Grant Teaff: I Think Mack Rhoades Made the Right Decision & I Stand Behind Him

robby44 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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robby44 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee

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"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.

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Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

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His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.

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Sounds very Person over Playerish to me... but keep trying. So now we handing out participation awards. He coached 21 years, he should play some top teams during that time. Did he win the majority of those games or just get a pat on the back for trying. Im done commenting on this, your not going to change my opinion no matter how "foolish and idiotic" I am

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It wasn't me who called you idiotic and foolish. I don't even know who you are. Not trying to change your mind I'm just putting facts out here for some who may not know

Should play some top teams? My point was back then we played 3 real non conference teams not FCS teams.
Yeah whatever. Person over player my ass. That didn't apply to any team I played on
Well during my time playing '82-'86 we did play and beat a number of Top ranked teams we beat #5 Arkansas, eventual national champion BYU, #6 UT, #3 USC, #12 LSU, #11 SMU, #16 Arkansas

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Thanks for posting. We are contemporaries. Loved watching you play LB. I went to high school with Allen Rice also.

Thee University said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better in win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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As usual Robby speaks the truth due to experiences only a very select few can claim. He was there. He excelled. He is smart. He is honest.

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Yep. Loved that Baylor victory over LSU in the Liberty bowl. We shocked those boys.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.

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You are average long enough, you are average. Campbell and Teaff may have good admin skills, but they had middle of the road records. You are what your record says you are. Teaff is in HOF because of his AFCA work and a middling BU record. Teaff did alot of off the field stuff that got him in the HOF. Campbell is no HOF coach, even if he stays at ISU for 30 years and has a slightly higher than .500 record.

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You are obviously a simpleton. Dig into the details buddy.

SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.=

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You are obviously a simpleton. Dig into the details buddy.

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Just because some do not agree with your view, a typically homer view of your Coach being the best, does not make the opposing view wrong.

Outside of BU fan, very few would list Grant Teaff in the top 50 coaches, never mind a top coach. Those that know football would put his work for the coaching profession and FCA over his on the field accomplishments. There are few outside of Waco that think his work at Baylor was special, good coach but not great.

You are allowed to disagree and I won't call you names or insult you. It is what adults do...

Big12Bear said:

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Baylor PR is pulling out all the stops.

They also got Scott Drew to open his press conference prior to the Nicholls game talking about Aranda and patience.

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They are scrambling like hell purgatory to hopefully save any chance they may still have at half-full stadiums at home next season.

When they say it's not about the money......it's always about the money.

FLBear5630 said:

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SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.=

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You are obviously a simpleton. Dig into the details buddy.

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Just because some do not agree with your view, a typically homer view of your Coach being the best, does not make the opposing view wrong.

Outside of BU fan, very few would list Grant Teaff in the top 50 coaches, never mind a top coach. Those that know football would put his work for the coaching profession and FCA over his on the field accomplishments. There are few outside of Waco that think his work at Baylor was special, good coach but not great.

You are allowed to disagree and I won't call you names or insult you. It is what adults do...

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You obviously were not around during that time. He did more with less. You have to consider the context. Teaff was the equal of his peers (Royal, Broyles, Holtz, and Dooley). He made Baylor those schools equals when no one else could.


I guess you are young, but folks like you just look at the wins and losses without considering context. What he did at that time was remarkable. I am sure most coaches would consider Teaff one of the greatest. Just opening your eyes a bit.

SATXBear said:

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robby44 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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robby44 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee

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"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.

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Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

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His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.

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Sounds very Person over Playerish to me... but keep trying. So now we handing out participation awards. He coached 21 years, he should play some top teams during that time. Did he win the majority of those games or just get a pat on the back for trying. Im done commenting on this, your not going to change my opinion no matter how "foolish and idiotic" I am

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It wasn't me who called you idiotic and foolish. I don't even know who you are. Not trying to change your mind I'm just putting facts out here for some who may not know

Should play some top teams? My point was back then we played 3 real non conference teams not FCS teams.
Yeah whatever. Person over player my ass. That didn't apply to any team I played on
Well during my time playing '82-'86 we did play and beat a number of Top ranked teams we beat #5 Arkansas, eventual national champion BYU, #6 UT, #3 USC, #12 LSU, #11 SMU, #16 Arkansas

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Thanks for posting. We are contemporaries. Loved watching you play LB. I went to high school with Allen Rice also.

