Shawn Bell has given his heart and soul to Baylor. I appreciate his many contributions and wish him well!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35121610/sources-texas-state-fires-jake-spavital-4-seasons

For all of the Spavital cheerleaders here, this is our reality.

bear2be2 said:

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RightRevBear said:

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Would you hire them away? That is the only way they are leaving.

I mean Dave isn't going to fire them. He only fires coordinators to save his job.

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That's my point. The offensive staff got scapegoated, and every member except for the running backs coach found a good job instantly. The defensive staff remains intact with a bunch of scrubs nobody wants.

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Yeah but Aranda is taking over the defense. He'll have them so motivated that they'll be top 25. Just watch. I'm ready to run through a brick wall after watching him on the sideline.

It seems like being a college football coach is the most lucrative profession in the world when it comes to "failing up".

I can not point to a single thing Bell did as the QBs coach that would qualify as success.

As far as the TEs are concerned, we have not had a legit difference maker at that position under his leadership, and whatever success we have had recently is due to the fact that Grimes system features TEs.

I don't wish him ill, but certainly we can upgrade that spot with an incredibly well connected, young TXHS coach to help with recruiting that side of the ball.

bear2be2 said:

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Russell Gym said:

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Bell is a former Baylor quarterback and #txhsfb coach who joined Matt Rhule’s initial staff in 2017. He was moved down from QBs to TEs coach this off-season.

With the decision, four of five offensive coaches are gone from Baylor’s 2023 staff. https://t.co/6IQ8JR6VNB

— Shehan Jeyarajah (@ShehanJeyarajah) December 17, 2023

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And the entire staff from our 107th-ranked defense remains intact.

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This. Our HC just turned over his defensive staff last year, and it was a miserable failure. Surely, we'd be trying to clean up that mess if we weren't busy scapegoating the offensive staff (which also did a poor job).

5 coordinators all-in on both sides in 5 years ... and retaining 1 we probably shouldn't keep ... failure in hiring / management / development of staff here is epic.

Not every good coordinator makes a good head coach. Should be a pretty obvious statement to a certain fan base…

No Quarterback said:

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Thank goodness. I'm sure he's a good guy, but there's no way we can't do better. Maybe go out and hire the best high school coach we can find to take that TE coach spot

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Why would a top tier HS coach leave his spot to come to Baylor now? If this was Aranda's first year and he is filling out his staff, sure… any coach that comes here now could be out of a job next season.

BaylorB254 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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Thank goodness. I'm sure he's a good guy, but there's no way we can't do better. Maybe go out and hire the best high school coach we can find to take that TE coach spot

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Why would a top tier HS coach leave his spot to come to Baylor now? If this was Aranda's first year and he is filling out his staff, sure… any coach that comes here now could be out of a job next season.

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Two things: (1) Being on staff at Baylor would play much more than they would make as a HC in high school - even a good high school and (2) their contract would probably be a 3 year contract with guarantees that would ensure that if they were fired after year 1, they would be exponentially better off than had they stayed as a HC in high school.

I'm so encouraged by this news. I have nothing personal against Shawn Bell; have never even met him. I starred Amarillobear's post up there. What encourages me is the possibility that our football infrastructure isn't insisting anymore on hanging on for dear life to past moments (the win over A & M, in this case) that were great when they happened but cannot be allowed to continue to hobble the greater good. And yes, I'll even include the Briles years in that. Our HC, regardless of his struggles, did the right thing in turning over QB coaching to the new OC.

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PartyBear said:

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PartyBear said:

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I can't vouch for the Bell situation but I'm pretty's sure everyone else who has left thus far has been asked to leave.

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And Mateos had another P4 OL coaching job within days, and Grimes got a new OC job with a better head coach within a week or two.

It's almost like these guys aren't bad coaches. They were just working for one.

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I don't think the ones we have hired this far are bad.

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I'd agree on Spavital. And I think we traded up at the RB coach spot. But I'm not sold at all on this OL coach. He was pretty much a disaster at Michigan State.

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So why is he not getting the benefit of the doubt, when Grimes, Mateo, and Bell were wronged by a bad HC? This guy didn't get screwed by the Mel Tucker fiasco? The new guys coming in we aren't sold on yet the historic **** pile of an Offense Grimes ran out there wasn't their fault??

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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I can't vouch for the Bell situation but I'm pretty's sure everyone else who has left thus far has been asked to leave.

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And Mateos had another P4 OL coaching job within days, and Grimes got a new OC job with a better head coach within a week or two.

It's almost like these guys aren't bad coaches. They were just working for one.

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I don't think the ones we have hired this far are bad.

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I'd agree on Spavital. And I think we traded up at the RB coach spot. But I'm not sold at all on this OL coach. He was pretty much a disaster at Michigan State.

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So why is he not getting the benefit of the doubt, when Grimes, Mateo, and Bell were wronged by a bad HC? This guy didn't get screwed by the Mel Tucker fiasco? The new guys coming in we aren't sold on yet the historic **** pile of an Offense Grimes ran out there wasn't their fault??

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Grimes and Mateos had one bad year. Kapilovic's teams have topped 4.1 yards per carry once in his last five years (spanning two programs), finishing with less than 4.0 ypc three times and less than 3.0 ypc carry twice.

As a fan who values a competent run game, that is deeply concerning.

BaylorB254 said:

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No Quarterback said:

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Thank goodness. I'm sure he's a good guy, but there's no way we can't do better. Maybe go out and hire the best high school coach we can find to take that TE coach spot

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Why would a top tier HS coach leave his spot to come to Baylor now? If this was Aranda's first year and he is filling out his staff, sure… any coach that comes here now could be out of a job next season.

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Because people tend to like money, and we're clearly willing to pay very well, otherwise we would not have bought out Spavital's contract as well as the SMU running back coach. How much does a high school coach make? I just looked it up, and the top high school coaches typically make around 100kish. I would bet we were paying Sean Bell 3X that at least