatus is generating.

bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

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I agree with everything you say and 5 years ago I think you are dead-on. But, something has changed. Be it NIL, Superconferences, Realignment, or the Administration behind CDA. You may be right and NIL is not the problem. Than what is it?

Since Aranda has been a turn style of players, especially at QB. Defense has got worse, supposedly Aranda's forte, and we seem slow, fat & soft. Under both Briles and Rhule, we were not slow, fat or soft. The 21 team was not slow, fat or soft. What is the factor that changed or is forcing Aranda to change?
Logically, Dave Aranda is a high-quality person, a Coach a parent should feel good sending their kid, has a good pedigree, has won here and has excellent facilities. There should be no reason he can't recruit good enough players to be competitive in the B12.

How does K-State keep Howard for years sitting. How does TCU keep to competent QBs. How does Kansas keep two QBs. We are not alone, granted Ok St, Tech and us all seem to not be able to figure out the last several years. We act like B12 is stable, we can just stop now...

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I think you answered your own question. We have a bad coach who is in over his head.

Our program looks like one with a bad coach who is in over his head. Fix that, and we'll have a chance to get back where we were before last season. Don't fix it, and we'll continue to suck regardless of how much money our NIL apparatus is generating.

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Sadly, you may be right. Too bad, I liked Dave Aranda and thought he was a breath of fresh air. But, he does not seem to be able to run a program.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

---

Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

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I agree with everything you say and 5 years ago I think you are dead-on. But, something has changed. Be it NIL, Superconferences, Realignment, or the Administration behind CDA. You may be right and NIL is not the problem. Than what is it?

Since Aranda has been a turn style of players, especially at QB. Defense has got worse, supposedly Aranda's forte, and we seem slow, fat & soft. Under both Briles and Rhule, we were not slow, fat or soft. The 21 team was not slow, fat or soft. What is the factor that changed or is forcing Aranda to change?
Logically, Dave Aranda is a high-quality person, a Coach a parent should feel good sending their kid, has a good pedigree, has won here and has excellent facilities. There should be no reason he can't recruit good enough players to be competitive in the B12.

How does K-State keep Howard for years sitting. How does TCU keep to competent QBs. How does Kansas keep two QBs. We are not alone, granted Ok St, Tech and us all seem to not be able to figure out the last several years. We act like B12 is stable, we can just stop now...

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I think you answered your own question. We have a bad coach who is in over his head.

Our program looks like one with a bad coach who is in over his head. Fix that, and we'll have a chance to get back where we were before last season. Don't fix it, and we'll continue to suck regardless of how much money our NIL apparatus is generating.

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Sadly, you may be right. Too bad, I liked Dave Aranda and thought he was a breath of fresh air. But, he does not seem to be able to run a program.

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I like Dave too. None of this is personal. I wanted him to be successful. Hell, I still want him to be successful.

But based on the mounting evidence, I've lost all hope in his ability to get us out of this tailspin and back on track as a program. I don't have any confidence in his ability to hire a staff, build a roster or organize a program -- all things that are kind of important for a college football coach.

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bear2be2 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

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I agree with everything you say and 5 years ago I think you are dead-on. But, something has changed. Be it NIL, Superconferences, Realignment, or the Administration behind CDA. You may be right and NIL is not the problem. Than what is it?

Since Aranda has been a turn style of players, especially at QB. Defense has got worse, supposedly Aranda's forte, and we seem slow, fat & soft. Under both Briles and Rhule, we were not slow, fat or soft. The 21 team was not slow, fat or soft. What is the factor that changed or is forcing Aranda to change?
Logically, Dave Aranda is a high-quality person, a Coach a parent should feel good sending their kid, has a good pedigree, has won here and has excellent facilities. There should be no reason he can't recruit good enough players to be competitive in the B12.

How does K-State keep Howard for years sitting. How does TCU keep to competent QBs. How does Kansas keep two QBs. We are not alone, granted Ok St, Tech and us all seem to not be able to figure out the last several years. We act like B12 is stable, we can just stop now...

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I think you answered your own question. We have a bad coach who is in over his head.

Our program looks like one with a bad coach who is in over his head. Fix that, and we'll have a chance to get back where we were before last season. Don't fix it, and we'll continue to suck regardless of how much money our NIL apparatus is generating.

