Is that if it were used today, I can think of eight teams that could legitimately win a championship. Throw in Liberty for their season and you have 9. The other three teams would always be filler, and there will never be a great argument about Missouri getting in over Penn State.

In short, they should have just gone to eight.

Whoever gets to play Florida State will hang 70 points on them. The 12 team format allows the CFP to select teams for their media draw as well as conference winners. But in absolute sincerity any of the top 3 SEC East and SEC West teams would make short work of Washington too. The 12 team format won't be perfect but it will be better than the nonsense we have now where clearly better teams miss out because of conference.

The 12 team format allows leagues that are really good one year to get 2 or 3 teams in. Committee can still stick Ohio St and FSU in but everyone knows FSU would probably lose to every team in the top 10 at this moment. Mizzou or Oregon could get a shot to prove it with 12 teams.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Is that if it were used today, I can think of eight teams that could legitimately win a championship. Throw in Liberty for their season and you have 9. The other three teams would always be filler, and there will never be a great argument about Missouri getting in over Penn State.

In short, they should have just gone to eight.

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The more, the better.

Get to 24 or 32 teams and do away with bowl games, which truly are worthless.

When the playoff is the only postseason, no one whines about too many teams getting in. The best teams beat the teams in front of them and advance.

Killing Floor said:

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Whoever gets to play Florida State will hang 70 points on them. The 12 team format allows the CFP to select teams for their media draw as well as conference winners. But in absolute sincerity any of the top 3 SEC East and SEC West teams would make short work of Washington too. The 12 team format won't be perfect but it will be better than the nonsense we have now where clearly better teams miss out because of conference.

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What???

Florida State has a top-10 defense. They held the No. 1 offense in the country (LSU) to 24 points. They may get shut out, but ain't nobody hanging 70 on them.

Did you miss the part where FSU destroyed LSU… what a dumbass take
Didn't you also claim Colorado was going to destroy Oregon after their 3-0 start? Lay off the bath salts

Florida State won because that clown shoe quarterback from Louisville let hitting linemen in the helmet with the ball. Did you watch?

Did you watch?!!! Their defense shut down a very good Louisville offense.
Also that "Clown shoe" whatever the **** that is QB threw for 3k and 20 plus TDs

IowaBear said:

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Did you watch?!!! Their defense shut down a very good Louisville offense.
Also that "Clown shoe" whatever the **** that is QB threw for 3k and 20 plus TDs

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I had a migraine and didn't finish the second half, but the first half was absolutely dominated by the defenses. Teams were struggling to get first downs, much less put scoring drives together.

People can say what they want about their quarterback situation, but Florida State's defense is legit.

IowaBear said:

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Did you watch?!!! Their defense shut down a very good Louisville offense.
Also that "Clown shoe" whatever the **** that is QB threw for 3k and 20 plus TDs

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He is still drunk from drinking through all the football yesterday. Don't mind him.

I was replying to Killing floor.
He clearly didn't actually watch the game. FSU played smart they didn't put their freshman QB in position to make a crushing mistake. Relied on the D to win

IowaBear said:

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I was replying to Killing floor.
He clearly didn't actually watch the game.

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I know. I was agreeing with you.

Funniest part is hanging 70 on them. Yet next weeks heisman trophy winner who plays on a team with 3 future NDL wideouts only mustered 21 against them

I watched all 60 minutes. It was horrible. It was dominated by mistakes and drops. Horrible. But we'll see how "good" they are in a few weeks.

Killing Floor said:

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I watched all 60 minutes. It was horrible. It was dominated by mistakes and drops. Horrible. But we'll see how "good" they are in a few weeks.

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The game will probably look like Michigan-Iowa if the freshman has to start at QB. But there is no way in hell anyone hangs 70 on them, which is what you said and continue to double down on.

Florida State's defense is really damn good.

They've won 19 straight!! What more evidence do you need that FSU is a good team? I'll wager you ANY amount of $$ they don't get 70 hung on them.. put your $$ where your mouth is

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Is that if it were used today, I can think of eight teams that could legitimately win a championship. Throw in Liberty for their season and you have 9. The other three teams would always be filler, and there will never be a great argument about Missouri getting in over Penn State.

In short, they should have just gone to eight.

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So going to 12 isn't inclusive enough so it should be 8?? This board has a lot of weird thinking for sure. I'm looking forward to the 12 team play off.

Btw Liberty isn't a team that could win a national title if given the opportunity to play for it. They were dead last in strength of schedule among all Div 1 programs. This is why I think 2 loss SMU gets the G5 champ slot for NY6.

boykin_spaniel said:

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The 12 team format allows leagues that are really good one year to get 2 or 3 teams in. Committee can still stick Ohio St and FSU in but everyone knows FSU would probably lose to every team in the top 10 at this moment. Mizzou or Oregon could get a shot to prove it with 12 teams.

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B1G and SEC will get four each, minimum, in short order. Everyone else will be vying for the final 3-4 spots (or auto-qualifiers). Two and three-loss teams from these two conferences will get in regularly over all others.

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Is that if it were used today, I can think of eight teams that could legitimately win a championship. Throw in Liberty for their season and you have 9. The other three teams would always be filler, and there will never be a great argument about Missouri getting in over Penn State.

In short, they should have just gone to eight.

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So going to 12 isn't inclusive enough so it should be 8?? This board has a lot of weird thinking for sure. I'm looking forward to the 12 team play off.