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Nice. Klein High?
Allen's brother Reginald is married to my cousin Rhoda
Their son Reggie played 2 years for Briles as a transfer walk on
Loved to watch Allen play but hated practicing against him and Alfred Anderson

SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.=

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You are obviously a simpleton. Dig into the details buddy.

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Just because some do not agree with your view, a typically homer view of your Coach being the best, does not make the opposing view wrong.

Outside of BU fan, very few would list Grant Teaff in the top 50 coaches, never mind a top coach. Those that know football would put his work for the coaching profession and FCA over his on the field accomplishments. There are few outside of Waco that think his work at Baylor was special, good coach but not great.

You are allowed to disagree and I won't call you names or insult you. It is what adults do...

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You obviously were not around during that time. He did more with less. You have to consider the context. Teaff was the equal of his peers (Royal, Broyles, Holtz, and Dooley). He made Baylor those schools equals when no one else could.


I guess you are young, but folks like you just look at the wins and losses without considering context. What he did at that time was remarkable. I am sure most coaches would consider Teaff one of the greatest. Just opening your eyes a bit.

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No, I was there in that time frame as I am 60. I remember Baylor, nobody feared facing Teaff. Not like Bowden, Bear, Switzer, Paterno, Johnson, Robinson and Schnellenberger. Bama, Penn St,, USC, Mich,ND and Oklahoma were the top teams. Later, Miami, FSU, Auburn, and even KState joined. NOBODY feared Teaff and Baylor. I remember an OU coach telling me they were pissed to have to face Baylor, it didn't help them in the polls. They wanted to face the higher ranked team, beating a higher ranked team helped in polls. That is a winner's attitude. At Baylor, we dread facing an hgher ranked team. Nobody cares about doing more with less, doing is what counts.

robby44 said:

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SATXBear said:

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robby44 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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robby44 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee

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"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.

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Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

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His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.

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Sounds very Person over Playerish to me... but keep trying. So now we handing out participation awards. He coached 21 years, he should play some top teams during that time. Did he win the majority of those games or just get a pat on the back for trying. Im done commenting on this, your not going to change my opinion no matter how "foolish and idiotic" I am

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It wasn't me who called you idiotic and foolish. I don't even know who you are. Not trying to change your mind I'm just putting facts out here for some who may not know

Should play some top teams? My point was back then we played 3 real non conference teams not FCS teams.
Yeah whatever. Person over player my ass. That didn't apply to any team I played on
Well during my time playing '82-'86 we did play and beat a number of Top ranked teams we beat #5 Arkansas, eventual national champion BYU, #6 UT, #3 USC, #12 LSU, #11 SMU, #16 Arkansas

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Thanks for posting. We are contemporaries. Loved watching you play LB. I went to high school with Allen Rice also.

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Nice. Klein High?
Allen's brother Reginald is married to my cousin Rhoda
Their son Reggie played 2 years for Briles as a transfer walk on
Loved to watch Allen play but hated practicing against him and Alfred Anderson

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Yep. Klein. I did not play footfall there, but knew Allen. My parents still live around there.

There's only one Baylor coach since 1955 who left the school with a better win percentage than Grant Teaff had, and that coach -- like every one since -- had a number of massive advantages over Teaff.

For Grant Teaff to not get his due credit on a Baylor message board of all places is odd to say the least.

FLBear5630 said:

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SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.=

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You are obviously a simpleton. Dig into the details buddy.

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Just because some do not agree with your view, a typically homer view of your Coach being the best, does not make the opposing view wrong.

Outside of BU fan, very few would list Grant Teaff in the top 50 coaches, never mind a top coach. Those that know football would put his work for the coaching profession and FCA over his on the field accomplishments. There are few outside of Waco that think his work at Baylor was special, good coach but not great.

You are allowed to disagree and I won't call you names or insult you. It is what adults do...

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You obviously were not around during that time. He did more with less. You have to consider the context. Teaff was the equal of his peers (Royal, Broyles, Holtz, and Dooley). He made Baylor those schools equals when no one else could.


I guess you are young, but folks like you just look at the wins and losses without considering context. What he did at that time was remarkable. I am sure most coaches would consider Teaff one of the greatest. Just opening your eyes a bit.