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Sadly, you may be right. Too bad, I liked Dave Aranda and thought he was a breath of fresh air. But, he does not seem to be able to run a program.

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I like Dave too. None of this is personal. I wanted him to be successful. Hell, I still want him to be successful.

But based on the mounting evidence, I've lost all hope in his ability to get us out of this tailspin and back on track as a program. I don't have any confidence in his ability to hire a staff, build a roster or organize a program -- all things that are kind of important for a college football coach.

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We are on the same page. The only way out, I see, with his contract is to bring in a DC and Recruiting Coord and assign them. Not his choice. Maybe someone like Teaff or someone left over from Briles (still on the good side of Admin). Other programs have done that when they want a Coach to succeed but is overhead.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

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I agree with everything you say and 5 years ago I think you are dead-on. But, something has changed. Be it NIL, Superconferences, Realignment, or the Administration behind CDA. You may be right and NIL is not the problem. Than what is it?

Since Aranda has been a turn style of players, especially at QB. Defense has got worse, supposedly Aranda's forte, and we seem slow, fat & soft. Under both Briles and Rhule, we were not slow, fat or soft. The 21 team was not slow, fat or soft. What is the factor that changed or is forcing Aranda to change?
Logically, Dave Aranda is a high-quality person, a Coach a parent should feel good sending their kid, has a good pedigree, has won here and has excellent facilities. There should be no reason he can't recruit good enough players to be competitive in the B12.

How does K-State keep Howard for years sitting. How does TCU keep to competent QBs. How does Kansas keep two QBs. We are not alone, granted Ok St, Tech and us all seem to not be able to figure out the last several years. We act like B12 is stable, we can just stop now...

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I think you answered your own question. We have a bad coach who is in over his head.

Our program looks like one with a bad coach who is in over his head. Fix that, and we'll have a chance to get back where we were before last season. Don't fix it, and we'll continue to suck regardless of how much money our NIL apparatus is generating.

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Sadly, you may be right. Too bad, I liked Dave Aranda and thought he was a breath of fresh air. But, he does not seem to be able to run a program.

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I like Dave too. None of this is personal. I wanted him to be successful. Hell, I still want him to be successful.

But based on the mounting evidence, I've lost all hope in his ability to get us out of this tailspin and back on track as a program. I don't have any confidence in his ability to hire a staff, build a roster or organize a program -- all things that are kind of important for a college football coach.

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We are on the same page. The only way out, I see, with his contract is to bring in a DC and Recruiting Coord and assign them. Not his choice. Maybe someone like Teaff or someone left over from Briles (still on the good side of Admin). Other programs have done that when they want a Coach to succeed but is overhead.

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That's just masking the odor with aerosol spray, though. If your head coach needs to be babysat or micromanaged, you need a new head coach.

We're jumping through all these hoops trying to equip Aranda and create an environment for him to be successful while ignoring the common denominator -- a first-time head coach who simply doesn't look up to the job he's been hired for.

Outside of the 2021 season, we've looked like a poorly coached team and a poorly run organization. At some point, we have to ask ourselves which was the outlier -- the one good season or the three poor ones around it.

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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Disagree. Your view will take BU to G5. That is how G5 works. Maybe once every 7 years you have a team that can beat the P5.

But even if you develop players, the UTs will just buy them as Juniors. You are not developing All B12 talent and keeping it with no NIL, because we think it is stupid.

Try again. BU either develops a competitive NIL or it is game over. Whether you and your buddies like it or not.

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You guys better get your buckets ready to pass at the next game. I'm sure all 15,000 fans there will throw in some loose change.

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Than stop.predenting. Drop to G5, Sun Belt would take us. Stop acting like this is a big time program. At least if we go down, we can pick our landing spot.

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Or ... and hear me out ... we could stop *****ing about the way others spend their own money, recruit the best players we can, develop them in a coherent system and be competitive in a conference full of programs not all that unlike our own.

NIL is a crutch. And if Aranda wasn't failing to the basics of his job people wouldn't be talking as much about it as they are.

We're not losing because of NIL. We're losing because we have bad schemes we can't develop players for. We're losing because we're squandering top 35-40 classes -- the same types of classes Briles and Rhule built championship level teams with. We're losing because we've systematically made Baylor the least exciting destination in the Big 12.