Btw Liberty isn't a team that could win a national title if given the opportunity to play for it. They were dead last in strength of schedule among all Div 1 programs. This is why I think 2 loss SMU gets the G5 champ slot for NY6.

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That's fine. I don't care about that as much. I was just throwing in Liberty because they're undefeated. I'm really just talking about having a fierce debate over Mizzou or Penn State or Ole Miss, none of which would win a championship this year under any circumstance.

The 12 team model is just more of the same beauty pageant bull shyt.

6 highest ranked conference teams.

6 Next ranked teams.

All rankings are biased and error prone. That's why none of the major sports use such a silly system.

Nobody was hanging 70 on them. They have the best combo of D line and secondary in cfb. They would have broken with their hobbled offense but nobody was scoring 40 on them much less 70. They probably would have lost in a grinder but none of these teams would have hung huge numbers on them.

Killing Floor said:

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Whoever gets to play Florida State will hang 70 points on them. The 12 team format allows the CFP to select teams for their media draw as well as conference winners. But in absolute sincerity any of the top 3 SEC East and SEC West teams would make short work of Washington too. The 12 team format won't be perfect but it will be better than the nonsense we have now where clearly better teams miss out because of conference.

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What? Just say you didn't watch FSU this year. Im they have an elite defense. What I don't like is they have a whole month to prep their back up QB for the playoffs. Leaving them out for that reason is a weak argument. Ohio state once won a National Championship with their 3rd string QB. Committee just proves they don't have the balls to leave the SEC out. FSU beat 2 of the big name SEC teams and still got left out

You guys really think this 12 team model will last more than 4-5 years?

I don't.

Power 2 will realize they can make more money selling a playoff between their big brands and not have to share with what they consider to be the Division I-AA brands (Big 12, ACC) or the Division II brands (all tthe G5 schools). They''ll form their own 4 team (or how many they choose) playoff that will yield higher $ per school than a 12-team field they're sharing with others. The committee sent you the message loud and clear as to what it believes TV execs and college football fans ultimately want to see.

1. B1G
2. Future B1G
3. Future SEC
4. SEC

= Power 2


I know one person who sees it -- Brett Yormark. Which is why he keeps courting Gonzaga and UConn on the side because he knows the way the Big 12 will make incremental income in the future is by locking down the best basketball brands available. Correct, the basketball contract is nowhere near the football contracts. But in a game of chess it blocks the P2's ability to control BOTH football and basketball.

With the expanded leagues perhaps. Granted a computer or some sorta math gymnastics is going to be picking conference championship games half the time moving forward. Not sure how that's going to effect things

Killing Floor said:

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Whoever gets to play Florida State will hang 70 points on them. The 12 team format allows the CFP to select teams for their media draw as well as conference winners. But in absolute sincerity any of the top 3 SEC East and SEC West teams would make short work of Washington too. The 12 team format won't be perfect but it will be better than the nonsense we have now where clearly better teams miss out because of conference.

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You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, as usual. LSU is in the top 3 of the West, and Florida State blew their doors off. Ole Miss won at Tulane because Tulane's starting quarterback was hurt. Missouri needed a miracle 61 yard field goal to beat Kansas State, at home. I guess Tennesee would be the other team, and nobody is scared of them this year.

Every time you post it is nonsense akin S-E-C, S-E-C. Washington would easily handle every SEC team outside of Georgia and Alabama, and they would have a good chance against both of them. Why are you here instead of an SEC fan board?

The SEC and BIG will each get 4 slots, Notre Dame will get 2 slots and everyone else will fight over 2.

BUAL said:

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The SEC and BIG will each get 4 slots, Notre Dame will get 2 slots and everyone else will fight over 2.

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Irish Varsity & Irish JV?
Or a double Irish Whiskey straight?

8 would have been a terrible idea.

The more teams, the better.

24 team model. 8 highest rated get first round bye while other 16 play. 2nd round of 16. Then 8, 4 and down to two teams .

My only complaint with 12 teams is that it gives 4 teams a bye. Whoever plays an extra game will have a distinct disadvantage IMO. Also, the top 4 will likely be SEC and B1G going forward, which will give them even more of an advantage.

Even with 12 the top 4 (and we can be pretty sure where they'll come from) is a still a big deal.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Is that if it were used today, I can think of eight teams that could legitimately win a championship. Throw in Liberty for their season and you have 9. The other three teams would always be filler, and there will never be a great argument about Missouri getting in over Penn State.

In short, they should have just gone to eight.

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I would have preferred 6 but 8 would have been better than 12...

LagunaBear said:

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My only complaint with 12 teams is that it gives 4 teams a bye. Whoever plays an extra game will have a distinct disadvantage IMO. Also, the top 4 will likely be SEC and B1G going forward, which will give them even more of an advantage.

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Your concerns are real. The sec created the BCS and only agreed to the 4 team invitationals with the understanding they would get 2 teams in most years. It's all run by esecpn and the sec.

LagunaBear said:

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My only complaint with 12 teams is that it gives 4 teams a bye. Whoever plays an extra game will have a distinct disadvantage IMO. Also, the top 4 will likely be SEC and B1G going forward, which will give them even more of an advantage.

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That's the point. Teams with 4* recruits on their 3rd string and regularly blowout teams in the first half (and thus can put in 3rd and 4th string players regularly) are at a massive advantage either way, but giving them a bye more or less guarantees the mid-tier P5s in recruiting won't stand a chance at winning a national title due to depth and experience limitations.