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No, I was there in that time frame as I am 60. I remember Baylor, nobody feared facing Teaff. Not like Bowden, Bear, Switzer, Paterno, Johnson, Robinson and Schnellenberger. Bama, Penn St,, USC, Mich,ND and Oklahoma were the top teams. Later, Miami, FSU, Auburn, and even KState joined. NOBODY feared Teaff and Baylor. I remember an OU coach telling me they were pissed to have to face Baylor, it didn't help them in the polls. They wanted to face the higher ranked team, beating a higher ranked team helped in polls. That is a winner's attitude. At Baylor, we dread facing an hgher ranked team. Nobody cares about doing more with less, doing is what counts.

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The SWC coaches probably feel differently. I consider Teaff in the Frank Beamer category. One of the great ones. Most would agree. Not sure if that means top 50 or top 100.


I think a lot of the blue bloods hated playing schools like Baylor because we were usually underrated and the game was going to be tougher than most people thought. I believe that can be said about Baylor during the Teaff and Briles eras.

SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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SATXBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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robby44 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.=

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You are obviously a simpleton. Dig into the details buddy.

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Just because some do not agree with your view, a typically homer view of your Coach being the best, does not make the opposing view wrong.

Outside of BU fan, very few would list Grant Teaff in the top 50 coaches, never mind a top coach. Those that know football would put his work for the coaching profession and FCA over his on the field accomplishments. There are few outside of Waco that think his work at Baylor was special, good coach but not great.

You are allowed to disagree and I won't call you names or insult you. It is what adults do...

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You obviously were not around during that time. He did more with less. You have to consider the context. Teaff was the equal of his peers (Royal, Broyles, Holtz, and Dooley). He made Baylor those schools equals when no one else could.


I guess you are young, but folks like you just look at the wins and losses without considering context. What he did at that time was remarkable. I am sure most coaches would consider Teaff one of the greatest. Just opening your eyes a bit.

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No, I was there in that time frame as I am 60. I remember Baylor, nobody feared facing Teaff. Not like Bowden, Bear, Switzer, Paterno, Johnson, Robinson and Schnellenberger. Bama, Penn St,, USC, Mich,ND and Oklahoma were the top teams. Later, Miami, FSU, Auburn, and even KState joined. NOBODY feared Teaff and Baylor. I remember an OU coach telling me they were pissed to have to face Baylor, it didn't help them in the polls. They wanted to face the higher ranked team, beating a higher ranked team helped in polls. That is a winner's attitude. At Baylor, we dread facing an hgher ranked team. Nobody cares about doing more with less, doing is what counts.

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The SWC coaches probably feel differently.

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I know Barry Switzer respected him because he told me that when I let him know I committed to Baylor

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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.

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You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

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Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU

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Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.=

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You are obviously a simpleton. Dig into the details buddy.

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Just because some do not agree with your view, a typically homer view of your Coach being the best, does not make the opposing view wrong.

Outside of BU fan, very few would list Grant Teaff in the top 50 coaches, never mind a top coach. Those that know football would put his work for the coaching profession and FCA over his on the field accomplishments. There are few outside of Waco that think his work at Baylor was special, good coach but not great.

You are allowed to disagree and I won't call you names or insult you. It is what adults do...

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You obviously were not around during that time. He did more with less. You have to consider the context. Teaff was the equal of his peers (Royal, Broyles, Holtz, and Dooley). He made Baylor those schools equals when no one else could.


I guess you are young, but folks like you just look at the wins and losses without considering context. What he did at that time was remarkable. I am sure most coaches would consider Teaff one of the greatest. Just opening your eyes a bit.

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No, I was there in that time frame as I am 60. I remember Baylor, nobody feared facing Teaff. Not like Bowden, Bear, Switzer, Paterno, Johnson, Robinson and Schnellenberger. Bama, Penn St,, USC, Mich,ND and Oklahoma were the top teams. Later, Miami, FSU, Auburn, and even KState joined. NOBODY feared Teaff and Baylor. I remember an OU coach telling me they were pissed to have to face Baylor, it didn't help them in the polls. They wanted to face the higher ranked team, beating a higher ranked team helped in polls. That is a winner's attitude. At Baylor, we dread facing an hgher ranked team. Nobody cares about doing more with less, doing is what counts.

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The SWC coaches probably feel differently.

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I know Barry Switzer respected him because he told me that when I let him know I committed to Baylor

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Who said he wasn't respected? He is a great man and a very good coach. He gave his life to the coaching profession. Never said he didn't deserve respect. I said his HOF stature is based more on his contributions to the College Football coaching profession and the game than winning on the field.
I like Coach Teaff, nice guy and meant alot to football. That doesn't mean his winning record at BU is HOF worthy by itself.