Vic Viloria sucks

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parch
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Considering we are weaker and less conditioned than we were when he started in 2021, I have no idea what value Viloria is actually bringing to this program. One of many staffing misses by Aranda, in my opinion. Consider...

He made his name with Jimbo's FSU teams, where it should be said they stacked top 10 classes year over year with world class athletes. It's hard to say how much he actually influenced that program given the wealth of resources around him - he's often been credited with the establishment of the GPS performance tracking, which they were first to do and that everyone uses now, but he had absolutely nothing to do with any of that and was a mere beneficiary of it. Which kind of sums up his time in Tallahassee.

It should be noted that Jimbo did not opt to bring Viloria with him to A&M and Willie Taggart did not retain him at FSU, perhaps had something do with a DUI arrest in 2016.

Then spent a throwaway year with SMU before going to LSU as, it should be said, a second in command to Tommy Moffitt, who's been there forever and is an established S&C legend. So Viloria didn't actually come anywhere close to running the program - Aranda just skimmed as high to the surface as he could based on his working relationship with him while they were both in Baton Rouge. All that hype and bluster about us getting "LSU's strength coach" was actually for the understudy.

I just don't get his value based on our trajectory. It's not like Kaz had a ton of top-line experience before he joined, but he at least understood what it was like to work with like 2 and 3-star athletes and build them from there, as opposed to maintaining entire rosters of the most elite athletes in the country as Viloria has done for his entire career.

Once again we missed on a critical hire that has badly degraded the fighting strength of our trenches and the explosiveness of our skill positions. It is particularly galling how badly we are beaten at the point of attack time and time again and how low energy our starting lineups are. We are juice-less.
GoodOleBaylorLine
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Yeah. I wonder it Melton would be willing to take over the whole s&c program

He is one of the best S&C coaches in the country.
guadalupeoso
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Agree. What a disappointment. Especially considering that's one area where we have been particularly blessed with the previous two regimes.
Rg6
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Something to consider is Dave's ability to attract staff. He is introverted, spent his whole career in an office drawing up X's and O's, and probably didn't socialize very much or develop a large network in the coaching ranks. Not to say you can't cold call and hire good coaches, but it is certainly easier if you already have a network. Additionally, Dave has obviously not developed a reputation where coaches are jumping out of their seats if he calls.
bear2be2
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Rg6 said:

Something to consider is Dave's ability to attract staff. He is introverted, spent his whole career in an office drawing up X's and O's, and probably didn't socialize very much or develop a large network in the coaching ranks. Not to say you can't cold call and hire good coaches, but it is certainly easier if you already have a network. Additionally, Dave has obviously not developed a reputation where coaches are jumping out of their seats if he calls.
These were all considerations to make before hiring a lifetime assistant to lead our program.
boykin_spaniel
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Prime made what looks like a great hire. Stanford guy who had all those running backs carrying heavy loads. I think we should pluck a young fiery guy or try to poach a guy from an established program on a similar level to us. Like Kentucky. They punch above their weight frequently. Open a checkbook and get a good one
Bear8084
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Another mystery because it looked like he made strides from 2020 to 2021. For exampleThe 2020 o-line was meh and then turned into a Conference Champion o-line strength-wise. But now, strength all around has dropped it seems. Some flashes here and there but nothing super consistent.
dstaylor57
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It's pretty obvious that the OL is slower and weaker than we've had in the recent past. Some of that may be inexperience, but a lot falls on the training program and lack of toughness. that falls ultimately on Aranda, who has to set the tone. There is a fine line between rough practices and limiting injuries, but if you want to be a competitive football team in the Power 4, you better put a priority on toughness rather than health. Otherwise you end up like a soft, weak patsy like 2023 Baylor. Time to hire a new S&C coach and re-institute the Oklahoma drills.
bear2be2
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dstaylor57 said:

It's pretty obvious that the OL is slower and weaker than we've had in the recent past. Some of that may be inexperience, but a lot falls on the training program and lack of toughness. that falls ultimately on Aranda, who has to set the tone. There is a fine line between rough practices and limiting injuries, but if you want to be a competitive football team in the Power 4, you better put a priority on toughness rather than health. Otherwise you end up like a soft, weak patsy like 2023 Baylor. Time to hire a new S&C coach and re-institute the Oklahoma drills.
I've been struck the last two years by how unphysical we are as a program. That's one thing I loved about Matt Rhule. You knew, once he got his program to a certain point in his process, that his teams were going to be physical and you knew they were going to be tough.