Get a coach who can breathe some life back into this program, recruit and develop to a good system and get more out of the talent he's bringing to campus and no one will be whining about NIL anymore.

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I agree with everything you say and 5 years ago I think you are dead-on. But, something has changed. Be it NIL, Superconferences, Realignment, or the Administration behind CDA. You may be right and NIL is not the problem. Than what is it?

Since Aranda has been a turn style of players, especially at QB. Defense has got worse, supposedly Aranda's forte, and we seem slow, fat & soft. Under both Briles and Rhule, we were not slow, fat or soft. The 21 team was not slow, fat or soft. What is the factor that changed or is forcing Aranda to change?
Logically, Dave Aranda is a high-quality person, a Coach a parent should feel good sending their kid, has a good pedigree, has won here and has excellent facilities. There should be no reason he can't recruit good enough players to be competitive in the B12.

How does K-State keep Howard for years sitting. How does TCU keep to competent QBs. How does Kansas keep two QBs. We are not alone, granted Ok St, Tech and us all seem to not be able to figure out the last several years. We act like B12 is stable, we can just stop now...

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I think you answered your own question. We have a bad coach who is in over his head.

Our program looks like one with a bad coach who is in over his head. Fix that, and we'll have a chance to get back where we were before last season. Don't fix it, and we'll continue to suck regardless of how much money our NIL apparatus is generating.

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Sadly, you may be right. Too bad, I liked Dave Aranda and thought he was a breath of fresh air. But, he does not seem to be able to run a program.

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I like Dave too. None of this is personal. I wanted him to be successful. Hell, I still want him to be successful.

But based on the mounting evidence, I've lost all hope in his ability to get us out of this tailspin and back on track as a program. I don't have any confidence in his ability to hire a staff, build a roster or organize a program -- all things that are kind of important for a college football coach.

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We are on the same page. The only way out, I see, with his contract is to bring in a DC and Recruiting Coord and assign them. Not his choice. Maybe someone like Teaff or someone left over from Briles (still on the good side of Admin). Other programs have done that when they want a Coach to succeed but is overhead.

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That's just masking the odor with aerosol spray, though. If your head coach needs to be babysat or micromanaged, you need a new head coach.

We're jumping through all these hoops trying to equip Aranda and create an environment for him to be successful while ignoring the common denominator -- a first-time head coach who simply doesn't look up to the job he's been hired for.

Outside of the 2021 season, we've looked like a poorly coached team and a poorly run organization. At some point, we have to ask ourselves which was the outlier -- the one good season or the three poor ones around it.

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I agree. In an ideal situation, you fire and move on. However, you have a massive contract buy out that our AD tied BU to for the foreseeable future. So, other aerosol mitigation methods may be needed. Personally, I think Rhodes needs to be held accountable for putting us in this position in our most important sport.

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So if I had a $1,000 to burn, how would I contribute to Baylor's NIL program today? No one knows because they don't have true system in place or they would be pushing it. They are standing around hoping that it goes away or that the government will step in.

This is like Baylor's mentality back in the 80s 90s, and 2000s of having the rule that no one gets paid more than the president of the university. That is why we got crappy coach after coach. Just like then it will be years before Baylor wakes up and smells like coffee. Baylor is ALWAYS behind the times.

Listen to Smokey's show yesterday. Mack is wishing NIL will just go away. He is lost and way in over his head!! Like my dad told me "S*** in one hand and wish in the other and see which fills up quicker!" Wake up Mack it ain't going away!!!

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https://nil.baylorbears.com/

This isn't as hard as you guys are making it. I found that link with one, 20-second Google search.

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Yes and it doesn't look very seperate from Baylor. I'm not sure why it is taboo for someone from Baylor to discuss an NIL fund it's BMDs but it isnt for Baylor to reach out to small donors and say "hey give 50 or 200 or what you can to our NIl.

Pretty interesting website in case you're curious about what we're up against:

NIL Deal Tracker (on3.com)

Top Texas NIL Players (on3.com)

Top Baylor NIL Players (on3.com)

UT has two kickers with a larger NIL than any Baylor player.

Not that I think Novosad was as good as some think, but here's an example of deflation that can happen to a program. NIL

You are exactly right about NIL. People can talk all day about bringing in another coach but in the current environment without good NIL a new coach is not going to change things much.

If Baylor does not get good NIL program we will be a non competitive team, We will not be able to get or keep good players. New coach won't change this fact.

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

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Why do we act like it takes just a few super rich alumni?

Baylor had at least 180,000 alumni.

Just in Texas cities alone we have: Dallas-Fort Worth (~30,000 Bears). Just 90 miles up I-35 from Waco, the DFW metroplex takes the crown for the most Baylor alumni in a single metro area.
2. Houston (~15,100 Bears).
3. Waco (~14,500 Bears). Baylor's own city certainly has the biggest percentage of Bears nearly 9% of Wacoans are Baylor grads. That number has been steadily increasing over the past few years, as more and more BU graduates decide to stay and invest in Baylor's hometown.
4. Austin (~7,100 Bears). Just 90 miles south of Baylor, many Bears choose to settle in our state's capital
5. San Antonio (~5,200 Bears).
6. Tyler (~2,600 Bears). Compared to the first five cities on this list, Tyler may seem like a bit of a curveball. But many Bears have made the Rose Capital of the World their home after graduation, perhaps because it's comparable to Waco in size and pace.


So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.

If all of those 74,400 grads gave just $200 a year toward NIL that is $14.8 million dollars to spend on players.

Even half that amount would be $7.4 million...enough to do some good in the recruiting wars.

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I find myself asking the same questions. What percent of the 180,000 or however many have been asked to contribute to NIL? Oh but it's donor driven. You know, the 179'000 who haven't been told how to give (or asked) will dream up the idea and instructions during the night.

Maybe the majority here are the non problem solving, non business types.

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You are exactly right about NIL. People can talk all day about bringing in another coach but in the current environment without good NIL a new coach is not going to change things much.

If Baylor does not get good NIL program we will be a non competitive team, We will not be able to get or keep good players. New coach won't change this fact.

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This is what I have been saying since the TSU loss and the knives came out for Aranda. You plug someone new in and you will get the same results or worse if you dont emphasize NIL. Just like in the days when Baylor and Baylor folks said "our players dont need fancy facilities and our coaching staffs dont need to make much money, they should just love how special it is here". Blaming the coaches for the results and plugging a new one into that system did nothing except continue the decline further than what was thought possible. We are back at that point now unless Baylor's administration gets serious about NIL.

I know some will argue well Baylor cant be involved. Hell the donate to NIL for small dollar folks is right on the website. Dont tell me Baylor cant be involved. Every other P4 and G5 school is involved.

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

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Why do we act like it takes just a few super rich alumni?

Baylor had at least 180,000 alumni.

Just in Texas cities alone we have: Dallas-Fort Worth (~30,000 Bears). Just 90 miles up I-35 from Waco, the DFW metroplex takes the crown for the most Baylor alumni in a single metro area.
2. Houston (~15,100 Bears).
3. Waco (~14,500 Bears). Baylor's own city certainly has the biggest percentage of Bears nearly 9% of Wacoans are Baylor grads. That number has been steadily increasing over the past few years, as more and more BU graduates decide to stay and invest in Baylor's hometown.
4. Austin (~7,100 Bears). Just 90 miles south of Baylor, many Bears choose to settle in our state's capital
5. San Antonio (~5,200 Bears).
6. Tyler (~2,600 Bears). Compared to the first five cities on this list, Tyler may seem like a bit of a curveball. But many Bears have made the Rose Capital of the World their home after graduation, perhaps because it's comparable to Waco in size and pace.


So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.

If all of those 74,400 grads gave just $200 a year toward NIL that is $14.8 million dollars to spend on players.

Even half that amount would be $7.4 million...enough to do some good in the recruiting wars.

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I find myself asking the same questions. What percent of the 180,000 or however many have been asked to contribute to NIL? Oh but it's donor driven. You know, the 179'000 who haven't been told how to give (or asked) will dream up the idea and instructions during the night.

Maybe the majority here are the non problem solving, non business types.

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Yea they have not once called me or sent me an email about it.

And while my $200 a year donation to NIL would not make much difference....30,000 Baylor alumni giving $200 would make a hell of a difference.

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br53 said:

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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.

We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.

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Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else

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Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.

No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.

Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.