Our last two teams have been neither of those things.

How we have managed to hire the one soft defensive head coach on the planet is beyond me. Those two things should be completely incompatible.
Jacques Strap
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This is not a commentary on the S&C coaches. I have no basis to comment either way.

Friend who was in town for Meet the Bears a few weeks back commented to me that the team looked small this year compared to prior years when he saw them up close. This thread reminded about that conversation.
Stefano DiMera
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Well someone posted a chart few weeks ago with the weights of the OL of every team in conference. Us and Houston I believe we're at bottom of list.
Stefano DiMera
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Hopefully you aren't part of the 'Liberty Crew' who mocked the Oklahoma drills every chance they could and are not harkening for those days again.
boykin_spaniel
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Spurrier called out his team when they weren't giving it their all. One of his iconic interviews-

"I don't think we're gonna win any games this year. QBs couldn't hit the side of that practice facility. Receivers couldn't catch a cold in February. DBs got grass stains all over them because all they do is fall down. 2 or 3 of them every play. Kickers are like the army. Left, right, left, right. Maybe we oughta take a week off and start from scratch. Get some tough guys."

At some point Aranda has to call this team out for zombie walking. 2 farmers prayed for rain. One went out and tilled and planted his field. The other didn't. Which one got the rain?
Rg6
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bear2be2 said:

dstaylor57 said:

It's pretty obvious that the OL is slower and weaker than we've had in the recent past. Some of that may be inexperience, but a lot falls on the training program and lack of toughness. that falls ultimately on Aranda, who has to set the tone. There is a fine line between rough practices and limiting injuries, but if you want to be a competitive football team in the Power 4, you better put a priority on toughness rather than health. Otherwise you end up like a soft, weak patsy like 2023 Baylor. Time to hire a new S&C coach and re-institute the Oklahoma drills.
I've been struck the last two years by how unphysical we are as a program. That's one thing I loved about Matt Rhule. You knew, once he got his program to a certain point in his process, that his teams were going to be physical and you knew they were going to be tough.

Our last two teams have been neither of those things.

How we have managed to hire the one soft defensive head coach on the planet is beyond me. Those two things should be completely incompatible.

Teams are a reflection of their head coach.
Rhule is old school.
Aranda is old hat, new hat.
vanillabryce
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S&C coach may be the second most important coach. He's with them all year - and has contact with every unit. That's why there are S&Cs making 500k plus now.

Kaz was worth his weight in gold.

Why is our o line small? Because we recruit small guys or because we're not lifting right and eating right? I don't know.

But the evidence is hitting me every Saturday that our guys don't play fast and they do t play physical
ABC BEAR
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S&C of this years team is one thing that doesn't pass the eye test. It's still not as bad as our televised home opener many years ago when we had multiple cramping issues while the other team had none.

Getting called out for lack of conditioning by the broadcast crew is disheartening.
ABC BEAR
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If person over player is still a thing, does that mean our team being in shape for the game of life while being out of shape for the game of football is acceptable?
Robert Wilson
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Stefano DiMera said:

Well someone posted a chart few weeks ago with the weights of the OL of every team in conference. Us and Houston I believe we're at bottom of list.
Air Force's OL is small, too, but they're g-d good at what they do and for their scheme. Doesn't bother me for our OL to be smaller than most if they're mobile, physical, effective. But ours are not.
montypython
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Bear8084 said:

Another mystery because it looked like he made strides from 2020 to 2021. For exampleThe 2020 o-line was meh and then turned into a Conference Champion o-line strength-wise.

There is no mystery and we weren't conference champs because the OL made huge strides from a strength perspective.

2020 was Fedora and a new offense that the guys couldn't run.
2021 was grimes. OL and defense was littered with super seniors due to covid eligibility. Just about everyone came back from the 11-win 2019 team.
2022 - Lost much of our 2021 team. B12 figured out how to attack our G5 offense
2023 - Very few if any starters left from 2021 team. Backwards slide complete.


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