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I can't argue with any of your points… all well said. Based on the article and numbers, obviously, TX is much larger base to work from and roughly breaks it down to around $5,300 per entity. $15+ Mil is a LOT. With every point you made, all reasonable assumptions, I still feel there are enough BU alums to garner a good portion of that. Of course, w/o the right coach to lead it's a tougher hill to climb. Having the right individual/individuals in place to do so also. It's really perplexing.

I don't think we are honest about NIL money.

If I had a son who was D1level talent. 4*, any position, and he was offered more NIL money at Baylor than any other university. Would I trust this staff (especially offense) to develop him?

I wouldn't.

And if he were a QB? I'd tell my son we can't afford Baylor's NIL offer.

To me, that's what we need to fix.

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I don't think we are honest about NIL money.

If I had a son who was D1level talent. 4*, any position, and he was offered more NIL money at Baylor than any other university. Would I trust this staff (especially offense) to develop him?

I wouldn't.

And if he were a QB? I'd tell my son we can't afford Baylor's NIL offer.

To me, that's what we need to fix.

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Baylor has set up a QB nightmare. GB, Zeno, Drones, and Rogers leaving and losing Novosad on the last day has left a bad taste. I agree, if my son was a QB it would be tough to say go to Baylor.

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I don't think we are honest about NIL money.

If I had a son who was D1level talent. 4*, any position, and he was offered more NIL money at Baylor than any other university. Would I trust this staff (especially offense) to develop him?

I wouldn't.

And if he were a QB? I'd tell my son we can't afford Baylor's NIL offer.

To me, that's what we need to fix.

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Baylor has set up a QB nightmare. GB, Zeno, Drones, and Rogers leaving and losing Novosad on the last day has left a bad taste. I agree, if my son was a QB it would be tough to say go to Baylor.

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But admit it would be much easier if he was being paid a lot of money to go be a QB at Baylor. NIL is the key to recruiting now whether Baylor wants to admit it or whether some posters here want to acknowledge it.

This being obtuse about it is going to potentially put us into a hole that will take a decade and a half to climb out of again, which I'm in no mood at all to go through again, if we don't stop the bleeding now.

PartyBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I don't think we are honest about NIL money.

If I had a son who was D1level talent. 4*, any position, and he was offered more NIL money at Baylor than any other university. Would I trust this staff (especially offense) to develop him?

I wouldn't.

And if he were a QB? I'd tell my son we can't afford Baylor's NIL offer.

To me, that's what we need to fix.

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Baylor has set up a QB nightmare. GB, Zeno, Drones, and Rogers leaving and losing Novosad on the last day has left a bad taste. I agree, if my son was a QB it would be tough to say go to Baylor.

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But admit it would be much easier if he was being paid a lot of money to go be a QB at Baylor. NIL is the key to recruiting now whether Baylor wants to admit it or whether some posters here want to acknowledge it.

This being obtuse about it is going to potentially put us into a hole that will take a decade and a half to climb out of again, which I'm in no mood at all to go through again, if we don't stop the bleeding now.

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Oh yeah. If you knew that you had only 1 scholarship QB (that has not stayed healthy yet) and a top prospect committed. Pay the man. Do what it takes. I don't get it.

PartyBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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I don't think we are honest about NIL money.

If I had a son who was D1level talent. 4*, any position, and he was offered more NIL money at Baylor than any other university. Would I trust this staff (especially offense) to develop him?

I wouldn't.

And if he were a QB? I'd tell my son we can't afford Baylor's NIL offer.

To me, that's what we need to fix.

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Baylor has set up a QB nightmare. GB, Zeno, Drones, and Rogers leaving and losing Novosad on the last day has left a bad taste. I agree, if my son was a QB it would be tough to say go to Baylor.

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But admit it would be much easier if he was being paid a lot of money to go be a QB at Baylor. NIL is the key to recruiting now whether Baylor wants to admit it or whether some posters here want to acknowledge it.

This being obtuse about it is going to potentially put us into a hole that will take a decade and a half to climb out of again, which I'm in no mood at all to go through again, if we don't stop the bleeding now.

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I don't. As you know, DJ Lagway's dad played for us. If you and I won the lottery and offered $2M to him (he'd solve lots of our problems), I don't believe he'd come. You can't even guarantee with all accolades that he'd beat out the kid (Nate) from California.

Athletes want money but also want to play in big games and for championships. Money isn't the be all.